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gronk > davis + walker

don't even bother trying

notice i said "recovering from injury" gronk... did you read my entire post? a fully healthy gronk possibly is > vd + delanie combo... definately better than VD when both are healthy. i mean, the guy is coming off a broken forearm... :confused:
 
49er fan here just to give an opponent’s perspective on the game this Sunday Night. I will be brutally honest when I say that all the realistic 49er fans in the Bay Area know that this will NOT be a cakewalk for the 49ers in Foxboro, in any way, shape or form. However, I think the 49ers will definitely put up one of the best fights, if not the best, the Patriots have seen ALL season (yes, even the Ravens and Steelers). Here are my reasons why:

1) The Patriots do not have a lot of experience playing the 49ers. This can go both ways as well but I think this presents the factor of the unknown. The Patriots have had tough battles against the Steelers and Ravens every year, but you guys know those teams VERY well which is why the match-up is always very close. You can reference the battles that the 49ers have had with the Rams this season in comparison. The Rams are not among the best teams in the NFL, HOWEVER, they match up very well with the 49ers and also are very familiar with each other (we play each other twice a year). I think this means that anything is really up for grabs this game and I wouldn’t be surprised if the 49ers defense holds Tom Brady and the office to under 20 points. To assume this game will be a blow-out in the Pats favor would be idiotic…

2) Physicality is the name of our game. Ever since Harbaugh took over the reins in SF, he and his coaching staff has taken this defense to beastly level. Every game we have played this year, our defense has left the other team dazed and confused (you can argue the game against the Giants was the only one where our defense was flat). It will take PERFECT execution by the Patriots offense to avoid at least a few turnovers due to big hits by Goldson/Whitner/Bowman/Willis or sacks by Aldon. Also, look out for one of the most underrated LB’s on our team not named Willis, Bowman, or Aldon. I of course would be referring to Ahmad Brooks. I don’t doubt that the Patriots can’t deliver that perfect game but our defense is on a mission to prove a point… I also would not be surprised if we shut down Ridley/Vereen/Woodhead to under 100 yards rushing leaving the game in Brady’s hands…

3) The tempo of the game by the Patriots and how the 49ers defense adjust will be key. The good thing about our defense is we have VERY good depth on defense so it wouldn’t be a difficult to give our players a breather between plays. With that said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Harbaugh also came out with a “No Huddle” of his own with Kaepernick running this offense. Along with Gore and Lamichael James, I can see big plays coming out of a ‘No Huddle’ while the Patriots defense tries to decipher what is going on with all the shifts/motions/formations/read-option/flea flicker/etc. The 49ers biggest problem (quite literally) will be dealing with Wilfork. We have had problems in the past dealing with “huge” NT’s like Ngata so the match-up between Wilfork and Goodwin/Iupati/Boone will be interesting. However, our OL is chalk full of 1st rounders that actually play and look like 1st rounders so I don’t have too much trouble sleeping at night.

4) I also expect Special Teams to play a HUGE role. We will need to make sure we contain Wes Welker in the return game and we need to hope David Akers shows signs of his old All-Pro and Pro-bowl self and not what he has shown the last couple weeks… ehhh

At the end of the day, I think the score will be extremely close and “low” for the Patriots standards and will be the hardest hitting football game on Sunday Night this season… 49ers 20 – Patriots 17

Pretty respectful post but seems like everything favors the 49ers ...:(
 
notice i said "recovering from injury" gronk... did you read my entire post? a fully healthy gronk possibly is > vd + delanie combo... definately better than VD when both are healthy. i mean, the guy is coming off a broken forearm... :confused:

the original point was whetehr the pats could cover davis.....and the answer is sure, why not? they cover better in practice.......right now, davis + walker is roughly equal to hernandez + fells or hernandez + hoomanawanui....that's all you get
 
who gives a crap about 'speed/size' combination......gronk is both a better and more productive pass cathcer and a MUCH MUCH better blocker. and hernandez is much more versatile than either.....so yeah, the pats defense has to work against a better TE in practice

VD can't hold gronk's jock.....literally and figuratively.....any questions?

besides......of you combine size and speed I'm not sure VD beats gronk anyway....gronk is much bigger and I don't think VD is that much faster

Ok, I think you have a subjective bias showing here. And your statements tell me you don't really know anything about VD. For one, he has been called the best blocking TE in the league for years now. And I guarantee VD is faster than Gronk. We are talking 4.3...4.4 speed here.

While we will never know, if you guys had VD, it scares me to think of what he could be. But truth be told, he has been hamstrung a bit in the Niners offense for his career.
 
You mean besides the Packers, Seahawks and Bears games?

the packers looked worse than the pats in september
LOL..the bears....yeah....jason campbell and possible one of the worst 3 OL's in the NFL the bears are going where? they couldn't beat the vikings. they couldn't beat the rams....the giants made them look like a joke
as for the seahawks.....depends on who shows up...they couldnt beat the dolphins

if anyone calls the broncos posers, then they gotta call the niners the same thing.....

sorry....I ain't buying on this team...solid, too set in its ways......versatility will kill them.
 
Ok, I think you have a subjective bias showing here. And your statements tell me you don't really know anything about VD. For one, he has been called the best blocking TE in the league for years now. And I guarantee VD is faster than Gronk. We are talking 4.3...4.4 speed here.

