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For those interested, video of Dexter McCoil, Safety out of Tulsa. As discovered by Mackenzie and Merrill:

Dexter McCoil vs Arkansas (2012) - YouTube

I'm impressed. Nice range in coverage and pretty good angles in the run game. Very good value for later in the draft.

It's as simple as this; I've never scouted a 222lbs safety with 17 career interceptions. Range and ball skills with his kind of size is tough to find
 
When it comes to Quessenberry, you are talking about a guy with just average measurables who has played a lot of mediocre competition in his career. If you ignore that, you see that he is perfect in every way on film. Fundamentals are phenomenal. Most consistently productive pass blocker in this draft class. I'm yet to see him allow a quarterback pressure. On field awareness is off the charts. Gotta give the SJSU coach credit, because I've never seen a group of offensive linemen so in sync with each other. There was one awesome play in particular. Quessenberry vs Ansah. Left guard is helping the center double team the nose tackle. Quessenberry blocks Ansah, then sees a linebacker (possibly Van Noy) coming on a delayed blitz. He yells out a call, moves Ansah to the left guard, then blocks the linebacker. He literally blocked two players on one play. It was awesome.

In 2 games (BYU in 2012 and UCLA in 2011), I've seen him make 4 mistakes. I'm yet to see him allow a quarterback pressure, but, as a run blocker, I once saw him allow his man to make an arm tackle in traffic, once saw him fail a cut block, and twice seen him try to lunge his body into a block but whiff as the opponent did a Jarvis Jones like stutter step to get a round him (once against UCLA, Van Noy did it the other time). But his strength is phenomenal, he plays with a chip on his shoulder (like all former walk-ons), his footwork is terrific, he is smart, and he creates a really wide base. The only long term problem I see from him is a lack of quickness in all directions. He'll never be able to block quick linebackers against the run, who should be able to dance around him. That being said, as a pass blocker, he has solid lateral agility, and he's always in good position, so it doesn't affect him much there. Just a really good player
 
When it comes to Quessenberry, you are talking about a guy with just average measurables who has played a lot of mediocre competition in his career. If you ignore that, you see that he is perfect in every way on film. Fundamentals are phenomenal. Most consistently productive pass blocker in this draft class. I'm yet to see him allow a quarterback pressure. On field awareness is off the charts. Gotta give the SJSU coach credit, because I've never seen a group of offensive linemen so in sync with each other. There was one awesome play in particular. Quessenberry vs Ansah. Left guard is helping the center double team the nose tackle. Quessenberry blocks Ansah, then sees a linebacker (possibly Van Noy) coming on a delayed blitz. He yells out a call, moves Ansah to the left guard, then blocks the linebacker. He literally blocked two players on one play. It was awesome.

In 2 games (BYU in 2012 and UCLA in 2011), I've seen him make 4 mistakes. I'm yet to see him allow a quarterback pressure, but, as a run blocker, I once saw him allow his man to make an arm tackle in traffic, once saw him fail a cut block, and twice seen him try to lunge his body into a block but whiff as the opponent did a Jarvis Jones like stutter step to get a round him (once against UCLA, Van Noy did it the other time). But his strength is phenomenal, he plays with a chip on his shoulder (like all former walk-ons), his footwork is terrific, he is smart, and he creates a really wide base. The only long term problem I see from him is a lack of quickness in all directions. He'll never be able to block quick linebackers against the run, who should be able to dance around him. That being said, as a pass blocker, he has solid lateral agility, and he's always in good position, so it doesn't affect him much there. Just a really good player

It's interesting that a guy like him, with poor measurables, can succeed, while a guy like Bruce Campbell, with great measurables, can fail.
 
hey guys im new to this forum who do you think the pats will target in the first round? I see them going after Ansah, Jenkins, Austin and Banks. In the second round i see them going after lemonier, Quinton Patton, Arthur Brown, and Hopkins and in the third round i think theyll go for philip thomas or leon mcfadden
 
When it comes to Quessenberry, you are talking about a guy with just average measurables who has played a lot of mediocre competition in his career. If you ignore that, you see that he is perfect in every way on film. Fundamentals are phenomenal. Most consistently productive pass blocker in this draft class. I'm yet to see him allow a quarterback pressure. On field awareness is off the charts. Gotta give the SJSU coach credit, because I've never seen a group of offensive linemen so in sync with each other. There was one awesome play in particular. Quessenberry vs Ansah. Left guard is helping the center double team the nose tackle. Quessenberry blocks Ansah, then sees a linebacker (possibly Van Noy) coming on a delayed blitz. He yells out a call, moves Ansah to the left guard, then blocks the linebacker. He literally blocked two players on one play. It was awesome.

