Chiefs player Jovan Belcher dead in murder-suicide

Claremonster said:

What if his rage stems from the fact that it wasn't his dna? I'm not saying that it was or was not, but, what if it was not? That might trigger some rage...

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What a stupid comment.

When it comes to a incident like this people always speculate as to the cause, in conversations, in the media, and on this thread. It something so terrible that we as people cannot rationalize this without pointing to a reason.

But the facts are that no one really knows, even the great medical people of our time, what makes someone, who seems to be so normal, do such a terrible thing. As that's what scares us and drives us to try to point to a reason.

PatriotsReign said:

Not harsh at all. I never feel any sympathy for a murderer....guess you can.

Why do you feel sympathy for a murderer?

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+1 +1. The way I see it, imagine what everyone would be saying about him if he kills his girlfriend but then got arrested instead of committing suicide. Everyone would be saying what a degenerate, despicable human being he is. But since he committed suicide and is now dead, he gets a measure of sympathy he doesn't deserve

The man is a murderer and a coward. My sympathies are for the victims, not the killer.

Claremonster said:

What if his rage stems from the fact that it wasn't his dna? I'm not saying that it was or was not, but, what if it was not? That might trigger some rage...

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I did not read the whole 17 page thread. I have to start out with an apology: I do not know the flow of the conversation.

That said, I tend to disbelieve any "reasons."

Maybe it was concussions, maybe it was DNA, maybe he had no soul and a demon possessed him, maybe violent video games, maybe fluoride in the water, maybe all the trans-fats at McDonalds.

Maybe in an infinite series all things happen. (Yes, Douglas Adams. The answer is 42.)

UK_Pat37 said:

Have you heard of multi quote?

You have valid points but before you pass judgement you really should know the facts. Nothing excuses murder but until you know the facts that led up to the circumstance, you can't pass judgement for sure.

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Sorry, but there is absolutely no set of facts whatsoever that excuses a man from murdering a woman in cold blood (in front of his own mother, no less).

I have no problem whatsoever passing judgement on this lowlife. He gains no sympathy from me by killing himself. He is a murderer.

Wolfpack said:

+1 +1. The way I see it, imagine what everyone would be saying about him if he kills his girlfriend but then got arrested instead of committing suicide. Everyone would be saying what a degenerate, despicable human being he is. But since he committed suicide and is now dead, he gets a measure of sympathy he doesn't deserve

The man is a murderer and a coward. My sympathies are for the victims, not the killer.

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Well said. I've had two good friends take their own life. One was when I was in high school which was fueled by drugs, a bad breakup with his first love, unresolved family issues and being just too damn immature to deal with the situation. The other friend was in his 50s, had pancreatic cancer for the 2nd time and there was nothing the doctors could do and he had a month to live. He didn't have any family, he updated his will, got his finances in order, and left a note apologizing for the pain he was causing but he wanted to go out on his terms.

I know these situations have nothing to do with what happened yesterday in KC, but for me, because I understand the reasons for their respective decisions it helped me process their loss. My two friends will always be in my heart and have my sympathy for the torment and pain that they were dealing with. Now, other might say that they were selfish and cowardly. Well, I guess they were but their situations were different and they found a way to deal with their pain.

For Belcher, you are right. We don't know the whys. There could be hundreds of reasons for what he did. Another poster said that as a human being we should have compassion for ALL people. He/she is right in some respects. The problem is that regardless of a potential medical issue or crime of passion, any level of potential compassion I have for Belcher was no longer possible after I learned of his incredbily selfish act of murdering his partner and leaving the child motherless. I wish I did....but I don't.

As if the story needed another layer of tragedy:

Randy Moss of NFL Network explained at the top of NFL Gameday Morning that the wife of running back Jamaal Charles and Kasandra Perkins were cousins. Also, Moss explains that Charles’ wife introduced Perkins to Belcher.

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Belcher murder-suicide has added impact on Jamaal Charles | ProFootballTalk

The next morning, I still can't get the phrase "meat packing plant" out of my head whenever I think of the Belcher incident.

See watcha did, Deus? For the rest of my life, every time I watch a Chiefs game, the image "meat packing plant" will flash in my mind. It's a truly bizarre correlation. Thanks for that. I'll break into a smile of amused disbelief every single time.

