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3 touchdowns, 7 interceptions in 3 games against the Ravens in the playoffs.

Definition of choking.
 
It isn't all Brady's fault. This years team wasn't that good. I'm serious.

No pass rush again. No secondary except for Talib, Dennard and McCourty. Linebackers were exposed big time. No defensive leaders.

No real deep threats. Dink and dunk don't work all of the time.

Brady did suck ass last night. No doubt.

Coaching sucked ass last night on a huge scale.

Finesse is a good word for it.

Pathetic end for the year.
 
Do you actually sit in front of a computer and "laugh out loud"? If so, you're even weirder than I thought. Question: who do you think should be playing quarterback for the Patriots? Because, if Brady truly is the over-the-hill choking tool you suggest he is, you must have an alternative in mind. Or is it the offensive coordinator you have a problem with? Hard to tell from your rambles.

probably brady, but I also think its unwise to have your 35 year old QB throw it 640 times during the regular season......at 35, brady threw the ball more than he has ever thrown it in his career.....sheer stupidity

the entire offensive scheme has only one answer.......it is 35 years old, and they are using it more than ever......that makes no sense at all
 
Not from what I saw. He made two stupid mistakes that were uncharacteristic of him, at the end of the first half(although BB could have called a timeout too or anyone else) and then when he was scrambling he made a poor pass, but he would have likely gotten tackled if he tried to run.

Other than that, I can't blame him for repeatedly putting the ball in receiver's hands and the damn thing just isn't caught. I thought he played very well.

It's frustrating when I watch other receivers make these crazy circus catches and our guys are dropping the prettiest of throws that killed our drives.

I do think he loses confidence in them. But honestly, so do I. Gronk seems to be the only guy you can really count on to make the catch and you can't count on him to be healthy when we need him most. It's very frustrating to see this happen.

Honestly though, the fumble was the final nail in our coffin and it was a stupid mistake for him to lower his helmet in that situation and go for the hit. No one to blame but him on that. He's lowering his helmet against a guy who's bigger than him and has more momentum....

After that it was pretty much over and especially after the tipped interception....which I can't really put on Brady. Earlier in the game when he threw it higher, Hernandez dropped it. This time he kept it lower, and it got tipped. It really feels like bad luck.

If I were to blame anyone, I blame the play calling of not going for it or even trying a FG on those 3rd and 4th and short situations early in the game.

But in the end I really don't want any other quarterback. Even with his mistakes, I still trust Brady more than anyone else. But we have to figure out how to get rid of this monkey off our back, and if we don't get some freaking physical, tall, receivers next year who fights for the damn ball like there's no tomorrow I don't expect anything to change. I'm at the point where I won't even want to watch if we don't do something about this which has been an obvious issue for so long.

In the end I guess I'm not really surprised. We basically brought back to the playoffs the same team we had last year, without Gronk, with a slightly better running game and Talib. I think other teams improved much more than we did. It just wasn't enough. And we played like crap on top of that.
 
all that verbiage, and not one word about the throws brady failed to make yesterday. flacco made better short throws than brady did......and flacco sucks in the short game.....well, maybe not anymore

the pats threw the ball 640 times over the regular season....alot of that had to do with the fact that brady likes it that way......sure you can blame the scheme, but I can guarantee you that brady has something to say about it.....a backfield full of RB's who can run the ball, and the pats are throwing the ball as much as they did when they couldn't run the ball at all.

you can blame the scheme if you like, but the QB is a part of the scheming process....the schem is his fault, too

Baltimore is clearly not inferior in terms of talent on both sides of the ball. That allowed them to overcome the injuries you sighted. We don't have that margin here apparently by design. Belichick is the one who plays carefully. Eschews emotion too. He made an exception early in Moss' time here and Brady adapted. The exception was short lived because by 2009 he realized Moss was no longer a consistent game changer. Yet he continued to lean on an offense that covered for his defense now in belated transition despite being given little more to work with (rookie rb's BB struggled to trust, old cerebral pal buddy whose legs were heading down the back 9, a BB binky who was an impossible fit for this offense, a McD binky who fancies himself a #1 but is barely a #3, his ever growing collection of swiss army knives who are situationally intriguing but limited and not effective when overused).

