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It's also worth noting that BB is batting 1.000 (3 for 3) in the last 9 months when it comes to signing highly coveted UDFA/young FA talents:

- May 2012: Pats sign Brandon Bolden, who is coveted by several teams. At one point there were reports that Washington had actually signed Bolden.

- August 2012: Pats sign Jeff Demps, fresh off his Olympic Silver medal, with a number of teams in the hunt.

- Junuary 2013: Pats sign Armond Armstead, again with multiple teams reportedly in the hunt.

Collectively, that's a fair amount of cheap young talent, without a draft pick or trade. It's a good sign that BB is obviously able to convince these guys to sign with the Pats over other teams.
While not as highly coveted as the above, the New England Patriots signed right offensive tackle Markus Zusevics from the University of Iowa. If not for a torn pectoral suffered at the NFL Scouting Combine, Markus Zusevics would have most likely been selected in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Where Zusevics future with the New England Patriots remains uncertain, it would not surprise me if Zusevics is viewed as the future long term replacement to Dan Connolly at the right guard position. It's not the first time the New England Patriots converted a collegiate offensive tackle to an offensive guard.
 
While not as highly coveted as the above, the New England Patriots signed right offensive tackle Markus Zusevics from the University of Iowa. If not for a torn pectoral suffered at the NFL Scouting Combine, Markus Zusevics would have most likely been selected in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Where Zusevics future with the New England Patriots remains uncertain, it would not surprise me if Zusevics is viewed as the future long term replacement to Dan Connolly at the right guard position. It's not the first time the New England Patriots converted a collegiate offensive tackle to an offensive guard.

We have an astounding number of players who have been in the league 3 years or less. A total of 30. That should make next season's 53. Throw in another 5 or so from this coming spring's draft. Very young team.

QB - 1 - Mallett
RB - 4 - Ridley Vereen, Bolden and Demps
TE - 3 - Gronk, Hernandez and Ballard
WR - 0 - None. Though I hope we draft one in Rounds 1-3.
OL - 4 - Solder, Cannon, Zusevics and N. McDonald
DL - 8 - C. Jones, J.Francis, J.Bequette, J. Cunningham, K.Love, B. Deaderick and
A. Armstead
LB - 3 - B. Spikes, D.Hightower and D. Fletcher
DB - 5 - D. McCourty, A. Dennard, Ras Dowling, T. Wilson, N. Ebner
P - 2 - Z. Mesko and D.Aiken
 
B-O-W-E.

That is all.

Not very likely, unless he wants to play for Brandon Lloyd kind of money, which is even more unlikely.

The Pats need to keep their cap situation under control, which means limiting the number of high priced signings. With the cap flat at around $121M and probably not increasing much for 2014, and maybe not for 2015, it's going to be a real challenge. Teams need to be very cautious how many big money contracts they give up, or they will eat up all their cap space - look at the Jets.

Right now we have the following big money contracts on the team:

- Brady
- Wilfork
- Mankins
- Mayo
- Gronk - low right now, but starts to get big in 2014
- Hernandez - same as with Gronk

By 2014 the cap hit for those 6 players will exceed $61M unless they are restructured, which would represent almost half the total projected cap space for the team. How many more big cap contracts can we afford?

Welker was a big cap hit in 2012. CB (Talib or other), Vollmer, and WR (Welker or other) are potential big cap hits for 2013. Brandon Spikes and Devin McCourty loom for 2014. Brandon Lloyd isn't particularly a low-cost item, either, and neither or Dan Connolly or Stephen Gostkowski. Those all add up.

The top 15 contracts for players currently under contract for 2014 have a collective cap hit of over $89M, which would leave only around $33M projected for the rest of the team. That's going to be very tough. And that's without addressing Talib, Vollmer, and Welker, or their successors.