While we will never know, if you guys had VD, it scares me to think of what he could be. But truth be told, he has been hamstrung a bit in the Niners offense for his career.

who calls him one of the best blocking TE's in the league? people in the bay area?

sorry......he can't touch gronk, and it's not even close in any facet of the game......so what if he has 4.3 speed....it has never translated to sundays
 
Pretty respectful post but seems like everything favors the 49ers ...:(

Never confuse respectful with unbiased
 
the packers looked worse than the pats in september
LOL..the bears....yeah....jason campbell and possible one of the worst 3 OL's in the NFL the bears are going where? they couldn't beat the vikings. they couldn't beat the rams....the giants made them look like a joke
as for the seahawks.....depends on who shows up...they couldnt beat the dolphins

if anyone calls the broncos posers, then they gotta call the niners the same thing.....

sorry....I ain't buying on this team...solid, too set in its ways......versatility will kill them.

doesn't make much sense to bring up the teams that the 49ers beat without bringing up the teams the patriots loss to... the cardinals in foxboro and the seahawks in seattle? keep in mind, we have a pretty good record against seattle in seattle so i'm expecting to win in week 16 when we have to travel there :rocker: . with that said, this should still be a VERY close game and i still give the niners the slight edge.

like someone said earlier, winning in the nfl isn't an easy thing. a win is a win and the pats and 49ers have almost identical records with the pats having the 1/2 game edge.
 
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3) The tempo of the game by the Patriots and how the 49ers defense adjust will be key. The good thing about our defense is we have VERY good depth on defense so it wouldn’t be a difficult to give our players a breather between plays.

I don't know your team very well, so I have to defer to your better knowledge, but when 10 guys have played between 91% and 98% of the defensive snap count this season, the other guys on the roster can't have gotten on the field that much. Also, the no huddle and up tempo pace makes it hard to "give our players a breather between plays".

With that said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Harbaugh also came out with a “No Huddle” of his own with Kaepernick running this offense. Along with Gore and Lamichael James, I can see big plays coming out of a ‘No Huddle’ while the Patriots defense tries to decipher what is going on with all the shifts/motions/formations/read-option/flea flicker/etc.

This could be an interesting approach. Not many teams have tried to give the Pats a dose of their own medicine. James came out of Chip Kelly's system at Oregon, so he's certainly used to it, and Kaepernick fits that style quite well.

The 49ers biggest problem (quite literally) will be dealing with Wilfork. We have had problems in the past dealing with “huge” NT’s like Ngata so the match-up between Wilfork and Goodwin/Iupati/Boone will be interesting. However, our OL is chalk full of 1st rounders that actually play and look like 1st rounders so I don’t have too much trouble sleeping at night. [/quote]

The Ravens held the 49ers to 74 yards rushing last year, and Frank Gore to only 39. I'm sure BB will have looked at that film. Obviously, Kaepernick adds a huge additional dimension.
 
doesn't make much sense to bring up the teams that the 49ers beat without bringing up the teams the patriots loss to... the cardinals in foxboro and the seahawks in seattle? keep in mind, we have a pretty good record against seattle in seattle so i'm expecting to win in week 16 when we have to travel there :rocker: . with that said, this should still be a VERY close game and i still give the niners the slight edge

Wow, I am shocked!
 
sorry......he can't touch gronk, and it's not even close in any facet of the game......so what if he has 4.3 speed....it has never translated to sundays

Your right, his record setting performance against the Saints in last year's playoffs was on a Saturday
 
Wow, I am shocked!

this is coming from a person that has watched every 49er game this season and only highlights of patriots games. i know the 49ers love the hard hitting grind-it-out type of game and i have a feeling this weekend will be no different. of course, you Pats fans have been watching the most prolific offense in the nfl every week so i don't expect you to take my opinion kindly ;)
 
this is coming from a person that has watched every 49er game this season and only highlights of patriots games. i know the 49ers love the hard hitting grind-it-out type of game and i have a feeling this weekend will be no different. of course, you Pats fans have been watching the most prolific offense in the nfl every week so i don't expect you to take my opinion kindly ;)

I meant no ill-will - I do not expect a fan to go against his/her team - I would expect nothing less than your prediction.
 
I hope our boys come out & take care bussiness on Sunday night. This game against the 49ers will be our last true test of the season. I'm not looking past the Jags or Dolphins either. But I think the Jags will get stomped & we'll pretty much have everybody (Gronk,Cunningham & Branch) back against the Dolphins!
 
I still contend the more physical team (all three phases) wins.
 
I love how 49ers fans think the Patriots are still finesse. Get with the times, people.
 
Your right, his record setting performance against the Saints in last year's playoffs was on a Saturday

LOL.......last year? you're talking one game? how about THE ENTIRE SEASON? gronk had the best season ever for a TE almost 1400 yards and 17 TDs

at the same time davis was gettin 180 yards and 2 TD's, gronk was catching 145 yards and 3 TD's....I'll take the TD's

37 TD's in 42 games.....davis? 40TD's in 101 games
davis went 45 games before his first 100 yard game.....gronk has had 10 in 42 games.

fact is, no TE has ever had a 1st 42 games like gronk......

which TE has the most yards in a season? how about most TD's in a season?

try again
 
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I love how 49ers fans think the Patriots are still finesse. Get with the times, people.

I respect how physical the 49ers are. But it would not shock me to see the Pats go toe to toe with them. They've done it before with Pittsburgh and Baltimore and held their own.

It's also a bit ironic to me to see this "finesse vs. physical" spin, having lived in the Bay Area during the 80s when the "finesse" 49ers and their potent offense went up against the Parcells-Belichick "physical" Giants over and over again. I don't think there's much that anyone can teach BB about a physical defense. I'm sure he's respectful of and full of admiration for the 49ers defense, but he won't be intimidated by it, and neither will Brady and company.
 
I wish 49ers on there forum actually gave us some insight from their side on the game rather than whining about refs and flags. Seems like they're preparing an excuse for if they lose. Pretty lame.
 
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