If that's your issue than Belichick is the guy you should be addressing it to. He admires talent but he's devoted to scheme above all else. Some of the talent he has had here over the years even bristled over that. Some making the chicken and egg analogy. Scheme has increasingly carried the day here, to a point. That point seems to be come playoff time, particularly when talent matchups just don't clearly jive. Baltimores talent struggles against TE's and against speed. We have little of either functionally when Gronk is out and Vereen isn't utilized. On defense we struggle with pass rush and deep balls. Absent a healthy Jones and once Talib went down all the scheming in the world became moot as it just exposed the middle of the field in a panic to avoid being beat deep.
 
all that verbiage, and not one word about the throws brady failed to make yesterday. flacco made better short throws than brady did......and flacco sucks in the short game.....well, maybe not anymore

the pats threw the ball 640 times over the regular season....alot of that had to do with the fact that brady likes it that way......sure you can blame the scheme, but I can guarantee you that brady has something to say about it.....a backfield full of RB's who can run the ball, and the pats are throwing the ball as much as they did when they couldn't run the ball at all.

you can blame the scheme if you like, but the QB is a part of the scheming process....the schem is his fault, too

Brady's short passing was disrupted when the refs choose to not call illegal contact on cornerbacks..........The patriots cornerbacks didn't get that memo.
 
mcclain started 13 games this year, so it wasn't that early...the pats had plenty of games without gronk and edelman, so there should have been plenty of offense cooked up with the guys that they had.

face it, they just didn't show up last night.......from a player perspective I put that primarily on their MVP....you can certainly say that he did not go down swinging.......the accepted their fate the moment it was 28-13......

the defense wasn't the problem until the offense could not hold onto the ball in the 2nd half. how many games would the pats have won this year only scoring 13 points?

The defense became a problem the minute Talib went out. Although the Ravens didn't exactly pounce on it, they waited until halftime to fully adjust. No pressure, no #1 CB, no stops on multiple third and longs... Bill was concerned about the offense because he was terrified of his own defense vs. the Ravens offense he'd watched hit their stride in the playoffs, let alone minus Talib, Jones and Love. They could run the ball with Rice and even Price or pass the ball with 5 dangerous and potentially explosive options including Rice, Pitta, Smith, Bolden and Jones. And they did. Our counter of Ridley until he was knocked out and ruled to have fumbled in the process and Welker, Hernandez, Lloyd, Branch and Vereen had they even used him doesn't cut it against a team with a motivated veteran defense and those kind of weapons on offense. There is only so much you can cook (scheme) with limited ingredients. Occasionally bit players rise up or opponents make stupid mistakes, but that's random and you can't count on it.

I had an inkling of their fate the moment Gronkowski not to mention Talib went out. Belichick stated it was much the same for him at halftime. By 13-14 I had pretty much accepted their fate. What transpired shortly thereafter just cemented it.
 
Tom brady did not choke....his receivers simply got abused mentality.


The refs let ravens abuse the hernandez/welker/lloyd pass 5 yards all game long and it began take a toll on them.

The patriots receivers are not physical enough to take those hits like the steelers.

Perhaps we shouldn't be structure our offense off those kinds of passes.
 
Brady's short passing was disrupted when the refs choose to not call illegal contact on cornerbacks..........The patriots cornerbacks didn't get that memo.

really? is that it?
 
Do you actually sit in front of a computer and "laugh out loud"? If so, you're even weirder than I thought. Question: who do you think should be playing quarterback for the Patriots? Because, if Brady truly is the over-the-hill choking tool you suggest he is, you must have an alternative in mind. Or is it the offensive coordinator you have a problem with? Hard to tell from your rambles.

He's a big fan of Mallett, throwing against air.
 
all that verbiage, and not one word about the throws brady failed to make yesterday. flacco made better short throws than brady did......and flacco sucks in the short game.....well, maybe not anymore

the pats threw the ball 640 times over the regular season....alot of that had to do with the fact that brady likes it that way......sure you can blame the scheme, but I can guarantee you that brady has something to say about it.....a backfield full of RB's who can run the ball, and the pats are throwing the ball as much as they did when they couldn't run the ball at all.

you can blame the scheme if you like, but the QB is a part of the scheming process....the schem is his fault, too


I don't know what you are looking at, but Flacco has very tall physical receivers. I have seen Flacco repeatedly throw the ball up high, using his receivers' height as an advantage. He also has very FAST receivers who can separate from our guys. His passes are constantly a bit off, but his guys often extend or make the tough catch.

I have seen Brady put damn near perfect passes in the hands of our receivers and they drop them. And if he was to just fling it up like Flacco does? Forget about it.

A completed catch still requires 2 people last time I checked.

And our running backs may be able to run, but it's completely dependent on our ability to pass the ball. We don't have a physical running game. None ONE of our running backs can run the ball unless the defense is playing the pass 24/7. They're just not big physical running backs. They're quick, small guys.

It's not a balanced pass/run team. We have a complementary running game. Not one you can actually depend on to carry you, if Brady stops passing. Heck, BJGE was a better running back than any of the 3 we have on our roster right now. And he wasn't that great to begin with. None of our RB's would be a #1 on a running team.
 
