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After the drive that ended in their 2nd TD, RG3 went to get his knee examined by the Dr. The Dr. cleared him to continue to play. Had the Dr. not cleared him, the coach cannot override that decision. Fact.
NOT a fact, that is only the case with a head injury.

The Dr. cleared him to play. RG3 wanted to play. Shanahan decided that he gave them the best chance to win. They prepared RG3 for this game, not Cousins.
And Shanahan obviously made the wrong decision.

Had Shanahan followed the advice of columnists and so-called experts like yourself, and took RG3 out of the game, and then they end up losing the game; imagine the criticism he would have taken for not keeping him in the game with a 14 point lead.
Headlines: "RG3 pulled. Cousins ineffective in Seahawks road comeback win".
You are kidding right? Yuo think a HC should make decisions based on peing criticism proof?
Who cares about criticizing him for his player being injured?
So, after it played out like it did, Cousins did come in the game with about 5.5 minutes left, down 10. He had two drives. He finished 3 of 10 for 31 yards.
Down 10.

So I guess fans and sports journalists have better knowledge of the game and their players to make better in-game decisions than the coaches, trainers, and doctors who are actually on the sidelines. Gotcha.
Sometimes, otherwise you are saying every coach makes the correct decision every time. You can't be saying that can you?
 
After the drive that ended in their 2nd TD, RG3 went to get his knee examined by the Dr. The Dr. cleared him to continue to play. Had the Dr. not cleared him, the coach cannot override that decision. Fact.

The Dr. cleared him to play. RG3 wanted to play. Shanahan decided that he gave them the best chance to win. They prepared RG3 for this game, not Cousins.

Had Shanahan followed the advice of columnists and so-called experts like yourself, and took RG3 out of the game, and then they end up losing the game; imagine the criticism he would have taken for not keeping him in the game with a 14 point lead.

Headlines: "RG3 pulled. Cousins ineffective in Seahawks road comeback win".

So, after it played out like it did, Cousins did come in the game with about 5.5 minutes left, down 10. He had two drives. He finished 3 of 10 for 31 yards.

So I guess fans and sports journalists have better knowledge of the game and their players to make better in-game decisions than the coaches, trainers, and doctors who are actually on the sidelines. Gotcha.

I think you're wrong there. Griffin had no business playing in the 2nd half when he had zero mobility and an obvious limp. It ended up costing them the game when he couldn't even bend over to get a low snap. Playing Cousins could very well have meant a Skins win. Nobody will ever know, but playing RG3 gave them the worst result possible - 0 points and a huge 7-point turnover with the game on the line that was directly related to the injury.
 
You stated that the Seahawks' adjustments stopped Washington more than the injury of their franchise quarterback.

No I didn't. My assertion was that the Seahawks' adjustments were at least partially responsible, after another poster completely disregarded that point.

Then you couldn't name one adjustment they made (admitting that you didn't know - lack of knowledge/credibility),

If it makes you feel any better, I'll watch the game again on game rewind and get back to you. With the information I have right now, I can't give you more than that.

admitted that the threat of the read option no longer being there made things easier for your defense (blowing your own argument out of the water). I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Go back and read your posts in this thread all the way up to the last one you sent me.

I never admitted to such a thing. If you read my response carefully, I simply laid out that argument (which was made by someone else). I did not agree with said argument. The point (rebuttal) that I was making was that the Seahawks defense made adjustments and that it likely had an impact on shutting out the Redskins the rest of the way, while allowing less than 80 yards of offense, and not a single play run on the Seahawks' side of the field.

Are you going to sit there and attribute this comeback win solely on RG3 playing with a limp? Washington ran a total of six offensive plays in the 2nd quarter -- a quarter that the Seahawks dominated on the offensive side of the ball and put up 13 points. Did the Redskins' defense suddenly become inept too? Were they tired? It was only the 2nd quarter, and they barely had to play the 1st quarter.

Also, if you look back at the game, RG3 didn't even TRY to run again until the 4th quarter, and he ran for 9 yards. That leads me to believe that the threat of the read-option was there. Can I say for sure? No I can't, and neither can you.
 
