Brandon Lloyd is great

PATSYLICIOUS said:

That was mostly because it was a horrible punt by Mesko with no hang time. We'll definitely miss Slater but I think we have enough good ST guys that we could be alright without him for a few weeks.

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Judging by Slater's media comments today and yesterday, I would guess that he is absolutely fine.

He will likely be limited in practice, but I'd certainly guess that he'll play.

We'll know more about Llyod tomorrow too. I'm also assuming that he'll be limited/held out of practice with a questionable status heading into the game, but that he should be able to play. Just my guess though.

Sean Pa Patriot said:

dont worry i wont upset but i wont be a biased homer either... and wave my pom poms... but the track record speaks for its self since the 2007 afc title game.. jag cb and offense that cant close out games... its time to see a trend is all im saying...its alarming.. and i hope lloyd is ok... but we will know tom

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Yes it does. Care to guess which NFL team has won the most games since that day?

Sean Pa Patriot said:

sorry i should have said it looked like a seperated shoulder i didnt know we were being ridiculed for making a mistake .... not like belichick and brady both have made since 2009.... here is a little fact for you


New England has lost seven games since 2009 in which it held the lead with under five minutes remaining in regulation.


that is a sign of a offense that cant close out, or a defense that cant make a big stop...or a coaching staff that cant make adjustments...

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Here's a little known fact for you. The Patriots have only lost 15 games since 2009. That's a sign of a team that's doing a pretty good job of kicking the hell out of the rest of the league. Just for comparison:

Giants have lost 23
Steelers have lost 18
Ravens have lost 16
Packers have lost 15
Saints have lost 15

So, there you have it. Since 2009, no team, including the 3 Super Bowl winners from 2009-2011, has a better record than the Patriots, and that's with Brady coming off of his ACL injury in '09 (about half of these 7 "sign" losses happened in 2009 alone) and the Ravens off to a 5-1 start this year.

So, what you're claiming is a sign is really just the reality of an imperfect team.

Modest said:

Just awesome that yet another Brady overthrow might potentially cost us our deep threat WR for a week or more.

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Yup that Brady guy really sucks. Imagine how storied this franchise would be if it used that 199th pick on someone better.

Deus Irae said:

Here's a little known fact for you. The Patriots have only lost 15 games since 2009. That's a sign of a team that's doing a pretty good job of kicking the hell out of the rest of the league. Just for comparison:

Giants have lost 23
Steelers have lost 18
Ravens have lost 16
Packers have lost 15
Saints have lost 15

So, there you have it. Since 2009, no team, including the 3 Super Bowl winners from 2009-2011, has a better record than the Patriots, and that's with Brady coming off of his ACL injury in '09 (about half of these 7 "sign" losses happened in 2009 alone) and the Ravens off to a 5-1 start this year.

So, what you're claiming is a sign is really just the reality of an imperfect team.

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lets go back to 2007 , when the team blew a 21-3 afc championship lead... the undefeated season could not close out the giants could not make a play ...2009 the denver indy miami games prob cost the team a bye and a wild card birth... 2010... well the reg season was solid, but were out played and out coached by the jets in the playoffs..., 2011 again solid reg season ,but after the giants loss, they had a pretty easy schedule.... and in the super bowl could not finish after having a solid lead....its a trend, good teams find a way to win those games, but the jag secondary and poor drafting prob cost this team 2-3 more superbowl wins...and im not talking about the offense side, the lack of a quality db and saftey have burned this team... i also think the theory of when pats leave they dont have success anywhere else... sorry to say the one guy the pats have not been able to replace is assante samual....

AndyJohnson said:

Yes it does. Care to guess which NFL team has won the most games since that day?

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fair enough but how many superbowls have they won??? they went to 2, prob should have went in 2010... 08 was a wash but i that was belichick best coaching job... 09 the team was a bad chemistry team... but the mental toughness cost them 4 wins in 09....

and before we go there im not saying we are spoiled that all we want is super bowls... but this team had a chance to win 3 superbowls in the last 6 years... and who knows we win super bowl in 07 , the pats are not playing kc on opening day and knee inj doesnt happen??/ but we will never know all we can worry about is the jets, but its fair to say so far in 2012... this team is underachieving.... excpet the secondary which cant cover a cold and is what it is...

AndyJohnson said:

Yup that Brady guy really sucks. Imagine how storied this franchise would be if it used that 199th pick on someone better.

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Giovanni Carmazzi would have done a much better job...

Sean Pa Patriot said:

and before we go there im not saying we are spoiled that all we want is super bowls... but this team had a chance to win 3 superbowls in the last 6 years... and who knows we win super bowl in 07 , the pats are not playing kc on opening day and knee inj doesnt happen??/ but we will never know all we can worry about is the jets, but its fair to say so far in 2012... this team is underachieving.... excpet the secondary which cant cover a cold and is what it is...

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The Patriots HAD a chance to be known as the best football TEAM of ALL TIME, and the lack of a defense that can close out a close game cost them history, and as a Boston Sports Fan who's endured much more futility than success in my life I wanted a team that was THE BEST...
Now, unfortunately they will be known as a team that blew two 4th quarter leads and lost two SB to the NYG almost as much as the team that won three in four years...

Sean Pa Patriot said:

lets go back to 2007 , when the team blew a 21-3 afc championship lead... the undefeated season could not close out the giants could not make a play ... sorry to say the one guy the pats have not been able to replace is assante samual....

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I love these post-loss meltdowns. The Pats won 3 titles by 3 points, and lost two to a difficult matchup by the same margin. If McNabb could execute plays in that final drive with any speed, the Pats could well have lost. The Rams victory was holding on when the Rams started to roll ending with a tough kick, and the Panthers win saw no defense in the end with the team winning that had the ball in the end. You assume good teams win the close games, but in a title match you can safely assume both teams are the best in the NFL so that does not really apply.

