Question to people asking why was Gronk playing late into the game.......

thenepatsrule said:

I hope you find the post above by Palm Beach Fan a fitting reply to your stupid factless points.

Brees played late into the 4th Q when they were up 38-17 against the raiders yesterday, do you see their fan base question their coach like you or the other negative nancies here are doing???????

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"If Gronk was on the sideline as you suggest and got struck by lightning you would find another excuse to lament the decision making"

Riiiiiight.

Thanks for throwing your meaningless two cents in there. Nothing you said adds anything to the discussion.

JMarr said:

"If Gronk was on the sideline as you suggest and got struck by lightning you would find another excuse to lament the decision making"

Riiiiiight.

Thanks for throwing your meaningless two cents in there. Nothing you said adds anything to the discussion.

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Sure it does, it shows that people like you will do anything to find fault with the decision making.

signbabybrady said:

EPIC FAIL

Hahaha this is great of everything in my ridiculous post you pull out the one thing that actually fits. Mesko is the Holder :ugh:

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I figured Mallett was holding in your scenario. What do you have him doing then? Curling up in the fetal position and praying?

JMarr said:

Oh, look, a sheep who's good at pulling up relatively meaningless data to try to refute a larger point. Tell me bro, given what's transpired with the Pats in the playoffs the last 4 years, if you were a coach would you routinely have Tom Brady dropping back and throwing passes in the final 3 minutes of 5 touchdown regular season blowouts?

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Seriously, what are you talking about? I am wondering if you are actually drunk.

JMarr said:

Oh, look, a sheep who's good at pulling up relatively meaningless data to try to refute a larger point. Tell me bro, given what's transpired with the Pats in the playoffs the last 4 years, if you were a coach would you routinely have Tom Brady dropping back and throwing passes in the final 3 minutes of 5 touchdown regular season blowouts?

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The data shows that your claims and complaints were wrong. How is that meaningless?

cause its foot ball, thats why gronk is playing at the end. S#^% happens and so don't injuries.

It was a PAT, so it doesn't seem like a big deal. The only reason it's getting attention is because he was injured.

I'm much more perplexed on why Brady was in at 52 points, and still dropping back to pass. It's what BB does, but I'll never really get it.

Fball said:

It was a PAT, so it doesn't seem like a big deal. The only reason it's getting attention is because he was injured.

I'm much more perplexed on why Brady was in at 52 points, and still dropping back to pass. It's what BB does, but I'll never really get it.

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Your boy Dungy used to do the same thing, with Manning. Did you get it then?

Deus Irae said:

Your boy Dungy used to do the same thing, with Manning. Did you get it then?

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Nope. Makes no sense to me.

People say "it's their job" and all that, but their job is to win games. It's strange when they're still in when that job is done.

Fball said:

Nope. Makes no sense to me.

People say "it's their job" and all that, but their job is to win games. It's strange when they're still in when that job is done.

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The game's not over until the time runs out or the opponent raises the white flag. Luck was in the game until the end.

At 59-24, the Colts got the ball with 3:55 left and proceeded to pass 7 consecutive times.

Fball said:

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I'm much more perplexed on why Brady was in at 52 points, and still dropping back to pass.

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Because 3rd and 7 at the IND 25 is not a scenario where you will likely run for a first down, so you pass it to Welker (since Gronk had left the game already) then when Welker leaves the games, you run Vareen every other play for the rest of the game, with handoffs from Mallett in the last 4 minutes.

I'd rather pass for a 1st down than send the punting unit out, followed by the defense. Lower injury risk by far, and it's winning football.

Fball said:

Nope. Makes no sense to me.

People say "it's their job" and all that, but their job is to win games. It's strange when they're still in when that job is done.

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I am not aware of any coach in the NFL who makes score-driven personnel changes in special teams units. You play the unit that practiced together all week, barring injury.

I think what we have here is a fundamental lack of understanding of how coaches use specific special teams units. This isn't college where you have 80 guys. You have 43 guys plus kicker, punter, and long-snapper to cover offense, defense, and four core special teams units. If you take out you top 10 "key players" by however means you use to decide that, then I am not sure how you can expect to run the play and (for example) not get the kicker clobbered. The best blockers play up front on the PAT conversion. That has to include Gronk, particularly in a week where the teams two starting guards were both out with injuries.

At some point Gronk gets the tap on the shoulder and gets the message to take the rest of the game off on offense (and he did, before the last scoring drive). But he knows he will be out there on the special teams unit he practiced with all week. That's just how it works, in New England, in Indianapolis, EVERYWHERE.

Dungy: You have a set group for the PAT conversion. I always had Jeff Saturday playing RG on PATs and never even considered taking him off, no matter what the score was. You sometimes sit players on offense or on defense, because they are used to subbing out. You practice those changes and adjustments. The special teams guys are different-- they work together all week as one unit and they play as one unit, whatever the score.

Bruschi: When I was playing defense and we were blowing out an opponent, you were told, "You're out of the game now, Tedy, but you're still on the field goal block team." It's just the way it is in football.

Where is the perspective on this issue?? It was an extra point for crying out loud!!!!
He had as much chance getting injured standing on the sideline! Alright maybe a slightly higher chance on a PAT but not much.

SacPete1 said:

Where is the perspective on this issue?? It was an extra point for crying out loud!!!!
He had as much chance getting injured standing on the sideline! Alright maybe a slightly higher chance on a PAT but not much.

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SF was up 32-7 and still had starting linebackers covering punts.

“I think you have to be careful when you are trying to run a team to go up to one guy and say, ‘Michael, we’re going to leave you in the game because we don’t really care about you, but Glenn, we’re going to take you out because you’re really important.’ I don’t think that’s really a good way to approach a team. I’ve never done that. I don’t think that would be a very successful approach to it.”

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From Belichick himself.

Sorry to all of the Madden 2013 coaches who are mad about their stupid Fantasy Football team but Belichick is managing an actual NFL team - which includes managing how players feel they are being treated.

fnordcircle said:

From Belichick himself.

Sorry to all of the Madden 2013 coaches who are mad about their stupid Fantasy Football team but Belichick is managing an actual NFL team - which includes managing how players feel they are being treated.

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Love that quote.

Are people really questioning the injury? It was a fluke. Its football.

If Gronk were to break his arm while running a walk-through in practice this week, would you question that too?

"How dare BB actually force his star players to practice!!!"

Get real.

can tell a lot of people never played the game. There's a first and a second team defined for each special teams unit but the second team is only used to fill in a body if the guy on the first time goes down. You never put them into the game as the "second unit". You only use the second units to determine who is next man up...not enough bodies otherwise.

Second, you have 2 or 3 active tight ends in a game. You may want to run a fake and a fake might consist of a TE catching a pass or making a huge block. Since you need one for each side of a field goal/extra point, who do you want there?

Third, it was a freak accident and these guys are football players. He's going to see harder hits on any normal play. It was something that wouldn't happen again if the Patriots put him in 100 times.