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...- Crabtree: someone mentioned something to the effect of him being just a possession receiver and not being someone to worry much about. Crabtree has increasingly been both our key target on 3rd down, and our main guy for YAC. And we're increasingly running plays where we get the ball into his hands and expect him to get YAC (slants reminiscent of the old days - or like you guys run). How does your secondary tackle? Not asking to be facetious, I honestly don't know. The ability to wrap up is very important against both Crabtree and Vernon Davis. ...

I really want to see who Belichick puts on Crabtree, especially if Manningham is good to go, because that will say a lot about what he thinks of his corners. I think most people here regard Dennard as a fine CB in short, but somewhat suspect as you lengthen the field. If he gets put on Manningham/Moss, and he is left alone with them, that will tell us that Belichick thinks the kid has full-field coverage ability. It would also mean that the Patriots would be able to really focus on Davis, which I think would make a huge difference in the 10 yards +/- passing range.
 
This is going to be the toughest regular season game we play all year.

SF have talent at almost every level. It will be a great matchup for our OL against an elite front 7 of the 49ers.

It will also be a great match-up for our front 7 against an elite running game of the 49ers.

It's a pity Gronk and Edelman is out for this one as it will inhibit us somewhat to featuring Hern, Welker and the Run game but i don't see that as to bad an outcome as i would like to see how our running game fares against this good front as i see it as a big key to victory.

I think the keys for defense this week could end up being the play of Hightower and Spikes. Can they help stop the run? Will they be able to cover Davis if need be?

Very interesting match-ups this week
 
Wilfork has made a mess out opponents between the tackles.....look for that to continue

A.Smith's 19 sacks is impressive but PATs have a
difference maker also .... Vince Wilfork just not in sacks credited

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This game is going to be so much fun. I ready all 13 pages to make sure I didn't miss anything before I made my comments. Some great stuff here, including some excellent stuff by the Niner fans. They've been described as assclowns on a lot of threads that describe their boards, but the ones that have migrated here have been excellent. OK lots of stuff, I hope I can remember it all.

Comments on the Niner D. vs the Pats O

1. If Gronk and Edelman were available I'd have no worry about this game, because the fact is that when a great offense can spread the field against a great defense in today's NFL, the great offense is going to win. Its as simple as that. That being said, Gronk and Edelman are NOT going to be there on Sunday night and running an effective spread will be that much harder and the outcome could be in doubt.

2. I found the stats the Niner snap count for their defense astounding. As a Pats fan I can only dream about that kind of good health for my team. And I believe the Niner fan who commented on the excellence of the Niner nickel defense.

3. But here are the some of the problems the Niners are going to have......especially if they keep their guys on the field as long as they do. The Pats will show their 2 TE 1 RB formations from both the gun and under C as their base defense. From that formation they will be difficult to defend from the nickel. If the OL got healthy last week, this will be the best OL that the Niners have faced, and we still will have 3 excellent receiving threats to go along with the 7th best rushing attack in the league.

4. SF will win their share of battles on defense. It will be hard not to with the kind of players they have at all three levels. However their problem is that the Pats only have to be successful one out of 3 times to be able to move the chains. That's going to be hard to accomplish on a consistent enough basis to hold the Pats under 25 points

5. I agree that the Niners will NOT try and blitz Brady much. They'd have to be idiots to do that. Not only because of the talent they have, but from what they saw on Monday. Harbaugh's brother in Baltimore has done a pretty good job of slowing Brady down, and I can see a lot of zone blitzes rushing only 4 or at a max 5 men coming and a lot of presnap disguising. It will be more important to them that Brady "feel" the pressure than for there to actually BE pressure.

Brady wants the ball out in rhythm. Make him constantly be looking for his 2nd and 3rd options. Brady doesn't like to do that, and there has been games where its given him a lot of trouble (Jets 2010 playoffs). Hopefully he will have learned that lesson and look more to his RBs in those situations this time. The bad news for the Niners is that though he doesn't "like" to do it, he damned good at it. I only hope he's patient and gets the RB's involved

6. There won't be a 21-0 start like last week, but I think that this is game of attrition that the Pats can win as the game goes on. Being at home they can completely control the pace of the game. And even though the Niners come in with the "physical" reputation, the Pats offense can get their 25+ points as the game goes on. That's NOT a finesse OL

7. The Niners had great wins over great offenses vs GB and NO, but neither team has the run game the Pats had and the GB game has about as much meaning now, as the Cardinal game does for the Pats. It will be a major league slug fest for the first half, but I see the Pats pulling way as the game goes on.