In 2 games (BYU in 2012 and UCLA in 2011), I've seen him make 4 mistakes. I'm yet to see him allow a quarterback pressure, but, as a run blocker, I once saw him allow his man to make an arm tackle in traffic, once saw him fail a cut block, and twice seen him try to lunge his body into a block but whiff as the opponent did a Jarvis Jones like stutter step to get a round him (once against UCLA, Van Noy did it the other time). But his strength is phenomenal, he plays with a chip on his shoulder (like all former walk-ons), his footwork is terrific, he is smart, and he creates a really wide base. The only long term problem I see from him is a lack of quickness in all directions. He'll never be able to block quick linebackers against the run, who should be able to dance around him. That being said, as a pass blocker, he has solid lateral agility, and he's always in good position, so it doesn't affect him much there. Just a really good player

One thing about Quessenberry: is he actually too small(!) for the Patriots?
 
One thing about Quessenberry: is he actually too small(!) for the Patriots?

I don't think so, the only thing that bothers me is his short area quickness, or lack of.
 
Saw Leon McFadden in the bowl game. Very disappointed. Not because he played poorly, but he spent the game covering Ross Apo instead of Cody Hoffman, so it wasn't a challenge. He dominated Apo though, but it was easy.
 
I don't think so, the only thing that bothers me is his short area quickness, or lack of.

It's fair. He also has some flexibility problems (LA Tech game against a 6'1 defensive end). But, still, there comes a point where a player's measurables don't matter because he is simply dominant. I simply can't imagine anyone playing better than him at offensive tackle at any level. He is just so good for SJSU.

Oh, and Ryan Otten=Coby Fleener
 
Saw Leon McFadden in the bowl game. Very disappointed. Not because he played poorly, but he spent the game covering Ross Apo instead of Cody Hoffman, so it wasn't a challenge. He dominated Apo though, but it was easy.

McFadden always lines up on the left hand side.
 
Regardless, I never saw him challenged against a respectable receiver. Dominating Apo doesn't mean much

Trust me, McFadden is the real deal. He may not be a dominating type with elite speed or size but he's about as solid as they come. Very intelligent in coverage, outstanding ability to close on a receiver, fluid hips and has excellent recovery speed.
 
Trust me, McFadden is the real deal. He may not be a dominating type with elite speed or size but he's about as solid as they come. Very intelligent in coverage, outstanding ability to close on a receiver, fluid hips and has excellent recovery speed.
He couldn't have played better, but I don't know how good he is until he is challenged. I might as well have no notes on him. I can't really tell how good he is. What you say does intrigue me, though
 
I wouuld guess 6th maybe 5th at most . He wasn't even all conference in what is considered a weak conference....well actually I checked again and he is first team on at least some.

Bussey-bust was first team all big east and busted for us. So I don't think that means he's automatic. NFL draft scout has him pretty low.

Umm.. Not sure where you saw that Quessenberry wasn't even "All-Confernce" because, on 12/7/12 that is exactly what he was named. 1st team All-WAC Conference (Coaches Selection).

Bussey didn't make it because of injury..
 
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One thing about Quessenberry: is he actually too small(!) for the Patriots?

Quessenberry projects to be 6'5 and 295 by NFLDraftScout.com I would say that projects pretty damn good for an OG for the Pats..
 
Quessenberry projects to be 6'5 and 295 by NFLDraftScout.com I would say that projects pretty damn good for an OG for the Pats..

Quessenberry's one problem as a pass blocker is that he lacks flexibility, and struggles to get good leverage against shorter players. He's not a good fit at guard, because of the lack of height you see from defensive tackles
 
I've followed the draft for years. I remember scrawling x's and o's along with my personnel plan in 7th grade history class. I'm 22 now. I really like this site for its intelligent members, and I check the draft area frequently. I suppose I should start posting because I have stuff to add. Here's a mock I just did for my team., the 49ers Let me know what you think about it as well as the players individually.

2. (Trade) Jordan Reed TE, Florida - 6'3" 255 (Junior)
He should be a 1,000 yard receiver type player given enough opportunities. Very fast, very nimble. Very good hands and concentration to hold on. His blocking is kind of weak, but he could also stand to gain 10 pounds and learn some actual pro-style technique (Florida runs shotgun 99% of the time). His build (strong midsection) suggests potential in this area.

2. Levine Toilolo TE, Stanford - 6'7" 265 (Junior)
Very big, athletic TE that creates huge mismatches. He's a very strong blocker inside. He can run routes over the middle as well as on the outside as a WR. He will beat all defenders on jump balls. He's a tough player who's better days are still ahead of him. Fun facts: Cousins include Edwin Mulitalo and Joe Salave'a. Harbaugh quoted as saying, "Even when he's covered, he's not covered. He's athletic enough to make those catches." Beat Fleener, Ertz, and Konrad Reuland for starting TE spot as a redshirt freshman before tearing his knee in a game early that year. Knowing his knee health will be an important factor in deciding on Toilolo. He could possibly gain more explosion back with time and with taking off his knee braces.