Yes, you're reply to that poster's question was indeed informative, timely, relevant, etc. etc. It was all of those things.
You missed an added underlying element. It's called context.
The whole premise behind the humor on the show "Big Bang Theory" is based on it. The guys on that show reply to other people's queries with knowledgeable, informed, timely, & relevant answers. The humor is in their not taking context into consideration. Indeed, they often do give knowledge-filled replies. Problem is, they're voiced in the wrong social gatherings for such.

And that's where the phrase "meat packing plant" gains it's hilarity. In the future, whenever the blimp's camera is flying over the red glory of massive Arrowhead Stadium, I'll always have the image of some meat packing plant in my mind. The two places are on opposite ends of the social spectrum.
Deus, it's hilarious you felt the need to answer that other poster's question after you found out the answer was a freaking meat packing plant. There's your error in regards to context.
Well, I dunno, but is a guy with a whopping 32 thousand posts on a football board (of all places) oblivious to context in the first place? That wouldn't be a poor bet by any measure.

And then ya got Da Bruinz running around this thread like he's the site's self appointed ethics expert & grief counselor. Pontificating about "Murder & Suicide: When Or Where It Is Or Isn't Appropriate, & For Whom & Why".

Spare me.

52 thousand posts between the two of you.

Whatever. Ban me. I couldn't care less.

UK_Pat37 said:

Have you heard of multi quote?

You have valid points but before you pass judgement you really should know the facts. Nothing excuses murder but until you know the facts that led up to the circumstance, you can't pass judgement for sure.

The one thing I hate is calling someone who kills himself after a 'coward'. I'm far from a coward yet I'd never have the guts to shoot myself. For someone to shoot themselves it takes a serious amount of clout....and for that there has to be something seriously wrong in their head.

This is very tragic or both sides and you don't know either of them or the situation.

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What facts would change your judgment that he cold-bloodedly muredered a woman?

The cowardice is in taking the easy way out of being accountable for your actions.

Claremonster said:

Good luck with that Slick.

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Your comment almost reads as if you would like to see/hear them interviewed. I think that's sick. Why is our society so damn nosey these days?

I think sometimes Americans want to hear morbid stories...and that's just wrong down the to very core of decency.

If you're one of these people, you're the one who needs some "good luck slick".

Watch, the day will be spent in sadness for this Player, yes, a horrible tragedy, but he did murder a woman in cold blood! If there is any moment of silence @ the Chiefs game, or around the league, it better be directed @ the real victims here, a 22 your old woman murdered, a 3 month old child left without parents. Spending anytime honoring this player would be morally wrong.

UK_Pat37 said:

Nothing excuses murder

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You should have stopped right there UK. If nothing excuses murder, what relevance to any facts have? You contradicted your own comment with this.

UK_Pat37 said:

but until you know the facts that led up to the circumstance, you can't pass judgement for sure.

The one thing I hate is calling someone who kills himself after a 'coward'. I'm far from a coward yet I'd never have the guts to shoot myself. For someone to shoot themselves it takes a serious amount of clout....and for that there has to be something seriously wrong in their head.

This is very tragic or both sides and you don't know either of them or the situation.

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Suicide is cowardly because it lets the person off the hook for dealing with their actions and punishes all those who cared about him/her.

I have some experience with this in my immediate family.

If a parent murders the person who raped/molested their child, I could have a great deal of sympathy for them. But this clearly wasn't the case here.

Since I don't know all the facts, I will just say this:

This is a horrible tragedy. My heart goes out to Belcher's family, Kasandra Perkins' family, Romeo, Scott, and the entire Chiefs' organization.

PatriotsReign said:

Suicide is cowardly because it lets the person off the hook for dealing with their actions and punishes all those who cared about him/her.
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I think you would agree that suicide can be conditional and situational in terminally-ill circumstances.

Pewsterbaby said:

The next morning, I still can't get the phrase "meat packing plant" out of my head whenever I think of the Belcher incident. ...

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I'm not sure why people like you feel the need to act like asses in a thread about a murder/suicide, but whatever works for you I guess. The good thing is that I don't have to keep reading it.

OK, I think pretty much everyone has had their say and now we are getting into more name calling and arguing than making comments.

So it's about time to close this thread. If anyone disagrees with the closing, send a PM to me or one of the other Mods after the game and it will be reconsidered for opening.