8. Mayo put up this stat that I found fascinating. IIRC, the Niners have only allowed 25 red zone entries this season. The lowest in the league. However over half of those wound up as TDs. That's a very interesting stat when you find out that no team gets into the red zone more than the Pats. Its the old irresistible force, meeting the immovable object. Its why this game is so goddamned interesting.

Pats D vs the SF O

1. Frank Gore is one of the to 5 RB's in the league, no doubt. But for some reason, I'm not worried a bit about him. With the 3 LBs plus Vince and company, I don't see the Pats stopping Gore, but I do see him kept under control (80 or fewer yds). OTOH, LaMichael James scares the ***** out of me. He is THEIR CJ Spiller, and the CJ Spillers and Reggie Bush's of the world have given us a lot of trouble.

2. I can see the Pats using a lot of 3 safety looks this game as their nickel. This could be a rebirth game for Patrick Chung. Matt Chatham commented today that the Pats have been getting away with what amounts to 2 FS's in the middle for the past few weeks. Works well vs the pass, but I really don't want to see Steve Gregory meet Frank Gore head on.....and neither does Steve Gregory. So that 3 safety look that we all talked about a few years ago might be a good look this week, especially with a running QB like Kaepernick.

3. TE's have fared well against us this season and Vernon Davis is one of the best. I will be interested to see how BB decides to defend him. I hope its not with a LB. That won't be fair. Recently TE's and RB's have done the most damage to the Pats in the Passing game. I'm hoping that improves.

4. SOP for a young QB making his 4th or 5th start in the league. Make him not know what he is seeing. Disguise and confuse should be the order of the day. That and keep him in the pocket. The bad news is that we won't see any mad dashes to the QB in this game. The good news is that we won't see any made dashes to the QB in this game. In other words the "controlled rush" will be in full force for this one. We really don't want to be chasing around CP in this game.

He will get is share of runs out of the pocket. We have to remain patient. I think we will only make it worse by trying and failing to get there.

5. Kaepernick is going to be exposed to the same bright light that the Houston QB was last week. That's not going to be easy for a young QB with this little experience. OTOH, this will be an overall stiffer test for the Pats. This will be a better D that won't foolishly blitz and play man all day.

I think Harbaugh will try and keep it simple for Kaepernick. Lots of runs, bootlegs and PAP's, and when he drops back to pass, he'll have 2 options and if they aren't open, get out of dodge and shred them with the run. He throws a nice deep ball, and the Pats have been hurt by the deep ball. We should see a number of them. Also slants to the WR's and dump offs to the RBs. I don't want to see James "in space"

Well that's what I got. Comments?
 
I really want to see who Belichick puts on Crabtree, especially if Manningham is good to go, because that will say a lot about what he thinks of his corners. I think most people here regard Dennard as a fine CB in short, but somewhat suspect as you lengthen the field. If he gets put on Manningham/Moss, and he is left alone with them, that will tell us that Belichick thinks the kid has full-field coverage ability. It would also mean that the Patriots would be able to really focus on Davis, which I think would make a huge difference in the 10 yards +/- passing range.
Dennard's problems haven't been "horizontal" down the field, but "vertical" playing against the "tall trees" like Manningham, Moss, and Crabtree. That's a problem he's always going to have to overcome.
 
Dennard's problems haven't been "horizontal" down the field, but "vertical" playing against the "tall trees" like Manningham, Moss, and Crabtree. That's a problem he's always going to have to overcome.

That's just a function of height really. Even the vaunted Revis didn't cover Moss. You gotta respect height.
 
This game is going to be so much fun. I ready all 13 pages to make sure I didn't miss anything before I made my comments. Some great stuff here, including some excellent stuff by the Niner fans. They've been described as assclowns on a lot of threads that describe their boards, but the ones that have migrated here have been excellent. OK lots of stuff, I hope I can remember it all.

Great synthesis of a lot of the discussion so far Ken. Really nice stuff. Some thoughts:

Comments on the Niner D. vs the Pats O

3. But here are the some of the problems the Niners are going to have......especially if they keep their guys on the field as long as they do. The Pats will show their 2 TE 1 RB formations from both the gun and under C as their base defense. From that formation they will be difficult to defend from the nickel. If the OL got healthy last week, this will be the best OL that the Niners have faced, and we still will have 3 excellent receiving threats to go along with the 7th best rushing attack in the league.