Again, NE would have beaten the skins by 30!!! Especially with RGIII now one dimensional. Then again what do I know?
 
Again, NE would have beaten the skins by 30!!! Especially with RGIII now one dimensional. Then again what do I know?

Well for one, you can't "know" that with any certainty. If we can't beat the Jags by thirty, there no way you could know for sure we'd beat the Redskins by the same margin.
 
Well for one, you can't "know" that with any certainty. If we can't beat the Jags by thirty, there no way you could know for sure we'd beat the Redskins by the same margin.

I don't know but I am pretty sure it would be in that ball park. Jags game was an anomaly.
 
Your "truth" is laced with bias. That's his point. I could sit here and point out all the mistakes the Seahawks made in that game too -- the botched punt, the Zach Miller fumble at your 30 when we were driving for a score, Earl Thomas blown coverage to allow Welker to get behind him for a TD, etc., etc.

Since when do actual events not correspond to "the truth"?

Mistake free football tends to be associated with the more succesful team..........usually..........

What part of 475 yards of offense and 34 minutes TOP is getting dominated?

After Seattle scored on their first two drives, the Patriots defense completely shut them down for the next six drives. With 7:34 left in Q4, the scoreboard showed 10 points and 222 yards of offense for the Seahawks.

Why would Quest Field hold the truth back?

The game should have been over with 7:34 left in Q4.......absent the team not noted for dumb play...........making some really dumb plays.

No team, including the Patriots can play mistake prone, boneheaded football against a quality team like the Seahawks. Events of 14 Oct show that.

However, don't kid yourself into thinking some sort of physical domination was at play.
 
NOT a fact, that is only the case with a head injury.

I've read this somewhere years ago, and I heard two different sports radio shows mention this fact today.

And Shanahan obviously made the wrong decision.

Because they lost?

You are kidding right? Yuo think a HC should make decisions based on peing criticism proof?
Who cares about criticizing him for his player being injured?

I never said that. I'm not sure how you interpreted it as such.


You can still play your game being down 10 points with 5:30 left in the game. You can at least get into range for a score. 31 yards. 3 for 10. Not a single play in Seahawks territory. You really think Cousins would have came in and saved the day with an ineffective running game? Also, don't forget the other side of the ball. The Seahawks offense was nearly unstoppable in the 2nd half. That goal line fumble delayed the inevitable and made the game look closer than it was.

Sometimes, otherwise you are saying every coach makes the correct decision every time. You can't be saying that can you?

No. I'm saying it's easy for you and me to sit here and judge a coach's decisions without having all the facts and knowledge. They get paid to make these decisions. You can second-guess them all you want.
 
Well for one, you can't "know" that with any certainty. If we can't beat the Jags by thirty, there no way you could know for sure we'd beat the Redskins by the same margin.

It's one thing to play devil's advocate. It's another to make a really silly post like the one you made here.
 
Since when do actual events not correspond to "the truth"?

When you only point out the events on one side of the coin.

Mistake free football tends to be associated with the more succesful team..........usually..........

What part of 475 yards of offense and 34 minutes TOP is getting dominated?

Again, looking at one side of the coin.

Patriots: 5.59 yards per play
Seahawks: 6.69 yards per play

After Seattle scored on their first two drives, the Patriots defense completely shut them down for the next six drives. With 7:34 left in Q4, the scoreboard showed 10 points and 222 yards of offense for the Seahawks.

Why would Quest Field hold the truth back?

The game should have been over with 7:34 left in Q4.......absent the team not noted for dumb play...........making some really dumb plays.

Lucky for us, they don't end the games in the NFL with 7 minutes left in the 4th Quarter.

No team, including the Patriots can play mistake prone, boneheaded football against a quality team like the Seahawks. Events of 14 Oct show that.

And no team should play mistake prone, bone-headed football against an elite team like the Patriots and be able to pull out a win. Yet, they did.

However, don't kid yourself into thinking some sort of physical domination was at play.