And it is funny you point to Samuel, who was never close to a Ty Law in ability, as I recall a pass skipping off his hands in 2007 that could have given the team a fourth title. If you believe the Pats should have paid him at the level the Eagles did to keep him, then you probably need to watch his performance with the Eagles. Frankly, I don't miss him at all and do not believe these defense would be much different with him on the field.

The sad fact of the NFL is that you cannot pay everyone you would like to have under a salary cap. If you see a scenario in which we could release a Wilfork, Mankins, Brady or other key player and address your lament without creating other issues, then feel free to play GM with the salary cap and point out everyone that should have been handed to other teams. The fact is teams like the Jets and Eagles stockpiled marquee defensive backs, and if the Pats mirrored their personnel management then I expect you would be mired in an even deeper melancholy, complaining instead about lack of a front 7 on defense or lack of offense.

Sean Pa Patriot said:

lets go back to 2007 , when the team blew a 21-3 afc championship lead... the undefeated season could not close out the giants could not make a play ...2009 the denver indy miami games prob cost the team a bye and a wild card birth... 2010... well the reg season was solid, but were out played and out coached by the jets in the playoffs..., 2011 again solid reg season ,but after the giants loss, they had a pretty easy schedule.... and in the super bowl could not finish after having a solid lead....its a trend, good teams find a way to win those games, but the jag secondary and poor drafting prob cost this team 2-3 more superbowl wins...and im not talking about the offense side, the lack of a quality db and saftey have burned this team... i also think the theory of when pats leave they dont have success anywhere else... sorry to say the one guy the pats have not been able to replace is assante samual....

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In 2007, they went 16-0 in the regular season. That had never been done before, and it hasn't been done since. They were minutes away from becoming the only 19-0 team in NFL history, despite Brady playing injured against a tremendous pass rush, the team's TEs all being injured, the loss of Stephen Neal, Hobbs playing through a lower body injury, and the fact that Neal's backup came into the game already banged up and injured.

And the player who's as responsible for that loss as anyone, since he's the one who left Tyree on the helmet catch play, is the guy you bring up as not having been replaced, in the context of late game losses.


Are you trolling?

Brady throws in the rain looked very reminiscent of the games in '10 where it was found out he had a finger(s) injury. It was most obvious back then when he was playing in the rain as well.

Sean Pa Patriot said:

fair enough but how many superbowls have they won??? they went to 2, prob should have went in 2010... 08 was a wash but i that was belichick best coaching job... 09 the team was a bad chemistry team... but the mental toughness cost them 4 wins in 09....

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But how many teams during that period even made it that far to HAVE A CHANCE to win a title?...Pats fans have become spoiled when it comes to the postseason...we have gotten in every year except 2002 with Brady at QB...That is a gift in itself to any fan,my friend.

The Pats are not going to win a SB every year...I have made my mind up that just getting into the playoffs is an accomplishment and anything goes once you're in.

As fans that is all we should expect from this team,a playoff berth and watch what transpires....SB Titles are hard to obtain,just getting there isn't easy either.

Awful game today (don't know if you can blame an injury on flat out dropping balls...) and honestly feels likes whenever we target him the play fails or it's some crazy catch with 0 YAC. Not a lot of "big plays" with this guy.

Pessimistic Pete said:

Awful game today (don't know if you can blame an injury on flat out dropping balls...) and honestly feels likes whenever we target him the play fails or it's some crazy catch with 0 YAC. Not a lot of "big plays" with this guy.

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Pretty sure he is still on pace to have 1,000 yards....somethings that is very very good..

Could someone dig up the numbers for when Brady targets LLoyd?

Brady_to_Moss said:

Pretty sure he is still on pace to have 1,000 yards....somethings that is very very good..

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After today's game, he's on pace for 930. A week ago, he was on pace for 1070.

Pessimistic Pete said:

Awful game today (don't know if you can blame an injury on flat out dropping balls...) and honestly feels likes whenever we target him the play fails or it's some crazy catch with 0 YAC. Not a lot of "big plays" with this guy.

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What exactly is the obsession with YAC lately?

FYI, 5 of the top 10 YAC guys in the NFL are averaging the same, or less yards per reception than Lloyd in addition to fewer yards total. YAC is really not a huge, significant stat so let's stop acting like it is. It's like judging QBs by their rushing yards.

Not to defend Lloyd's performance today, he struggled, and Brady seems to force one or two to him at times like that play down the sideline that Cromartie almost intercepted. But the YAC thing is really taking on ridiculous levels of discussion.

convertedpatsfan said:

What exactly is the obsession with YAC lately?

FYI, 5 of the top 10 YAC guys in the NFL are averaging the same, or less yards per reception than Lloyd in addition to fewer yards total. YAC is really not a huge, significant stat so let's stop acting like it is. It's like judging QBs by their rushing yards.

Not to defend Lloyd's performance today, he struggled, and Brady seems to force one or two to him at times like that play down the sideline that Cromartie almost intercepted. But the YAC thing is really taking on ridiculous levels of discussion.

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Well the problem is we are weak at the receiver position in terms of players we can count on for solid YAC. Really it's just Gronk holding the team up. I guess that Aaron Hernandez guy has had his moments too. Then there's Welker and Woodhead who routinely make something out of nothing. And of course that Edleman character has been rumored to have had great YAC in the preseason, but I haven't seen it much in the three and a half games he's played as our number 3 WR so he's a bust. Wait...

I personally could not care less if he has any significant YAC, we have plenty of other weapons for that. I just want him to catch.the.damn.ball!