Brady has missed some throws that you would have expected him to make this week and last. Missed some going into the end of the season as well. Frankly though I think his misses are more telling cause nobody goes out and gets the ball except for the aforementioned Gronk. Did you see Welker "trying" to stretch out for the ball yesterday? What was that? Did not look like an old, slow, small guy or what? Lloyd...forget it...he specializes in the throw about 12" off the ground because the ground is where he is going anyway. Hernandez is not that kind of receiver either. So you are left with the same problem....no Gronk....against one of the better teams and the Pats struggle.
 
Perhaps we shouldn't be structure our offense off those kinds of passes.

You structure the offense around the guys you have on the field. With Gronk out there and Edelman, it's a different story. Patriots have 5 receiving weapons, only one of which possesses lots of speed (Edelman). But with Gronk out there, a guy who is much faster than the LBs who cover him, he clears out so much space for the rest to do their damage.

So, unless you have a brilliant idea about how to add a fast big WR stud, this is who they are playing with, the guys on the team. It's really more than enough, if they're healthy. No team in the NFL can win without the person most integral to the offense after the QB.
 
NO!!! Welker HAS TO make that catch Brady threw right at him on left side on 3rd down. He had lots of room for 1st and then some. THAT drop by Welker changed everything, momemtum not sure if it would have been a 17 pt lead but Ravens get ball next 2 possessions score 2 TDs couple those with Talib goin down and there's your recipe for disaster!
Pretty pathetic when ONE PLAYER goes down (Talib) he is our WHOLE secondary that glues it all together. After he goes down we're right back to liability of our DBs.
 
Time management is on the sideline. Belichick acknowledged that in his curt presser. "They" believed they'd have time to clock it. Poor assumption. Decisions were made prior to the snap, including another one to let the clock run out prior to 2 minute. We see that a lot lately, must be some crazy Ernie trend. Simms claimed it was smart until he claimed it was stupid in hindsight.

Hernandez should smart enough the get out of bounds and save the TO in that situation with 26 seconds left. Branch or Welker would have been aware and gone out of bounds.

This TO screw up where time was running out happened before this season where the Pats were in the redzone and wasted 14 seconds before finally calling a TO.

Several my ass. And what we see as misses are generally at least 50/50 split between receiver and QB let alone in this offense. High throws/low/ are made for a reason. Brady may miscalculate on occasion but coverage largely dictates what he does because no one is ever really open on this offense unless the defense blows coverage. That's just a sad reality Brady has to continue to deal with. Vereen had a breakout game last week only hereabouts that doesn't count for enough to feature you in the next week's game plan. Maybe he practiced like crap. More likely a conservative BB just squashed any ideas that might have percolated otherwise. He was the only legit speed that had and they failed to utilize it against a team that would have struggled against it. The Ravens didn't have to double anyone, single coverage negates Brady's 3 options most of the time (save Welker who gets over targeted as a result) and that allows opponents to stuff the run.

What you suspect is driven by what you chose to believe. The tape all season has told a different tale.

I dont get why Branch was out there.

I like Branch, but hes done. Vereen should have been given a look, Slater perhaps as well.
 
There was no excuse for the team not to call a TO After the Hernandez catch. For some reason, BB, and he has done this many times in the past seems to like to watch precious seconds tick of the clock to keep timeouts in his pocket when he is better off using the timeout quickly to preserve the clock. It was BB clock mismanagement at it's finest before the half and it cost us huge momentum heading into half time. We score a TD there and go up 17 7 and we are riding high coming into the second half. BB has to correct the clock management issue, it's gone on too long.

The weird part of the whole thing was Brady's unawareness of the clock after he ran, it was like he was in a fog and blanked out. He never used to do this crap in the early days.

I don't think he was in a fog. I think he realized immediately they were not going to get to the line in time to clock it and have time to run another play. Ergo the TO became moot. Then you call it with just enough time left for the FG to clear the crossbar. Belichick said in the post game that the plan was to save the TO but they miscalculated on the time it would take to get the ball set and get next snap off. Once that became clear they had no choice but to call it and kick the FG. Probably could have used the 20 or so seconds they allowed to run off before the 2 minute, which again was not Brady's call. A pattern of odd clock management has emerged this season and that's not Brady's call. My guess is it's Ernie's. Has some risk reward data about teams scoring late because they got the ball back with just enough time to do some damage. This team has now allowed that data to influence how they run and effectively limit their own offense and it's opportunities to score.
 
Even if Brady is "choking," I can't blame him. He's pretty much had to do it himself and carry the weight for five years. He's usually done it but when has has a bad game, so does the rest of the team. That pressure has to be grating.

The Patriots live and die by him.
 
Your last sentence is so true. This team spends so much time focusing on easy mismatches and ways to scheme defensive confusion that it forgets how to execute when those are taken away.

Two words

Mike Martz.
 
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