We'll probably see some big names jettisoned, if not this year, then next. Stephen Gostkowski ($3M savings in 2014), Daniel Fells ($1.85M in 2014), Steve Gregory ($2.35M in 2014), Dan Connolly ($3M in 2014), maybe Brandon Lloyd ($3M in 2014). That would free up about $10M in cap space. The team may have to be ruthless with who is playing up to their contract and who isn't, and make some unpopular decisions. But it's going to be tight for a year or two until the cap goes up, and the team needs to be VERY careful how they navigate through that period - which may well coincide with much of their remaining window with Brady. Poor decision making could easily lead to salary cap hell.

That's part of why signings like Armstead are so important. If this kid pans out, the Pats will have a huge bargain for a 3 year period when they are likely to be most pressed for cap space, at a position of extreme importance. The brilliance of that move cannot be understated.
 
Welker was a big cap hit in 2012. CB (Talib or other), Vollmer, and WR (Welker or other) are potential big cap hits for 2013. Brandon Spikes and Devin McCourty loom for 2014. Brandon Lloyd isn't particularly a low-cost item, either, and neither or Dan Connolly or Stephen Gostkowski. Those all add up.
The top 20 contracts for the 2013 NFL Season account for roughly $85.985 million in cap space. Take into the following, some contracts may need to be restructured to sign even one big free agent with a sizeable first year cap hit:

Dead Money - $4.516 million
2013 NFL Draft Class - approximately $3.5 million
Injured Reserve
PUP
Practice Squad - $816,000

New England Patriots Salary Cap 2013
 
We have an astounding number of players who have been in the league 3 years or less. A total of 30. That should make next season's 53. Throw in another 5 or so from this coming spring's draft. Very young team.

QB - 1 - Mallett
RB - 4 - Ridley Vereen, Bolden and Demps
TE - 3 - Gronk, Hernandez and Ballard
WR - 0 - None. Though I hope we draft one in Rounds 1-3.
OL - 4 - Solder, Cannon, Zusevics and N. McDonald
DL - 8 - C. Jones, J.Francis, J.Bequette, J. Cunningham, K.Love, B. Deaderick and
A. Armstead
LB - 3 - B. Spikes, D.Hightower and D. Fletcher
DB - 5 - D. McCourty, A. Dennard, Ras Dowling, T. Wilson, N. Ebner
P - 2 - Z. Mesko and D.Aiken

How old is Wendell? Thought this was his 3rd year.
 
While not as highly coveted as the above, the New England Patriots signed right offensive tackle Markus Zusevics from the University of Iowa. If not for a torn pectoral suffered at the NFL Scouting Combine, Markus Zusevics would have most likely been selected in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Where Zusevics future with the New England Patriots remains uncertain, it would not surprise me if Zusevics is viewed as the future long term replacement to Dan Connolly at the right guard position. It's not the first time the New England Patriots converted a collegiate offensive tackle to an offensive guard.

To piggyback this a little bit I also see Marcus Fortson as someone who could make the roster in 2013 and contribute. Viewed as an early round draft pick prior to an injury ridden final year at college. Big time upside as NT/DT with more natural talent than Love or Deaderick.
 
he could be the pass rushing DT the pats need on 3rd down
 
National Football Post on Armstead:

Scout Talk | National Football Post

Thanks for posting this.

From a pure measurables perspective:

1. JJ Watt: 6' 5 3/8" 290#. 4.80. 34" arms.

2. Armond Armstead: 6' 4 7/8" 289#. 5.00 estimated (I think he's probably faster based on film clips; he timed 5.03 in April 2012 when he hadn't worked out for a full season). 33 1/2" arms.

I'm not saying that Armstead is another Watt. Very, very unlikely. I doubt he has Watt's insane 37" vertical or 6.88 3-cone (though the 7.48 3-cone that he had last April is probably skewed ot the other side, since he hadn't been working out with professional guidance like most pro prospects). But he has something like Watt's combination of length, power, and athleticism, even if to a lesser degree, and it's still pretty hard to find that combination at all. The fact that some guys think that he could play standing up at times in a 3-4 is impressive.