4. SF will win their share of battles on defense. It will be hard not to with the kind of players they have at all three levels. However their problem is that the Pats only have to be successful one out of 3 times to be able to move the chains. That's going to be hard to accomplish on a consistent enough basis to hold the Pats under 25 points

5. I agree that the Niners will NOT try and blitz Brady much. They'd have to be idiots to do that. Not only because of the talent they have, but from what they saw on Monday. Harbaugh's brother in Baltimore has done a pretty good job of slowing Brady down, and I can see a lot of zone blitzes rushing only 4 or at a max 5 men coming and a lot of presnap disguising. It will be more important to them that Brady "feel" the pressure than for there to actually BE pressure.

Brady wants the ball out in rhythm. Make him constantly be looking for his 2nd and 3rd options. Brady doesn't like to do that, and there has been games where its given him a lot of trouble (Jets 2010 playoffs). Hopefully he will have learned that lesson and look more to his RBs in those situations this time. The bad news for the Niners is that though he doesn't "like" to do it, he damned good at it. I only hope he's patient and gets the RB's involved

6. There won't be a 21-0 start like last week, but I think that this is game of attrition that the Pats can win as the game goes on. Being at home they can completely control the pace of the game. And even though the Niners come in with the "physical" reputation, the Pats offense can get their 25+ points as the game goes on. That's NOT a finesse OL

7. The Niners had great wins over great offenses vs GB and NO, but neither team has the run game the Pats had and the GB game has about as much meaning now, as the Cardinal game does for the Pats. It will be a major league slug fest for the first half, but I see the Pats pulling way as the game goes on.

8. Mayo put up this stat that I found fascinating. IIRC, the Niners have only allowed 25 red zone entries this season. The lowest in the league. However over half of those wound up as TDs. That's a very interesting stat when you find out that no team gets into the red zone more than the Pats. Its the old irresistible force, meeting the immovable object. Its why this game is so goddamned interesting.

Good stuff, and it raises a bunch of points, most of which have already been discussed:

- If the Pats are fortunate enough to get out to a lead like the did against Houston it will be very difficult for the 49ers. But the Pats shouldn't count on it, and shouldn't press too hard. They need to be patient, and not make mistakes. This one probably won't be won in the first half.

- The Pats need to be prepared to handle pressure, but if the 49ers are smart they won't try and be too aggressive. As you say, creating the sense of pressure is more important than pressure itself. Rushing Brady, getting him out of his rhythm, causing him to go to his 2nd and 3rd options, those things may get him a bit frustrated. And if he's not patient, may cause some mistakes.

- The Pats really need to use their RBs in this game, both in rushing and in the passing game. I'd love to see Vereen used a lot, both split out wide and in the running game. Screens and draws could be very useful in this game. The Pats need to be committed to running the ball even if they don't put up very impressive results.

- Putting together drives will be key, even if they don't result in points, because that will start to wear down the 49ers defense. Vary the tempo, and make those 10 guys play a lot of snaps, including a lot of running plays, and a lot of plays where they have to pursue. Tire them out.

I see this one as a heavyweight title fight. You don't go for the early knockout. The odds aren't good, and you're more likely to get dinged yourself. You need to be patient and let the jabs and the body punches take a toll. Then, around the 10th round, if you've done everything right, fatigue should start to set in.

Pats D vs the SF O

1. Frank Gore is one of the to 5 RB's in the league, no doubt. But for some reason, I'm not worried a bit about him. With the 3 LBs plus Vince and company, I don't see the Pats stopping Gore, but I do see him kept under control (80 or fewer yds). OTOH, LaMichael James scares the ***** out of me. He is THEIR CJ Spiller, and the CJ Spillers and Reggie Bush's of the world have given us a lot of trouble.

I agree, I worry more about quick backs who can get in space than guys like Gore, as good as he is. Gore will get his yards, but I think the Pats will contain him, as they did Lynch and Foster.

2. I can see the Pats using a lot of 3 safety looks this game as their nickel. This could be a rebirth game for Patrick Chung. Matt Chatham commented today that the Pats have been getting away with what amounts to 2 FS's in the middle for the past few weeks. Works well vs the pass, but I really don't want to see Steve Gregory meet Frank Gore head on.....and neither does Steve Gregory. So that 3 safety look that we all talked about a few years ago might be a good look this week, especially with a running QB like Kaepernick.

