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Talk about baltimore

Nobody here plays on the Patriots. Nothing that we do or don't do here will impact how the team prepares for this week's game. Given that, what difference does it make if we choose to talk about Manning for a bit? You can always feel free to ignore the thread.
 
Eh, i just don't get all this "kicking mannng when he's down" stuff. Sure i wanted him to lose and thinks he's overrated as a playoff QB, but we're acting like all the same as opposing teams fans who after 2 super bowl losses said brady "hasn't won anything since spygate" or brady choked, etc.

A guy who waited in the visitors lockerrom, along with his family, for ray lewis after losing can't be all that bad.

C'mon, now. I'm sure some Jets fans love their mothers, treat their children well, and give to charity, too. We've still got a "Jets suck" thread.

This is clearly labeled as a Peyton Manning hatorade thread. If you don't want to participate, then don't. You could make a Peyton Manning lovefest thread. Or, another option would be for you to use the still-new ignore thread option that Ian installed in the "thread tools" group. The days where we have to wade through threads we hate in order to get to the good ones are gone.
 
A minor clarification - Manning only put up 21 points on Saturday (14 points on kick returns).

I gave Manning full credit for all the points his teams scored. Even with that, the "Manning had no defenses, and that's why he lost" defense fails miserably.
 
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Eh, i just don't get all this "kicking mannng when he's down" stuff. Sure i wanted him to lose and thinks he's overrated as a playoff QB, but we're acting like all the same as opposing teams fans who after 2 super bowl losses said brady "hasn't won anything since spygate" or brady choked, etc.

A guy who waited in the visitors lockerrom, along with his family, for ray lewis after losing can't be all that bad.

The teabagger and the murderer, an encounter between two paragons of football excellence. :D
 
I gave Manning full credit for all the points his teams scored. Even with that, the "Manning had no defenses, and that's why he lost" defense fails miserably.

Fair enough. I absolutely agree with your point.

I hated Peter King's take (at least the excerpts people have posted here) that Manning was good enough, only to be let down by his teammates. The reality is that Peyton put up 21 points, had three turnovers that lead directly 17 to points and was bailed out by a horrid performance by the Baltimore special teams.

By any objective view, Manning was at least as big a factor in the Broncos loss as the shoddy Denver secondary.
 
Jake Plummer:
1 Bronco play off win
Manning none :confused2:
 
Fair enough. I absolutely agree with your point.

I hated Peter King's take (at least the excerpts people have posted here) that Manning was good enough, only to be let down by his teammates. The reality is that Peyton put up 21 points, had three turnovers that lead directly 17 to points and was bailed out by a horrid performance by the Baltimore special teams.

By any objective view, Manning was at least as big a factor in the Broncos loss as the shoddy Denver secondary.

Every single point Baltimore scored was either the result of a Manning turnover (17) or a bomb down the field (21) so for King to even attempt to claim it's all on the defense is misleading. That said, the defense did crap the bed in the end and Denver should have won if not for a horrific play by the safety.
 
One of the things I think is extremely funny is the outrage in the media about Manning not getting a chance to "win" the game at the end of regulation. This is the biggest choking dog in NFL playoff history, and the media is upset that the Broncos didn't let him make more throws under extreme pressure.
 
I just don't get all of the Peyton ballwashing. If you're going to have a mancrush, you can find someone who isn't butt ugly, has a forehead bigger than the state of Texas, doesn't throw pick 6s like they're going out of style, ALWAYS choke in the biggest moments and make annoying commercials.

What's even funnier is it sounds like Peyton's guaranteeing a SB birth next year.

Wait! Didn't he just have twins?
 
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Manning was so prescient with that comment. A true, modern day Brett Favre (with lesser numbers, and even more soul-crushing playoff shortcomings).
 
Haven't double checked all of them (a few are old), but.....

  • Manning has more home playoff losses than any other starting quarterback in playoff history: five.
  • Manning has a 1-8 record in playoff games that were one score games in the 4th quarter.
  • Manning's playoff record is 6-6 when his D gives up 21 or less in regulation. No other QB has more than 3 losses in that same senario.
  • Manning has 38 regular season 4th quarter comebacks, most of any QB since 1998. But only 1 in the playoffs.
  • Manning is the only SB winning QB to carry a losing record overall in post-season play. Jim McMahon is the next closest at 3-3.
  • Manning is the only QB to throw more INTs than TDs in playoff run and still win the Super Bowl (3Tds and 7INTs in 2006 playoffs)
  • Manning's QB rating during his 06 playoff run is the lowest of any SB winning QB
  • Manning has had a top 10 scoring defense in 6 of his 12 playoff seasons

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Here's one.....

