Ray Lewis is retiring

mojocaster.com said:

Ray Lewis is a thug and a criminal. The constant ballwashing he receives from the media is vomit-inducing. And so is his stupid dance.

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black man who speaks his mind = thug.

BennyBledsoe said:

And by the way, what has stopped Ray from giving exacting testimony or telling us about the suit he wore that night? It's been over a decade. He no longer has the excuse of youth. NOTHING is preventing him from coming forward and answering the questions many have of his involvement that night.

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What do you want him to do? Say that two of his friends killed somebody? He already did that in court. If my friends killed somebody and some blood ended up on my clothes, you better believe I am not saving those clothes for police inspection. All in all, I can't think of anything that Lewis did that I wouldn't do in the same situation. Again, his mistake was hanging with the wrong dudes. He paid for it. And now, 13 years later, all those that don't harbor an irrational hatred for the man have forgiven and forgotten.

Tell us exactly what he did that night. Not try to distort things. He testified. Well enough that he managed to get his friends off the hook while at the same time saving his own ass.

It wouldn't be as much of a problem if the media and fans hadn't spent the last decade kissing his ass because of the good he's done since. In your estimation then... if you were involved in the deaths of two men, disposed of evidence, testified in such a way that your friends got off after you got a plea deal and then spent the next decade using your vast wealth to do some good.... we should heap praise on you and forget that your inability to tell the truth has let two murders go unpunished?

letekro said:

black man who speaks his mind = thug.

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That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read on this forum, by a mile.

MLK was black. he spoke his mind. Some thug, he was.

I think what you meant to write was:

man who leaves two people stabbed to death on the side of the street, lies to the police, tells others to lie to the police, hides crucial evidence and pays off relatives to shut up = thug.

Dumbass.

A little perspective on a team not named the Patriots from a fan that is not engulfed by the New England self love, and I'm removed from the conversation?

Fair enough. I thought the Steelers message board guys were kidding when they said you all were so touchy. I can't believe I actually now agree with a Steelers fan.

No need to ban me again..... I'll show myself out quietly and let you all get back to your sewing circle of self love.

Go Ravens!!! :rocker:

Nevermore2 said:

A little perspective on a team not named the Patriots from a fan that is not engulfed by the New England self love, and I'm removed from the conversation?

Fair enough. I thought the Steelers message board guys were kidding when they said you all were so touchy. I can't believe I actually now agree with a Steelers fan.

No need to ban me again..... I'll show myself out quietly and let you all get back to your sewing circle of self love.

Go Ravens!!! :rocker:

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Could you have at least done a dance before you left?

letekro said:

black man who speaks his mind = thug.

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That's not fair. Nobody ever said President Obama, Rev. King, President Mandela, AG Holder, Jackie Robinson, General Powell, Bishop Tutu, Arthur Ashe, etc, etc, etc were thugs. In fact, the greatest strides in civil rights have been made by people of all races who stood up for justice and equality.

Thug is not a racist term. It signifies anyone who bullies or uses force against weaker people. If we started a list of great thugs in history, it would be pretty multicultural and would spark some good debate about whose thugs were the worst.

Hell, you could have an all-time thug Olympics and I bet every country on earth could field a pretty decent team. If Genghis Khan got his hands on the Olympic torch, he would have burned down the Olympic Village just for fun.

Thuggery? #1 on my list is Bill Laimbeer who tried to take Larry Bird's head off every time he came in the lane, and who released a video game called Combat Basketball in the 90s that was stupid but fun: Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nevermore2 said:

A little perspective on a team not named the Patriots from a fan that is not engulfed by the New England self love, and I'm removed from the conversation?

Fair enough. I thought the Steelers message board guys were kidding when they said you all were so touchy. I can't believe I actually now agree with a Steelers fan.

No need to ban me again..... I'll show myself out quietly and let you all get back to your sewing circle of self love.

Go Ravens!!! :rocker:

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I present to you Exhibit A

mojocaster.com said:

That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read on this forum, by a mile.

MLK was black. he spoke his mind. Some thug, he was.

I think what you meant to write was:

man who leaves two people stabbed to death on the side of the street, lies to the police, tells others to lie to the police, hides crucial evidence and pays off relatives to shut up = thug.