3. TE's have fared well against us this season and Vernon Davis is one of the best. I will be interested to see how BB decides to defend him. I hope its not with a LB. That won't be fair. Recently TE's and RB's have done the most damage to the Pats in the Passing game. I'm hoping that improves.

Not so sure I want to see the rebirth of Patrick Chung. OTOH, Tavon Wilson could be useful in TE coverage.

4. SOP for a young QB making his 4th or 5th start in the league. Make him not know what he is seeing. Disguise and confuse should be the order of the day. That and keep him in the pocket. The bad news is that we won't see any mad dashes to the QB in this game. The good news is that we won't see any made dashes to the QB in this game. In other words the "controlled rush" will be in full force for this one. We really don't want to be chasing around CP in this game.

He will get is share of runs out of the pocket. We have to remain patient. I think we will only make it worse by trying and failing to get there.

5. Kaepernick is going to be exposed to the same bright light that the Houston QB was last week. That's not going to be easy for a young QB with this little experience. OTOH, this will be an overall stiffer test for the Pats. This will be a better D that won't foolishly blitz and play man all day.

I think Harbaugh will try and keep it simple for Kaepernick. Lots of runs, bootlegs and PAP's, and when he drops back to pass, he'll have 2 options and if they aren't open, get out of dodge and shred them with the run. He throws a nice deep ball, and the Pats have been hurt by the deep ball. We should see a number of them. Also slants to the WR's and dump offs to the RBs. I don't want to see James "in space"

For about the 100th time this season I wonder what might have been if only we had Dane Fletcher. He would have been so useful in playing a spy role on Kaepernick, or in TE coverage. But in general, I think as long as the Pats keep "contain" and prevent broken plays they will be ok. The trick will be staying disciplined and not letting plays break down.

Well that's what I got. Comments?

Terrific work, Ken.
 
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ca·reen (k-rn)
v. ca·reened, ca·reen·ing, ca·reens
v.intr.
1. To lurch or swerve while in motion.

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Holy #$%&, that's PERFECT!! DONE!! :rocker:
 
Great synthesis of a lot of the discussion so far Ken. Really nice stuff. Some thoughts:
For about the 100th time this season I wonder what might have been if only we had Dane Fletcher. He would have been so useful in playing a spy role on Kaepernick, or in TE coverage. But in general, I think as long as the Pats keep "contain" and prevent broken plays they will be ok. The trick will be staying disciplined and not letting plays break down.

Terrific work, Ken.

Ah! a Dane Fletcher reference. What might have been. Not only would have be a reliable back up for Mayo, he was our best candidate for a coverage LB. That boy had wheels for a guy who was a DE in college.

His absence is another reason to get that 3rd safety in to act as that "coverage LB" against TE's and RBs. I really don't want to see Spikes and Hightower struggling against receivers when they can be attacking the LOS vs the run or pass. I mentioned Chung, you mentioned Wilson. I really don't care which. I want the one who will play best.
 
Ah! a Dane Fletcher reference. What might have been. Not only would have be a reliable back up for Mayo, he was our best candidate for a coverage LB. That boy had wheels for a guy who was a DE in college.

His absence is another reason to get that 3rd safety in to act as that "coverage LB" against TE's and RBs. I really don't want to see Spikes and Hightower struggling against receivers when they can be attacking the LOS vs the run or pass. I mentioned Chung, you mentioned Wilson. I really don't care which. I want the one who will play best.

Obviously, we're all glad that Fletcher will have the opportunity to compete for a role here next year, and as you said he should be able to provide as our main coverage LB + ST. We keep waiting to see Fletcher continue to progress, and unfortunately the injury bug continues to bite him instead.

On that note, how about the creativity of moving Mayo outside in a CB role on several plays? LOL.. Granted it was later on in the game, but nonetheless it was fun to see. They really were able to utilize all of Mayo's strengths in the HOU game, and hopefully that continues down the stretch as our secondary allows them to be more physical and creative.

I have been worried about the coverage of the LB's all year, obviously that isn't anyone's strong point at the position. I agree that Wilson (or Chung...or both) will likely play that nickle LB role on the TE/RB. If either one is effective on any level that will surely add to the resurgence of this defense even more.