I wouldn't say a 1 point win would constitute "domination" of any kind.
 
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It's one thing to play devil's advocate. It's another to make a really silly post like the one you made here.

You're not really one to call another's post stupid after your 1+1=3 logic in the Welker thread (relating letting Welker walk to trading Brady). But what is silly about questioning a meaningless certainty that we'd have beaten the Redskins by 30 points?
 
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No I didn't. My assertion was that the Seahawks' adjustments were at least partially responsible, after another poster completely disregarded that point.

Sure you have. You've been trying to drive home that point ever since page 2. You've made it quite clear that you believe Seattle's defensive adjustments (which you can't name) were more responsible than Griffin getting hurt. Come on now.

If it makes you feel any better, I'll watch the game again on game rewind and get back to you. With the information I have right now, I can't give you more than that.

That's beside the point. If you put forth the notion that the adjustments were most responsible for slowing down the Redskins, you should know what adjustments they made (spying the quarterback, for example) BEFORE you put forth said notion. You shouldn't have to go back and watch the game afterward.

I never admitted to such a thing. If you read my response carefully, I simply laid out that argument (which was made by someone else). I did not agree with said argument. The point (rebuttal) that I was making was that the Seahawks defense made adjustments and that it likely had an impact on shutting out the Redskins the rest of the way, while allowing less than 80 yards of offense, and not a single play run on the Seahawks' side of the field.

With that said, someone else (maybe it was you) made a point about removing the threat of the read option and that allowing the Seahawks defense to simplify their strategy and focus purely on Morris as the sole running threat. I don't know. But, I do know that Morris was gashing our defense in the 1st quarter even on conventional rushing plays, and that slowed down a lot after being down 14-0.

What you're saying in the quote and what's bolded sure don't look all that similar.

Are you going to sit there and attribute this comeback win solely on RG3 playing with a limp? Washington ran a total of six offensive plays in the 2nd quarter -- a quarter that the Seahawks dominated on the offensive side of the ball and put up 13 points. Did the Redskins' defense suddenly become inept too? Were they tired? It was only the 2nd quarter, and they barely had to play the 1st quarter.

No. I thought him playing with a limp made it a lot easier on the Seahawks, but Seattle also needed to execute. I don't think you'll actually see anybody trying to make that argument, in all reality. Most people who watch football know that Seattle had to execute to take advantage of a hurt RGIII. Most people that watch football also know that RGIII is pretty much THE reason for the Redskins success, and that him playing on a bum knee made the game a lost cause for the Redskins, who were blowing you off the field prior to the knee going. Specifically when their coach decided to keep him in the game.

Also, if you look back at the game, RG3 didn't even TRY to run again until the 4th quarter, and he ran for 9 yards. That leads me to believe that the threat of the read-option was there. Can I say for sure? No I can't, and neither can you.

Just because he tried to run doesn't mean the threat was there. Griffin has three of his five rushing attempts prior to the injury, then only two after that (one where it was very obvious just how hurt he was as he limped out of bounds). Further, if the fans watching (a lot of whom know very little to nothing about football) could tell that Griffin was hobbled, thereby taking away the read option, the players and coaching staff certainly could tell. Griffin was no longer a threat on the ground after that which simplified things tenfold for the Seahawks.

EDIT: By the way, I picked the Seahawks to win by two touchdowns, so I really don't have that big of a dog in this fight. But it's kind of hard to deny that they were getting their teeth kicked in by Griffin and the read option before the injury and subsequent mistake occurred.

Further, at this point in time, you've already blown your own argument completely up and essentially admitted that you have nothing to back your earlier claim. It would probably be best to bow out of the thread.
 
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I know his nickname, I chose instead to identify him by his initials

So do you do this with every NFL player, or just the one that some numbskulls erroneously describe as "AP"?
 
Further, at this point in time, you've already blown your own argument completely up and essentially admitted that you have nothing to back your earlier claim. It would probably be best to bow out of the thread.

Time to perform the Fatality.
 
When you only point out the events on one side of the coin.