I think that's a pretty reasonable assessment, overall. Armstead should be no worse than a solid backup, will have a chance to start right away, will be used in a variety of ways, and has the upside to develop into an impact lineman. What he'll end up as is a mystery, but an intriguing one. And since we got him for free (no draft picks, and dirt cheap in terms of his cap hit for 3 years), it's like candy.
 
According to 2 NFL front office men in Mike Reiss' blog today, they thought Armstead would have been a 3rd or 4th rounder in this year's draft. Seeing the Pats don't have a 4th round pick, this appears to be a good signing 'on paper'.
 
According to 2 NFL front office men in Mike Reiss' blog today, they thought Armstead would have been a 3rd or 4th rounder in this year's draft. Seeing the Pats don't have a 4th round pick, this appears to be a good signing 'on paper'.
You got the quote a little wrong :

"Two NFL front office men who studied Armstead said they thought the 22-year old would have been no worse than a third round pick if he were in the 2013 draft. A third said he thought Armstead would have been a third- or fourth-round pick."

New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Two said he would be no worse than a #3, another said #3 or #4.
 
So, in the future, when people talk about this year's draft will it be proper to include Armstead in it?
 
So, in the future, when people talk about this year's draft will it be proper to include Armstead in it?

Sure. Just like they always give credit for Moss and Welker in the '07 draft.
 
National Football Post on Armstead:

Scout Talk | National Football Post

What stands out about some of this is how versatile scouts envision Armstead:

The question is what position will he play? The answer is he might play several, especially under the coaching of Bill Belichick. Given his dimensions, Armstead probably is best suited to be a five technique defensive end. But the personnel men I surveyed for this story also mentioned the following possibilities: three technique, nose tackle, and nickel rusher/outside linebacker in a 3-4.

“You have to imagine him to project him,” one of the front office men said. “He’s a talent. You get him now and worry about what position he plays later. He can be so versatile because he is quick off the snap. He’s a jack of all trades.”

Marqui mentioned above (post 236) that watching film of Armstead reminded him of a "young Shaun Ellis". I think that's a good model for what BB may have in mind. When BB signed Ellis in August of 2011 - at a fairly hefty $5M price tag, indicating how important a role BB had in mind for Ellis - Eric Mangina had this comment:

"[Ellis] has versatility, he even played some outside linebacker for us when we wanted to get really big," Mangini said. "We'd stand him up over the tight end and he can kill guys. I don't know if that's something Bill [Belichick] will do, but he can do it and do it well. He can drop into coverage; he has that type of athleticism in the base [defense]."

When the Patriots are in a sub defense, which they were about 57 percent of the time in 2010, Ellis offers other options.

"He can play down, inside, outside, which adds another layer of versatility," Mangini said. "He's a good pass-rusher, a physical guy."

Another possibility is a more traditional 4-3 style defense, and Ellis has proven he fits there as well.

"He could play end in that system," Mangini said. "That's where he played in Rex's system [with the Jets]. Rex runs a 3-4 but with 4-3 spacing. That's what Baltimore does, what Pittsburgh does, it's 3-4 personnel but set up like a 4-3. That's another reason Shaun makes sense. He has a comfort level with that. He's a unique guy. You can do some creative stuff with him that you couldn't do with a lot of defensive ends."

I think that BB has been looking for that "unique guy" that "you can do some creative stuff with". A big, athletic guy who can be used outside or inside in a variety of ways, creatively. He tried it with Ellis, but he was over the hill. He tried to get Red Bryant, but failed. He tried signing Jonathan Fanene, but Fanene probably never had that much talent, and arthritis stopped that plan form ever getting off the ground. Now he's trying again with Armstead. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't. But I'm guessing that part of what appeals to BB is Armstead's athleticism and versatility, and that he can potentially do some creative things with him once the kid gets up to speed. He's young and still developing, so it may take some time. But it's a heck of a lot cheaper than paying $5M to a 34 year old Shaun Ellis.
 
and Talib, especially if he re-signs

So, in the future, when people talk about this year's draft will it be proper to include Armstead in it?
 