The thing is Indy's defense has them in position to win playoff games. They have allowed 21 points or less in regulation of 12 of their 19 playoff games under Peyton Manning. They lost 6 of those 12 games. That's the most prolific waste of defensive effort in the history of the NFL. 6 losses when the D allows 21 or less in regulation? No other QB has more than 3. Mannings winning % in those 11 games is .500; No other QB who has started more than 10 playoff games has a winning % below .600 when their D allows 21 or less in regulation. Most are well above .800.

For reference:
Marino 7-1
Elway 10-1
Brady 12-2
Montana 12-2
Young 4-1
Favre 11-1
Bart Starr 8-1
John Unitas 6-2
Terry Bradshaw 13-2
Bob Griese 6-2
Roger Staubach 11-3
Fran Tarkenton 6-2
Jim Kelly 6-2
Troy Aikman 10-1
Kerry Collins 3-1
Len Dawson 5-1
Jim Plunkett 7-2
Phil Simms 6-3
Donavan McNabb 9-2
 
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interesting:

Ravens cornerback Corey Graham, who picked off Manning twice, said Manning's patience to dink and dunk gave Baltimore confidence.

"Graham said that the Ravens' defensive backs became more brazen as the game went on, since they weren't being challenged deep,

all the more reason to test deep once or twice
 
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I saw Belichick get asked at a press conference only one time about Tom Brady vrs Peyton Manning. He closed his answer by saying, "there's no other quarterback I'd rather have than Tom Brady."

I've never heard him say that again since. That sort of singling people out isn't his style despite us knowing how tight they are.

But Belichick is also a smart guy. He's got an elephant's memory, and he knows what he told a reporter the one time he was asked.

So I found it sort of ironic that he all of sudden said that again after the Texans game, word for word, when Tom Brady surpassed Montana with playoff wins and Peyton Manning joined a record for one and dones.

Some of you might think this is ridiculous. That's cool.
I just happen to think Belichick is too smart, and chooses his words too carefully, week after week after week, to unknowingly repeat, word for word, the same thing he said the one time way back when when he was asked about the Tom versus Peyton rivalry.

That was Belichick reminding the media in his own way that nobody in the league is better at the position than Brady, no matter what the fan boys in NY media like to pretend, especially not Peyton.
That's my opinion. I say it was intentional.

Belichick is too methodical in everything for it not to have been.
The timing with Tom's record and Peyton going down in flames just seems too coincidental.

Maybe I only noticed because I just happened to have seen that old press conference (I think it was from '07) recently, within the last month or so on youtube somewhere.
 
A guy who waited in the visitors lockerrom, along with his family, for ray lewis after losing can't be all that bad.

Yeah now all the media is talking about how classy he is rather than his choke. Smart move. ;)
 
Yeah now all the media is talking about how classy he is rather than his choke. Smart move. ;)

LOL! I'm noticing the media is moving the talking point as well.

One of my all time favorite media misdirection arguments was when the Patriots lost the super bowl in 2007. News came out that Brady went right to the locker room and didn't congratulate the New York Giants...The media picked up on this and spent a couple days whining about Brady being a poor sport.

2009, Colts lose to Saints. Word comes out that Peyton Manning went straight to the locker room....Media picks it up, and all I hear is "Peyton Manning has such respect for the Saints, he didn't want to be the story, he wanted to give them there moment." I couldn't believe it.

So, if anybody is paying attention now, there is a media ground swell at the moment to blame this all on John Fox after his press conference yesterday. Mike and Mike were beating the drum loudly this morning.
 
I saw Belichick get asked at a press conference only one time about Tom Brady vrs Peyton Manning. He closed his answer by saying, "there's no other quarterback I'd rather have than Tom Brady."

I've never heard him say that again since. That sort of singling people out isn't his style despite us knowing how tight they are.

