Brady's shot at football immortality

Montana is probably a better playoff performer than Brady is (statistically). Montana also had that ability to evade the pass rush with his feet (similar to aaron rodgers and steve young, but in a less athletic way). Although Brady is great at avoiding the pass rush (with subtle movement), he does not have what montana did.

I would wager that if you have a superior OL, you go with Brady. If not, Montana? We have yet to see what Brady can do with a really bad OL (but then again, Brady does make his OL seem better).

whoartthou said:

Montana is probably a better playoff performer than Brady is (statistically). Montana also had that ability to evade the pass rush with his feet (similar to aaron rodgers and steve young, but in a less athletic way). Although Brady is great at avoiding the pass rush (with subtle movement), he does not have what montana did.

I would wager that if you have a superior OL, you go with Brady. If not, Montana? We have yet to see what Brady can do with a really bad OL (but then again, Brady does make his OL seem better).

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Montana is 16-7 in the playoffs and Brady is 16-6 (and counting) currently,

IF IF IF Brady were to win the Sb THIS year he would be 19-6, in what universe is 16-7 better than 19-6????????????

Not to mention that Brady is .778 in reg season winning % and Montana is .713....

patsfan13 said:

Montana is 16-7 in the playoffs and Brady is 16-6 (and counting) currently,

IF IF IF Brady were to win the Sb THIS year he would be 19-6, in what universe is 16-7 better than 19-6????????????

Not to mention that Brady is .778 in reg season winning % and Montana is .713....

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they would point to him never losing a SB where as the pats lost 2

Brady_to_Moss said:

they would point to him never losing a SB where as the pats lost 2

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They would have to ignore his record in Conference championship games, which some will. Of course if Brady plays for say 4 more playoff seasons (including this one) he will be in the 20+ win category for playoff wins which dwarfs the numbr of wins that Montana has.

IMO because of the turnover of the roster in the past few years we have a core that will get to 2 SB's or more over the next 4 years.

If Brady plays 4 more regular seasons there is a decent chance that he breaks Farve's record for all time wins with a winning rate that is 10%+ higher.

If he get to another SB and wins and plays 4 more years after this one he will (probably have ) 50% more playoff wins that the guy in 2nd place, the most regular season wins in the history of the league, the highest winning % in the history of the league (by a LARGE margin), more conference championships than any QB in the modern era. More division championships than any QB, and on and on.

By the time this guy is done he will HANDS DOWN be the GOAT, the only thing that can prevent this is injury.

So sit back and enjoy the ride, I have seen all the greats going back to Unitas and Bobby Layne.

You can make a case that if Brady retires after this year win or lose he is the Goat, if he plays another 4 years and wins a SB it won't even be debatable except by morons.

6 AFCCG and 4 SB trophies are better than 4 AFCCG and 4 SB's no matter how you slice it, it's not even debatable IMO.

Teams win or lose Superbowls, not individuals. You can't say Brady or Montana won or lost SB's unto themselves.

One stat to also look at when making the comparison is Superbowl MVP - Montana earned 3 SB MVP's to Brady's 2.

robbomango said:

6 AFCCG and 4 SB trophies are better than 4 AFCCG and 4 SB's no matter how you slice it, it's not even debatable IMO.

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Hear! Hear!

I don't get the logic that losing Conference Championship games is better than losing Super Bowls, or, to put it more succinctly, losing a Conference Championship game is better than winning one.

19-0 would have been football immortality. A fourth SB puts him back with Joe in the normal fan's mind. All I want is for him to get #4. I shudder to think how close he's been already to 5.

SoCal Pmen said:

Teams win or lose Superbowls, not individuals. You can't say Brady or Montana won or lost SB's unto themselves.

One stat to also look at when making the comparison is Superbowl MVP - Montana earned 3 SB MVP's to Brady's 2.

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Of course there are many other factors to bring to the table but when the Cro-Magnon minded media spout off about Montana being undefeated in the SB the argument gets rather silly.

I heard Ordway on weei today say Brady needs 5 SB wins because he already lost two, really? That would be a staggering 22-6 playoff record utterly unheard of, geezus. Meanwhile Peyton only needs one more, lol.

Wonder what the consensus would be If P Manning had Brady's career with the Pat's, same stats same wins etc...

Your 1st comment sums up my feelings, it's all about the team...

Salva135 said:

19-0 would have been football immortality. A fourth SB puts him back with Joe in the normal fan's mind. All I want is for him to get #4. I shudder to think how close he's been already to 5.

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I think hes going to win 2 more before all is said and done, the first one this year and one more at least, I feel it this year, Brady's pumped, this is his time with this team to make the final push of his career, the ends going to play out like the beginning.

patsfan13 said:

By the time this guy is done he will HANDS DOWN be the GOAT, the only thing that can prevent this is injury.