The secondary has been the key to this whole thing, and the moves made have worked brilliantly so far. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Next year's defense should be even better, as another handful will be drafted, and another handful will be acquired via FA and other teams' castoffs. Pryor (don't laugh) will be back to at least compete for some interior depth and a 3rd down presence, and that hole will be addressed through the draft too I'd imagine 100%. As you mentioned Fletcher will be back to at least compete too. The secondary should be shored up even more, and the possibility exists that Talib can return for some of the "Bodden-like" hope that we had back in 2009's pact. I would assume it'd be for approx the same money, at least in that ballpark.

Another few players and this defense can be great. Year by year they have progressed and allowed Belichick to do more of what he likes. The secondary will obviously be the key once again moving forward, but supposedly the safety class is much better which should help too.
 
3. But here are the some of the problems the Niners are going to have......especially if they keep their guys on the field as long as they do. The Pats will show their 2 TE 1 RB formations from both the gun and under C as their base defense. From that formation they will be difficult to defend from the nickel. If the OL got healthy last week, this will be the best OL that the Niners have faced, and we still will have 3 excellent receiving threats to go along with the 7th best rushing attack in the league.

5. I agree that the Niners will NOT try and blitz Brady much. They'd have to be idiots to do that. Not only because of the talent they have, but from what they saw on Monday. Harbaugh's brother in Baltimore has done a pretty good job of slowing Brady down, and I can see a lot of zone blitzes rushing only 4 or at a max 5 men coming and a lot of presnap disguising. It will be more important to them that Brady "feel" the pressure than for there to actually BE pressure.

1. Frank Gore is one of the to 5 RB's in the league, no doubt. But for some reason, I'm not worried a bit about him. With the 3 LBs plus Vince and company, I don't see the Pats stopping Gore, but I do see him kept under control (80 or fewer yds). OTOH, LaMichael James scares the ***** out of me. He is THEIR CJ Spiller, and the CJ Spillers and Reggie Bush's of the world have given us a lot of trouble.

2. I can see the Pats using a lot of 3 safety looks this game as their nickel. This could be a rebirth game for Patrick Chung. Matt Chatham commented today that the Pats have been getting away with what amounts to 2 FS's in the middle for the past few weeks. Works well vs the pass, but I really don't want to see Steve Gregory meet Frank Gore head on.....and neither does Steve Gregory. So that 3 safety look that we all talked about a few years ago might be a good look this week, especially with a running QB like Kaepernick.

- Putting together drives will be key, even if they don't result in points, because that will start to wear down the 49ers defense. Vary the tempo, and make those 10 guys play a lot of snaps, including a lot of running plays, and a lot of plays where they have to pursue. Tire them out.

Good analyses. Just wanted to highlight a couple of your guys' points.

1. The Niners D must get off the field regularly. Sustained drives throughout the game, especially at the Pats tempo, will definitely wear them down. If that happens, could be a long night for the Niners. The Niners O's ability to have some drives will play a key part as well.

2. I have also wondered what kind of impact L.James will have. I hope they can get him into space. As for Gore, he is a bruiser. And it is usually the second half where he gets a lot of yards and the Niners O wears down the other side. Of course, the game needs to be fairly close for this to happen.

3. Patfanken is right on when he realizes the Niners do NOT blitz that much. They routinely go with their 4 man rush. They will dial up some blitzes at times, usually with Willis or Bowman, and have been effective at it. The key is whether the front 4 can get pressure. Doesn't have to be sacks per se, but pressure to make Brady get rid of the ball earlier than he wants. This is the KEY to the game for me.

4. I will be very interested to see how the Pats match up with Vernon Davis specifically. He usually abuses LBs. Most teams have put DBs on him or a combo LB with safety help. I would expect Belichick to have a sound plan to cover Davis.

On a side note, I really like this board. Best opposing team board I've visited. Too bad we only play every 4 years or so. You guys have a LOT more football knowledge some other team's boards. Granted, boards are not the best representation of a team fanbase.
 
2 - the only major impact james will likely have is that if he is used much he will likely either have a turnover, or he will get runover by wilfork on some middle screen like jones did from buffalo......that's what rookies with 9 touches wind up getting from the pats

3 - simple.....if aldon smith doesn't get there, the niners don't get there....with aldon smith you just have to treat the niners like a 4-3 team since he is non-existent as an LB

4 - the pats defense practices against better TE's than vernon davis.....just pray that gronk is out one more week, because your LB's aren't big enough to get to the ball when it goes to gronk..... the TE position is something the pats are very familiar with

the niners are a very good team but not all that versatile and I believe the pats can come up with a look that will expose their defense.......kaepernick is going to kill them this year before its over......prey smith gets back in there for the playoffs


Good analyses. Just wanted to highlight a couple of your guys' points.

