Houston Radio Guys on With Gresh and Zo...Make it Stop!

Rob0729 · Jan 10, 2013

Deus Irae said:
I agree that WEEI needs to make changes. "Mutt" needs to go, for example, and Callahan has become a caricature of himself.

I don't agree with your interpretation of the problem as laid out in your second paragraph. I think it comes down to the fact that New Englanders are hypcrites at a level not found anywhere else in the country. For all the griping on this board about "chicken littles", for, example, this board is able to talk about Felger/Mazz with complete knowledge, meaning they listen to the most negative hosts on Boston sports radio, while leaving a much more positive show that has more 'expert' guests. When you combine that with people not wanting to change the dial, you get 98.5 winning the ratings race.

Because, let's be honest, even with the changes, Zo & Gresh is still the only daytime slot that has better hosts/guests on 98.5 than on WEEI. This is a classic example of people choosing the lesser quality because it's negative-based programming.

I disagree with your assessments. Felger may be a contrarian, but he isn't a chicken little. Chicken littles are completely reactionary and spell doom at the first sign of even minor trouble. In fact, Felger and Mazz dismiss most of the Chicken Little arguments like Belichick losing touch with today's NFL.

Also, the two most negative and reactionary radio hosts in Boston are not Felger and Mazz, but Dennis and Callahan. They come up with these ludicrous theories and try to get their guest to buy into those theories. They are the ones who really pushed the whole "Belichick and Brady have lost Faith in Lloyd" crap.

Also, I can only speak for myself, but ball washing radio is boring and there is far more of that on WEEI other than in the morning where you get moron radio. Add the fact that guys like Dennis, Callahan, and Ordway all have tired acts that worked well 5-10 years ago, but are outdated today.

DarrylS · Jan 10, 2013

Rob0729 said:
I disagree with your assessments. Felger may be a contrarian, but he isn't a chicken little. Chicken littles are completely reactionary and spell doom at the first sign of even minor trouble. In fact, Felger and Mazz dismiss most of the Chicken Little arguments like Belichick losing touch with today's NFL.

Also, the two most negative and reactionary radio hosts in Boston are not Felger and Mazz, but Dennis and Callahan. They come up with these ludicrous theories and try to get their guest to buy into those theories. They are the ones who really pushed the whole "Belichick and Brady have lost Faith in Lloyd" crap.

Also, I can only speak for myself, but ball washing radio is boring and there is far more of that on WEEI other than in the morning where you get moron radio. Add the fact that guys like Dennis, Callahan, and Ordway all have tired acts that worked well 5-10 years ago, but are outdated today.

They were also the ones who engineered that BB was punishing Wes Welker and how did that work out??

All these guys have much more deficits than positive attributes... and make my f..ing ears hurt.

Joker · Jan 10, 2013

Callahan is an elitist snob...how he managed that being Irish is actually pretty admirable.

If I were John Dennis, I'd either change my name and move to a Pacific Atoll...or send signals into outer space begging aliens to rescue me. How he figures he's immune to some random smash in the face is beyond me.

DocHoliday · Jan 10, 2013

Oh I love Toucher and Rich. They had that character they apparently found wandering around that park in back bay.

"Hey Ronnnn, you wanna take a picture?"

BananaRepublican · Jan 10, 2013

Deus Irae said:
Dale & Holley show.

Wasn't Dale Sky King's girlfriend?

Deus Irae · Jan 10, 2013

Rob0729 said:
I disagree with your assessments. Felger may be a contrarian, but he isn't a chicken little. Chicken littles are completely reactionary and spell doom at the first sign of even minor trouble. In fact, Felger and Mazz dismiss most of the Chicken Little arguments like Belichick losing touch with today's NFL.

I didn't claim that Felger or Mazz were Chicken Littles. I said, correctly, that they are the most negative hosts on either channel. However, when it comes to chicken little aspects in terms of crying and claiming doom, they put real CLs to shame.

Rob0729 said:
Also, I can only speak for myself, but ball washing radio is boring and there is far more of that on WEEI other than in the morning where you get moron radio. Add the fact that guys like Dennis, Callahan, and Ordway all have tired acts that worked well 5-10 years ago, but are outdated today.