You got the quote a little wrong :

"Two NFL front office men who studied Armstead said they thought the 22-year old would have been no worse than a third round pick if he were in the 2013 draft. A third said he thought Armstead would have been a third- or fourth-round pick."

New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Two said he would be no worse than a #3, another said #3 or #4.

Personally, I think he's much more than that. I've been leading the Armstead fan club for a while. I've been interested in him as a talent for years. But it's really what he's done in the past 20 months that stands out to me:

1. USC basically kicked him off the team in the summer of 2011 because of medical concerns. He wasn't allowed to work out with the team, and was basically an outcast.

2. He tried to transfer to Oregon (where younger brother Arik had signed with Chip Kelly) but the USC lawyers blocked that, because USC didn't want him transferring to a Pac-12 rival. So he declared for the 2012 draft.

3. The USC lawyers wouldn't let him train or work out at the team facilities, or work out at the USC pro day for fear or possible medical mishaps and liability, so he pretty much had to go on his own without any of the normal support structure that prospects have to train for the draft. He didn't get a Combine invite. His private workout numbers were for a guy who hadn't played football in 9 months and hadn't trained under the supervision of trainers, so they are probably not reflective of his optimal athletic abilty.

4. Despite his potential, no NFL team drafted him or signed him as a UDFA because they were scared of the medical issue, despite reassurances from physicians. So he went to Canada to prove himself.

5. He went to Toronto, 2500+ miles from home, living on the road with older players with no support structure, without the financial resources that come with being a high NFL draft pick, and played an 18 game schedule (I'm not to worried about the "rookie wall"). According to his GM he never missed a practice. He showed the maturity to thrive on his own in a professional environment, and to carry himself as a professional. That's a big advantage over most college kids, who have not experienced life outside of the relatively sheltered and structured environment of college.

6. He made the CFL All Star team as a rookie, and his team won the Blue Grey cup. He was noted for his relentless motor as well as for his physical skills.

7. To the best of my knowledge, Armstead has never publicly complained about what happened. In an era where stars still ***** about being "robbed" of a SB 12 years ago, he seems to have dealt with difficult circumstances with maturity.

8. He chose the Patriots - with 15 NFL teams reportedly showing interest - in part because he said that he wanted to play for a contending team.

Add it all up, and it's a lot. It shows that this kid cares about winning, cares intensely about football, and has the drive and perseverence to overcome obstacles and succeed. There are a lot of talented kids out there, but not many of them have that kind of success record going into the draft.

Maurice Jones-Drew wrote as a guest columnist for Peter King's MMQB a few years ago:

The NFL consists of the world's most superior athletes (no disrespect to my NBA and FIFA brothers). Whether we're talking about superstars like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady or the 53rd player on a roster, the athletic and physical ability of NFL players is nothing short of phenomenal. With that said, there is still a very clear split between players considered "NFL good" and those considered "NFL great."

Why is that? In my brief four years in the NFL, I've come to believe the answer to this question rests with "want-to." In other words, because the talent level of most NFL players is so high, the question of greatness ultimately boils down to whether players "want to" do the things necessary to be great. These players and others who are considered the best at their respective positions indeed are blessed with god-given abilities, but they don't rest on these talents. They work to maximize them. While others are sleeping or partying, the great ones are running hills, lifting weights and studying film. They do this not because a coach has instructed them to do so. They do it because they simply desire to be the very best.

The formula has always been and always will be the same: Talent + "Want-To" = Greatness.

Maurice Jones-Drew*fills in for Peter King's Monday Morning QB - Maurice Jones-Drew - SI.com

Armstead's always had the measurables and the physical talent. He's demonstrated the "want to", as far as I'm concerned. Not many highly recruited guys have had to do so much just to get their shot. Unless medical and physical issues derail him, I think he stands a much better odds of success than the average high draft pick.
 
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