But Belichick is also a smart guy. He's got an elephant's memory, and he knows what he told a reporter the one time he was asked.

So I found it sort of ironic that he all of sudden said that again after the Texans game, word for word, when Tom Brady surpassed Montana with playoff wins and Peyton Manning joined a record for one and dones.

Some of you might think this is ridiculous. That's cool.
I just happen to think Belichick is too smart, and chooses his words too carefully, week after week after week, to unknowingly repeat, word for word, the same thing he said the one time way back when when he was asked about the Tom versus Peyton rivalry.

That was Belichick reminding the media in his own way that nobody in the league is better at the position than Brady, no matter what the fan boys in NY media like to pretend, especially not Peyton.
That's my opinion. I say it was intentional.

Belichick is too methodical in everything for it not to have been.
The timing with Tom's record and Peyton going down in flames just seems too coincidental.

Maybe I only noticed because I just happened to have seen that old press conference (I think it was from '07) recently, within the last month or so on youtube somewhere.

To be honest he has said it several times, one his stint with weei, on Patriots all access, and so on . . . however, as you indicated, sometimes he vounteers the comment at key points in the brady manning issue, like the present one where in the same weekend brady surpasses Montana and Manning ties Farve . . .
 
To be honest he has said it several times, one his stint with weei, on Patriots all access, and so on . . . however, as you indicated, sometimes he vounteers the comment at key points in the brady manning issue, like the present one where in the same weekend brady surpasses Montana and Manning ties Farve . . .

He also said it on the Tonight show or David Letterman (can't remember which) after the 2003 Superbowl win. He was asked if he could pick between Brady and Joe Montana and he said "Tom Brady." The host started to ask another "who would you pick" question and he just said "Tom Brady." again with a big grin. I had it on tape at one time or another so it's not exact but it's the gist of it. I never forgot it.
 
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I saw Belichick get asked at a press conference only one time about Tom Brady vrs Peyton Manning. He closed his answer by saying, "there's no other quarterback I'd rather have than Tom Brady."

I've never heard him say that again since.
That sort of singling people out isn't his style despite us knowing how tight they are.

But Belichick is also a smart guy. He's got an elephant's memory, and he knows what he told a reporter the one time he was asked.

So I found it sort of ironic that he all of sudden said that again after the Texans game, word for word, when Tom Brady surpassed Montana with playoff wins and Peyton Manning joined a record for one and dones.

Some of you might think this is ridiculous. That's cool.
I just happen to think Belichick is too smart, and chooses his words too carefully, week after week after week, to unknowingly repeat, word for word, the same thing he said the one time way back when when he was asked about the Tom versus Peyton rivalry.

That was Belichick reminding the media in his own way that nobody in the league is better at the position than Brady, no matter what the fan boys in NY media like to pretend, especially not Peyton.
That's my opinion. I say it was intentional.

Belichick is too methodical in everything for it not to have been.
The timing with Tom's record and Peyton going down in flames just seems too coincidental.

Maybe I only noticed because I just happened to have seen that old press conference (I think it was from '07) recently, within the last month or so on youtube somewhere.


He actually says that all the time.

"Q: Can you talk about Tom Brady passing Joe Montana for all-time playoff wins?

BB: Of course Tom has meant a lot to us since he’s been here. He started winning playoff games the first year he really got a chance to participate in them. Tom is a great competitor. He had a great week of preparation as he always does for every game but especially the playoff games. He’s our leader and we all follow him, we all respect him and he led the team today, along with a lot of other guys but he certainly did his job, as he’s done many times before. There’s no quarterback I’d rather have than Tom Brady. "

Bill Belichick Postgame Press Conference Transcript
 
To be honest he has said it several times, one his stint with weei, on Patriots all access, and so on . . . however, as you indicated, sometimes he vounteers the comment at key points in the brady manning issue, like the present one where in the same weekend brady surpasses Montana and Manning ties Farve . . .

I'm not sure that BB is as calculating as you think about when and where he says that. BB is honest with his comments but in a careful way.

No doubt that he thinks TB is the GOAT, but doesn't wanna say that out loud, because he knows well that saying it has no upside and the downside is that a comment like that always feeds one's complacency more or less. And #12 respects BB's opinion propably more than anyone else's.
 
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