1. The Niners D must get off the field regularly. Sustained drives throughout the game, especially at the Pats tempo, will definitely wear them down. If that happens, could be a long night for the Niners. The Niners O's ability to have some drives will play a key part as well.

2. I have also wondered what kind of impact L.James will have. I hope they can get him into space. As for Gore, he is a bruiser. And it is usually the second half where he gets a lot of yards and the Niners O wears down the other side. Of course, the game needs to be fairly close for this to happen.

3. Patfanken is right on when he realizes the Niners do NOT blitz that much. They routinely go with their 4 man rush. They will dial up some blitzes at times, usually with Willis or Bowman, and have been effective at it. The key is whether the front 4 can get pressure. Doesn't have to be sacks per se, but pressure to make Brady get rid of the ball earlier than he wants. This is the KEY to the game for me.

4. I will be very interested to see how the Pats match up with Vernon Davis specifically. He usually abuses LBs. Most teams have put DBs on him or a combo LB with safety help. I would expect Belichick to have a sound plan to cover Davis.

On a side note, I really like this board. Best opposing team board I've visited. Too bad we only play every 4 years or so. You guys have a LOT more football knowledge some other team's boards. Granted, boards are not the best representation of a team fanbase.
 
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3. Patfanken is right on when he realizes the Niners do NOT blitz that much. They routinely go with their 4 man rush. They will dial up some blitzes at times, usually with Willis or Bowman, and have been effective at it. The key is whether the front 4 can get pressure. Doesn't have to be sacks per se, but pressure to make Brady get rid of the ball earlier than he wants. This is the KEY to the game for me.

I haven't watched enough of the 49ers to get a clear idea how they primarily create pressure with their DL. The few times I've seen them they seemed to stunt a fair amount to create pressure up the middle; do you think that's a fair assessment?
 
4 - the pats defense practices against better TE's than vernon davis.....just pray that gronk is out one more week, because your LB's aren't big enough to get to the ball when it goes to gronk..... the TE position is something the pats are very familiar with

I'll just say that Gronk and Davis are different types of TEs. Gronk is big and strong and can shield DBs away with his body very well. But Davis is faster. Davis likes to run long crossing patterns when covered by a LB especially. I am not saying Davis is better by any means, but he is still one of the best in the league, IMO. I imagine teams treat Davis like another WR due to his speed.

I haven't watched enough of the 49ers to get a clear idea how they primarily create pressure with their DL. The few times I've seen them they seemed to stunt a fair amount to create pressure up the middle; do you think that's a fair assessment?

I don't think they stunt a lot. But when they do, they are effective and it seems those are the plays that some QBs get anxious and make bad throws, which can lead to turnovers. I wouldn't expect Brady to get happy feet and make bad throws. But a throwaway is good for the D too. Basically, if the front 4 isn't getting it done, they will blitz.
 
as teams, the pats have handled more substantial pass pressure teams than the niners.....the niners publicity as a high pressure pass rush comes from the fact that smith has roughly 60% of the teams sacks.

the niners aren't really a big sacking team.....


the recipe against the niners is simple.......stop their running game....it comes down to line play.....and the pats are good at that.
 
Good analyses. Just wanted to highlight a couple of your guys' points.

1. The Niners D must get off the field regularly. Sustained drives throughout the game, especially at the Pats tempo, will definitely wear them down. If that happens, could be a long night for the Niners. The Niners O's ability to have some drives will play a key part as well.

2. I have also wondered what kind of impact L.James will have. I hope they can get him into space. As for Gore, he is a bruiser. And it is usually the second half where he gets a lot of yards and the Niners O wears down the other side. Of course, the game needs to be fairly close for this to happen.

3. Patfanken is right on when he realizes the Niners do NOT blitz that much. They routinely go with their 4 man rush. They will dial up some blitzes at times, usually with Willis or Bowman, and have been effective at it. The key is whether the front 4 can get pressure. Doesn't have to be sacks per se, but pressure to make Brady get rid of the ball earlier than he wants. This is the KEY to the game for me.