There's a difference between ballwashing and having a positive take, just as there's a difference between being a CL and having a negative take. I find it funny that people talk about ballwashing at WEEI when they also want one of the guest hosts banned from human society for daring to be a Giants guy instead of buying into all things Patriots.

PatsWickedPissah · Jan 10, 2013

Deus Irae said:
they also want one of the guest hosts banned from human society for daring to be a Giants guy instead of buying into all things Patriots.

Banned from human society is rather a harsh description of sending him back to New Jersey, but perhaps accurate.

BananaRepublican · Jan 10, 2013

PatsDeb said:
they were calling Paul Perillo the Peyton Manning lover

I've been called that. It's a sign of immaturity when they do that. Local cultural conditioning says you either support Brady in every discussion or you're the enemy. It's like George Bush telling us we either support the Iraq war or we're the enemy. It's beyond ludicrous.

Deus Irae · Jan 10, 2013

PatsDeb said:
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I must have missed the argument you state above. When I listened the other day they were calling Paul Perillo the Peyton Manning lover and pointing out how Manning has crapped out so many times in the post-season, particularly in the first round. They were not equating Brady with that, although at the end of the show the intern doctored what Felger had said about Manning and pretended it applied to Brady (whom he said he expects to play well and win on Sunday).

They were calling Perillo a Manning Lover because Perillo was cracking out the old chestnuts about Manning in the playoffs, and because they were trying to get under his skin. They have, nonetheless, been playing the equation game, by using the "But since the 10-0 start" approach, as if those games don't count, and by ignoring/minimizing context (something that this board knows plenty about, as a matter of fact) such as Brady getting injured during the 2007 playoffs, coming off the ACL season and losing Welker in 2009, etc...

Kdo5 · Jan 10, 2013

PatsDeb said:
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I must have missed the argument you state above. When I listened the other day they were calling Paul Perillo the Peyton Manning lover and pointing out how Manning has crapped out so many times in the post-season, particularly in the first round. They were not equating Brady with that, although at the end of the show the intern doctored what Felger had said about Manning and pretended it applied to Brady (whom he said he expects to play well and win on Sunday).

Which I found hilarious when they played it at the end of the show and apparently fooled some people who didn't know what was really going on. They were discussing Manning & Brady in the post season the other day. They were critical of Manning's post season but they also fairly noted that Brady has arguably had more bad games than good in the post season since our third Super Bowl.

Felger is no expert, but there are times when he makes plenty of sense. And the only reason he is hated by Pats fans is because he is willing to be critical of the team while hardly having any kind of 'anti-Pats' bias. Boo hoo.

Deus Irae · Jan 10, 2013

Kdo5 said:
...They were critical of Manning's post season but they also fairly noted that Brady has arguably had more bad games than good in the post season since our third Super Bowl....

Read that again, maybe a few times. Hopefully, you'll find the problems there.

Kdo5 · Jan 10, 2013

Deus Irae said:
Read that again, maybe a few times. Hopefully, you'll find the problems there.

There is no problem with that, just truth. Obviously Brady is one of the best ever, but I am not talking about his success 9 years ago. I'm talking his success in the past four years. The QB he is NOW.

2009-2012:
2-3.

One of the two he won was a horrendous game (vs Ravens in AFCCG). Not impressive at all.

Uncle Rico · Jan 10, 2013

Kdo5 said:
There is no problem with that, just truth. Obviously Brady is one of the best ever, but I am not talking about his success 9 years ago. I'm talking his success in the past four years. The QB he is NOW.

2009-2012:
2-3.

One of the two he won was a horrendous game (vs Ravens in AFCCG). Not impressive at all.

Would be interesting to see a chart of all NFL quarterbacks in the playoffs since, say, 2007. Something that includes W-L and stats.

upstater1 · Jan 10, 2013

Kdo5 said:
There is no problem with that, just truth. Obviously Brady is one of the best ever, but I am not talking about his success 9 years ago. I'm talking his success in the past four years. The QB he is NOW.

2009-2012:
2-3.

One of the two he won was a horrendous game (vs Ravens in AFCCG). Not impressive at all.

Since out third super Bowl, Brady played a whale of a game against Jax, played so-so against Denver, played great against San Diego, played great against Indy, played great against Jax, played pretty well against San Diego, played on the poor side against the Giants, played badly against the Ravens and Jets, played well against Denver, played OK to poor against the Ravens, played well against the Giants (including breaking the NFL consec. completion record).