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He needs that 4th SB ring..he doesn't get it...he won't ever be #1

cmasspatsfan said:

I think hes going to win 2 more before all is said and done, the first one this year and one more at least, I feel it this year, Brady's pumped, this is his time with this team to make the final push of his career, the ends going to play out like the beginning.

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Let's put it this way, if he beats the Texans, then Peyton, and then wins the SB he's immortal and the best ever in my mind. If he loses along the way, he's still all-time great, but that's it. No pressure.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

Montana is 4-0 in the SB
Montana is 4-3 in conference championship games

Brady with a ring this year would be:
4-2 in the SB
6-1 in conference championship games

Thus their 7 best seasons would be directly comparable and it would be clear to even the most dense folks (i.e. Jets and Colts fans) that it is far better, for example, to win a conference championship and advance to the Super Bowl than it is to lose a conference championship and deny yourself even an opportunity to play for a title.

Brady would have
4 SB rings
2 other conference championships
1 conference finals loss

Montana would have
4 SB rings
0 other conference championships
3 conference finals losses


4=4
2>0

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I feel like a lesser man today after reading your post. I had no idea that Joe lost 3 conference championship games.

Thanks for a great post!

Brady_to_Moss said:

He needs that 4th SB ring..he doesn't get it...he won't ever be #1

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Dude do you have CTE? I mean, damn you've been debby downer all this week brother. You good?

SoCal Pmen said:

Teams win or lose Superbowls, not individuals. You can't say Brady or Montana won or lost SB's unto themselves.

One stat to also look at when making the comparison is Superbowl MVP - Montana earned 3 SB MVP's to Brady's 2.

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While the team concept is central to everything in football, and the Pats value team over individuals, there is only one player on this team who was there at the beginning of this extraordinary run - Tom Brady.

Tom Brady has taken five different teams to the Super Bowl with varying levels of talent around him. Early on the team took Brady to the mountain top but he stepped up and led when necessary. Now, it'd Brady as the unquestioned leader bring a host of playoff neophytes along with him. On defense, the Patriots have had an amazing run of leaders.

Bill Belichick and Dante Scarnecchia are the other two guys who have been a constant on the field. All three are hall of famers in my book. I think about Bill Russell and Red Auerbach in this type of discussion, or Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson. Do either Russell or Jordan accomplish what they did if they played for a team with a coaching carousel? Doubtful.

Super Bowl MVP is a strange award and not a measure of anything in my estimation. A DB who picks off a couple of bad passes has won, a kick returner has won it, running backs, etc. It's an award that goes to a guy who is there at the moment, not the best player on the field.

Dutchmaster617 said:

In reality the SBs matter more, and there is nothing wrong with that, I love Brady but he played just as bad as Montana vs BAL and SD (11 & 07) yet pulled it out, lets not pretend its not an argument or act biased.

BTW the 1988? Bowl against CIN was amazing, clutch work by Montana and Rice.

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Of course Brady had 2 clutch performances against the Panthers and Rams to win games late and even put the Pats ahead of the Giants late in the 2008 SB.

Brady_to_Moss said:

i think montana will always be the best because of the 2 SB losses we have had. People still think manning is ahead of brady...yeah maybe in the reg season

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Same sort of ignorant thinking by mediots and fans who think Manning is a better reg season QB.

Peyton Manning 154-70 .688

TFB 136-39 .777


Manning isn't really close to Brady as a reg season QB career wise, even Montana is 'only' a .713 QB.

The difference between Brady and EVERYONE else is huge.

Brady_to_Moss said:

He needs that 4th SB ring..he doesn't get it...he won't ever be #1

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Very Lame job of taking a quote out of context congrats.

You love Joe ad no matter what anyone else does he will always be the best to you and some mediots .

Brady_to_Moss said:

they would point to him never losing a SB where as the pats lost 2

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Then Trent Dilfer is better than Brady.

SoCal Pmen said:

Teams win or lose Superbowls, not individuals. You can't say Brady or Montana won or lost SB's unto themselves.

One stat to also look at when making the comparison is Superbowl MVP - Montana earned 3 SB MVP's to Brady's 2.

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Brady earned that third. But the media votes the award and they were simply not going to give it to him a third time without a fight. First time he was cute and a novelty. Second time they had no choice. They wanted to give it to TO the third time...but since it has to go to someone on the winning team they settled on Deion Branch...who had 11 catches but none for TD's. Those 11 catches tied him with Jerry Rice for superbowl receptions, even though we all realize Deion is no Jerry Rice. I guess the tooth fairy was tossing him the rock.

Same media who bestowed an MVP on Manning in his lone SB win even though it should have been shared by two sub elite RB's.