Again, looking at one side of the coin.

Patriots: 5.59 yards per play
Seahawks: 6.69 yards per play

Ask Chad Henne, Dan Orlovsky, Vince Young, and Jason Campbell how "career days" go.


Lucky for us, they don't end the games in the NFL with 7 minutes left in the 4th Quarter.

Luckier for you, the Patriots played some mistake filled boneheaded football.......which allowed the final 7:34 to actually matter.


And no team should play mistake prone, bone-headed football against an elite team like the Patriots and be able to pull out a win. Yet, they did.

See above

I wouldn't say a 1 point win would constitute "domination" of any kind.

So what exactly are you so mad about? Patriots fans do tend to admit when the Patriots are fortunate to escape with a win.
 
You're not really one to call another's post stupid after your 1+1=3 logic in the Welker thread (relating letting Welker walk to trading Brady). But what is silly about questioning a meaningless certainty that we'd have beaten the Redskins by 30 points?

Actually, the point there was based on the "focus on defense" comment after the poster said they should just let Welker walk, and was a deliberate ramping up of a poster's weird position for effect. Your post remains ridiculous. You're basically trolling today, which is something you like to do and I have no problem with, but you're doing it with really bad posts.
 
Actually, the point there was based on the "focus on defense" comment after the poster said they should just let Welker walk, and was a deliberate ramping up of a poster's weird position for effect. Your post remains ridiculous. You're basically trolling today, which is something you like to do and I have no problem with, but you're doing it with really bad posts.

You can't see the double standards in that post can you?

Whatever.
 
Sure you have. You've been trying to drive home that point ever since page 2. You've made it quite clear that you believe Seattle's defensive adjustments (which you can't name) were more responsible than Griffin getting hurt. Come on now.

You went to the trouble of quoting me below, but not here. Gee, I wonder why. I also wonder why you're so adamant about forcing me to take a position that I never took just to fit your argument. :rolleyes:

That's beside the point. If you put forth the notion that the adjustments were most responsible for slowing down the Redskins, you should know what adjustments they made (spying the quarterback, for example) BEFORE you put forth said notion. You shouldn't have to go back and watch the game afterward.

I based that statement on the game's results, and the fact that teams in the NFL are capable of making adjustments -- especially teams that are better than their opponent (like the Seahawks were), and got blitzkrieg'd to the tune of 14-0 right out of the gate. Tell me, if the Patriots were playing vs an inferior team and went down 14-0 early, then came back and rattled off 24 straight points to win the game...are you going to tell me that game-time adjustments weren't at least partially responsible for that, regardless of whatever injuries were on the other side??? :confused:

With that said, someone else (maybe it was you) made a point about removing the threat of the read option and that allowing the Seahawks defense to simplify their strategy and focus purely on Morris as the sole running threat. I don't know. But, I do know that Morris was gashing our defense in the 1st quarter even on conventional rushing plays, and that slowed down a lot after being down 14-0.

What you're saying in the quote and what's bolded sure don't look all that similar.

It does to me, and anyone else who has a good grasp of the English langugage. Read it again carefully. Here, I'll help you. Everything before the word "someone" and after the word "point" is irrelevant to the context of what I said. So here's the statement. Ready?

"Someone else made a point... I don't know."

Not "I agree". Not "I concur". "I don't know". Again, I never agreed with said argument. I merely pointed it out as a possibility.

EDIT: By the way, I picked the Seahawks to win by two touchdowns, so I really don't have that big of a dog in this fight. But it's kind of hard to deny that they were getting their teeth kicked in by Griffin and the read option before the injury and subsequent mistake occurred.

That's about the only thing I can agree with you on. :D
 
So do you do this with every NFL player, or just the one that some numbskulls erroneously describe as "AP"?

When the player/person I am talking about is more or less obvious, I use initials, I have done this often with not only Peterson but BB, PM, BJGE and so on...though your fiery reaction to me using AP, rather than AD interests me
 
I am impressed with what Seattle has done. But yesterday I thought they were very beatable and not a wagon.
 
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