He's 7 good, 5 bad, 2 mediocre.

jri37 · Jan 10, 2013

One of the hosts in Houston had a whiny/tinny voice and Gresh was just annoying as usual. Bad, bad radio. It was akin to listening a low talker at a loud party trying to discern what they were saying.

This market needs an infusion of fresh talent.

patfanken · Jan 10, 2013

Deus Irae said:
I didn't claim that Felger or Mazz were Chicken Littles. I said, correctly, that they are the most negative hosts on either channel. However, when it comes to chicken little aspects in terms of crying and claiming doom, they put real CLs to shame.

There's a difference between ballwashing and having a positive take, just as there's a difference between being a CL and having a negative take. I find it funny that people talk about ballwashing at WEEI when they also want one of the guest hosts banned from human society for daring to be a Giants guy instead of buying into all things Patriots.

That's just more BS. People were upset at DeOssie for good reason. Its not that he rooted for the Giants in the Superbowl. That would be fine with most of us, especially with a son on the team.

What pissed us off was his overt hypocrisy in telling a group of Giant fans what idiots and fools Pats fans were, and how hard it was to have to deal with them, while at the same time telling his NE audience that he's with us all the way. That's a flat out betrayal, and doesn't have any comparison with annoying talkshow hosts who are being paid to be annoying stirrers of the pot.

I know you like to think of yourself as a defender against rampant homerism, DI, but in this case you are coming off as an self loathing Pats fan, who needs to keep proving he's not a homer

PatsWickedPissah · Jan 10, 2013

patfanken said:
That's just more BS. People were upset at DeOssie for good reason. Its not that he rooted for the Giants in the Superbowl. That would be fine with most of us, especially with a son on the team.

What pissed us off was his overt hypocrisy in telling a group of Giant fans what idiots and fools Pats fans were, and how hard it was to have to deal with them, while at the same time telling his NE audience that he's with us all the way. That's a flat out betrayal, and doesn't have any comparison with annoying talkshow hosts who are being paid to be annoying stirrers of the pot.

THIS!
Well said
I expected him to have a rooting interest for the Giants because of his son.
The disdain, loathing and contempt for NE, the region and its fans is inexcusable.

Rob0729 · Jan 10, 2013

Deus Irae said:
I didn't claim that Felger or Mazz were Chicken Littles. I said, correctly, that they are the most negative hosts on either channel. However, when it comes to chicken little aspects in terms of crying and claiming doom, they put real CLs to shame.

There's a difference between ballwashing and having a positive take, just as there's a difference between being a CL and having a negative take. I find it funny that people talk about ballwashing at WEEI when they also want one of the guest hosts banned from human society for daring to be a Giants guy instead of buying into all things Patriots.

DeOssie plays a Patriots homer on local radio. I don't get that point. Half the media are not Pats fans even if they play one on the radio or TV.

Felger and Mazz are not Chicken Littles. Mazz is a Pats hater in print, but toned down a bit on the radio. Felger is a contrarian for the most part, but most of his arguments are rational other than maybe his hatred of Moss when he was here. Felger has actually been pro Pats this season.

AQPE · Jan 10, 2013

FWIW, not to come across like a "sock puppet" here, but for years I felt just like a lot of the folks posting on this thread about the local sports talk radio choices; I couldn't stand any of it anymore in spite of how much I love sports. My solution was to go with the satellite radio option, and I highly recommend it. The shows are pretty much all national, so I often miss the local focus, but its worth it to avoid the phony contrarianism and ball-washing you get too much of with EEI and 98.5. I'd rather listen to Mad Dog than Mazz any day.

Kdo5 · Jan 10, 2013

upstater1 said:
Since out third super Bowl, Brady played a whale of a game against Jax, played so-so against Denver, played great against San Diego, played great against Indy, played great against Jax, played pretty well against San Diego, played on the poor side against the Giants, played badly against the Ravens and Jets, played well against Denver, played OK to poor against the Ravens, played well against the Giants (including breaking the NFL consec. completion record).

He's 7 good, 5 bad, 2 mediocre.

Oh puhlease. He played bad against San Diego both times. Thought gets a pass for the game winning drive (a whole he helped dig us into). Both Superbowls were so so. At any rate he has been far from special recently. Not that I'd take anyone else.

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