Dumbass.

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Nice try. MLK's strategy was to make peace with whites, never to provoke them or do anything that made them uncomfortable. Malcolm X is the better comparision. Believe me, he was labelled a "thug" and far worse.

I think what you meant to write, other than omitting the personal attack at the end, was:

I have no idea what happened that night but because I harbor an irrational hatred towards Ray Lewis, I choose to believe that he acted in a "thuggish" way.

letekro said:

Nice try. MLK's strategy was to make peace with whites, never to provoke them or do anything that made them uncomfortable. Malcolm X is the better comparision. Believe me, he was labelled a "thug" and far worse.

I think what you meant to write, other than omitting the personal attack at the end, was:

I have no idea what happened that night but because I harbor an irrational hatred towards Ray Lewis, I choose to believe that he acted in a "thuggish" way.

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FYI Bill Russell was more than outspoken.
While many were POed by his opinions and many didn't like him, nobody ever called the man a thug.

PatsWickedPissah said:

FYI Bill Russell was more than outspoken.
While many were POed by his opinions and many didn't like him, nobody ever called the man a thug.

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I'm not sure if "thug" had entered the mainstream lexicon as a way of describing a young black man at that time, but you're supporting my point by noting that many did not like Russell for no other reason than that he was an outspoken black man.

letekro said:

I'm not sure if "thug" had entered the mainstream lexicon as a way of describing a young black man at that time, but you're supporting my point by noting that many did not like Russell for no other reason than that he was an outspoken black man.

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No, he's not. You're supporting the view that people are way too sensitive, though.

Everytime I think some other team's fan base sucks the worst, a Ravens fan comes by, almost on cue, to remind me not to get ahead of myself.

lewis = POS

Uncle Rico said:

NFLN had a "special" video of his pre-game gig complete with sound. Something about the way he screams, or whatever, reminded me of Howard Dean.

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I didn't get the symbolism of having a patch of sod there for him to grab and toss. Oh well, must be another 'hood thang.

Tunescribe said:

I didn't get the symbolism of having a patch of sod there for him to grab and toss. Oh well, must be another 'hood thang.

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Yeah, nothing says 'hood like a patch of grass. ... I think it was more practical, giving him something to pull up and toss in the air. Bit of dirt, bit of grass. Cuz without it he might look, you know, silly.

Uncle Rico said:

Yeah, nothing says 'hood like a patch of grass. ... I think it was more practical, giving him something to pull up and toss in the air. Bit of dirt, bit of grass. Cuz without it he might look, you know, silly.

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I suppose it was more benign than waving a knife.

I'm more curious than ever now about the deep symbolism of urban sod tossing.

Let me begin by stating that I think troubling questions remain about Lewis's involvement in a terrible crime.

However, some of the anti-Lewis commentary in this thread has become, IMHO, racial in nature, to the point of being borderline hate speech.

You know who you are.

Welkerstache said:

Let me begin by stating that I think troubling questions remain about Lewis's involvement in a terrible crime.

However, some of the anti-Lewis commentary in this thread has become, IMHO, racial in nature, to the point of being borderline hate speech.

You know who you are.

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Hate speech? Really with this stuff? Are those same people bullying him, too? I don't like some of the crap being said about his past, either, but hate speech?





Man, this country really needs a beating.

letekro said:

What do you want him to do? Say that two of his friends killed somebody? He already did that in court. If my friends killed somebody and some blood ended up on my clothes, you better believe I am not saving those clothes for police inspection. All in all, I can't think of anything that Lewis did that I wouldn't do in the same situation. Again, his mistake was hanging with the wrong dudes. He paid for it. And now, 13 years later, all those that don't harbor an irrational hatred for the man have forgiven and forgotten.

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What are you, his lawyer? I don't have an "irrational hatred" for Ray Lewis--I don't really ever even think of the guy, except to maybe chuckle at his silly dances. But it's pretty asinine to proclaim that anyone has to "forgive and forget" that he was hanging out with his friends and, oops, two people got stabbed to death. Hey, who hasn't that happened to, right?

Please. I think if someone want to use the shorthand of "thug" for the guy, that can be excused. You seem much more worked up about the word than the fact that two people were killed. That's weird.