3. (CAR) Kapron Lewis-Moore DT, Notre Dame - 6'4" 300
Great hand strength to break blocks for sacks and tackles. Good athlete. Can rush from the 5 technique all the way to the 1. Strong. Smart. A leader that could be a foundational piece for the D-line.

3. (Trade) Stedman Bailey WR, West Virginia - 5'10" 190
Playmaker. Great suddenness for separation in the short passing game. A speed threat to go deep. Great ball skills and body control. Great run after the catch ability. There's really a lot to like about him. He needs work on route running technique, but I don't think it'll be an issue.

3. Le'Veon Bell HB, Michigan State - 6'2" 242 (Junior)
Very, very hard to bring down. Shows a lot of heart and desire when running. Solid full-stride speed in open field. Role will be as an inside the tackles runner to counter LaMichael James' speed. His talent is electric. You just don't find running backs like this very often.

4. Rashard Hall FS, Clemson - 6'1" 210
Can play FS or SS, but his best spot is at centerfield, similar to Goldson. Very rangy. He really attacks when he tackles, also similar to Goldson. He has good instincts to play all over the field. That's really the key for a safety, so I think he will be a good player.

5. (IND) Brandon Williams NG, Missouri Southern State - 6'2" 325
Not a sloppy 325. Well "built" (if being roundish is built) nose tackle that plays with good leverage and quickness. Dare I say he reminds me a tinsy bit of Vince Wilfork?

5. Cornelius Washington OLB, Georgia - 6'4" 270
Fantastic triangle numbers, but raw technique, low productivity his senior year, and occasional questionable effort. Supposedly ran a 4.29 40. Take that with a grain of salt, but he is fast. He's immature, but I believe he will develop. (Just from what I've seen...)

5. (Comp) Terron Armstead OT, Arkansas Pine Bluff - 6'5" 320
One of the most athletic offensive linemen that I have scouted. He can pull like a fullback practically. He's very nimble in pass protection. I think he could definitely start at left tackle eventually. He's physical in the ground game. Ideal size for an OT. There's a whole lot to like from the limited stuff I've seen. Could be a huge, huge steal.

6. (CAR) Brian Winters OG, Kent State - 6'5" 320
He's a left tackle right now. Built very thick. He has great strength along with a mean streak and pretty good quickness, at least in close quarters. He looks like a major steal at guard to me. I would even say that, with time, he could start for us. His stock might have risen far beyond this draft position. I really like him, but lower priority of the position put him in the 6th round.

6. Xavier Brewer CB, Clemson - 5'11" 195
Very fast and nimble. Strong for his size. Good tackler. Good press corner. Good blitzer. Can play some safety too.

6. (Comp) David Bass OLB, Missouri Western State - 6'5" 270
Set school record for sacks in a career, albeit at a no-name school. High character. Very rangy player that is surprisingly really good in coverage. As a rusher, my limited views show solid hand use. Can't comment more. He has great upside and could be a fantastic steal.

7. (CIN) Jordan Rodgers QB, Vanderbilt - 6'2" 220
A raw QB with lots of tools. Arm strength, athleticism, instincts. He needs coaching on footwork and reading defenses, which will be right in our wheelhouse.

7. Russell Shepard WR, LSU - 6'1" 200
Somewhat of an unknown because he never got a great deal of time at WR in college. He came in as a blue chip dual threat QB. He's really, really fast. He has run after the catch ability. Good hand eye coordination. I think he got caught up in a situation with too much talent at LSU, and the coaches were more interested in playing younger talent by the time he was a senior. He could be a nice sleeper.

UDFA. John Lotulelei MLB, UNLV - 6'1" 240
Can't miss this guy on the field with his long Hawaiian hair. He's an intense player. Great at getting off blocks. Good athlete. He's been a defensive leader for UNLV, and I think he will come in and take pride on special teams.
 
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I've followed the draft for years. I remember scrawling x's and o's along with my personnel plan in 7th grade history class. I'm 22 now. I really like this site for its intelligent members, and I check the draft area frequently. I suppose I should start posting because I have stuff to add. Here's a mock I just did for my team. Let me know what you think about it as well as the players individually.

I'm a bit confused. I gather this is a mock you did for the 49ers, since at one point you refer to Le'Veon Bell complementing LaMichael James. It would help to be clear.

You have a lot of good prospects listed, though I think the valuations are a bit off. No way Brian Winters lasts to the 6th round. I love Brandon Williams, but think he goes earlier. Not sure Reed and Toilolu come out this year.
 


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