4. I will be very interested to see how the Pats match up with Vernon Davis specifically. He usually abuses LBs. Most teams have put DBs on him or a combo LB with safety help. I would expect Belichick to have a sound plan to cover Davis.

On a side note, I really like this board. Best opposing team board I've visited. Too bad we only play every 4 years or so. You guys have a LOT more football knowledge some other team's boards. Granted, boards are not the best representation of a team fanbase.

Great post and welcome to the board. Hernandez and Davis are a much better comp than Gronk and Davis. Because of the crossing routes that you're talking about and the fact that CK scrambles for half of their rushing yards these days makes me think we may see more zone this week from the Patriot's defense.
 
Just line up in the spread to force SF into their nickel/dime package and then run on them with Vereen/Ridley. If they play the run then pass the ball. Simple right...

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Yeah harder than it looks.
 
I'll just say that Gronk and Davis are different types of TEs. Gronk is big and strong and can shield DBs away with his body very well. But Davis is faster. Davis likes to run long crossing patterns when covered by a LB especially. I am not saying Davis is better by any means, but he is still one of the best in the league, IMO. I imagine teams treat Davis like another WR due to his speed.

gronk treats LB's like DB's and shields them also......

gronk has more ypc than davis, so it ain't about the short game......gronk also has a much higher percentage of catcher/target than davis does.....

so gronk not only is a superior target in the passing game, he is almost another OT when it comes to blocking.

I think you'd have at least 31 GM's in the league choose gronk over davis.....probably 32....at 23 years old, he's already got 38 TD's
 
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2 - the only major impact james will likely have is that if he is used much he will likely either have a turnover, or he will get runover by wilfork on some middle screen like jones did from buffalo......that's what rookies with 9 touches wind up getting from the pats

I think this is a little harsh. The Pats have had problems with quick, elusive RBs in the past, rookie or not. And James is very talented, regardless of how much he's gotten on the field - just like Shane Vereen, he's very elusive in the open field. And like Vereen, the amount of playing time he's gotten doesn't reflect his potential as a weapon.

3 - simple.....if aldon smith doesn't get there, the niners don't get there....with aldon smith you just have to treat the niners like a 4-3 team since he is non-existent as an LB

Aldon Smith is certainly the #1 threat. But you can't discount either Justin Smith or Ahmad Brooks. Justin Smith has only 3 sacks on the year, but they've all come in the last 4 games, and he's had 7.5 and 8.5 the last 2 seasons. He was an outside pass rusher coming out of college before re-inventing himself. If he's not double-teamed he's more than capable of getting to the QB, as is Brooks. Along with Aldon Smith, those 3 guys have 28 of SF's 32 sacks (Navorro Bowman has 2, and no one else has more than 1). I'm sure BB will be preaching to not lose sight of those other guys, even though eyes will be on Aldon Smith at all times.

4 - the pats defense practices against better TE's than vernon davis.....just pray that gronk is out one more week, because your LB's aren't big enough to get to the ball when it goes to gronk..... the TE position is something the pats are very familiar with

Sure they're familiar with it, but they've still been susceptible to TEs from other teams. Dennis Pitta was effective against us week 3, Dwayne Allen in the Indy game, and Scott Chandler in both second Buffalo games. I'm sure that containing Vernon Davis will be one thing BB focuses on.

the niners are a very good team but not all that versatile and I believe the pats can come up with a look that will expose their defense.......kaepernick is going to kill them this year before its over......prey smith gets back in there for the playoffs

I agree that the 49ers aren't particularly versatile. They are who they are. They are extremely strong, and they dare you to beat their strength. So far it's held up pretty well. They've been lucky to stay healthy, but they're obviously extremely durable and well conditioned.

As for Kaepernick, I think that Jim Harbaugh has obviously gambled that Alex Smith is not going to take him past the rest of the NFC, particularly the Giants, and that he needs to add an extra dimension to his team. He may not get there with Kaepernick, particularly this year, but he has guts to take that gamble in mid-season, with a playoff team.
 
I'll just say that Gronk and Davis are different types of TEs. Gronk is big and strong and can shield DBs away with his body very well. But Davis is faster. Davis likes to run long crossing patterns when covered by a LB especially. I am not saying Davis is better by any means, but he is still one of the best in the league, IMO. I imagine teams treat Davis like another WR due to his speed.

Stylistically, I look at Vernon Davis and see a lot of Ben Watson.
 
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