Wes Welker, Hall of Famer ?

What say ye all, will Wes wind up in the Hall of Fame ? 600+ catches in 6 seasons w/the Pats. I bet he winds up with at least 900+ catches in his career. I think he makes it to the Hall.

How can you make the HOF when the biggest plays of your career are losing on a 18-0 team and then dropping essentially the game winning pass in the next Superbowl? I'm sorry, but Welker isn't a HOFer. Brady and Vince deserve to be there, no one else on this team at this point.

He's definitely well on his way to Canton. Only a complete moron would think otherwise.

900 catches in a career will not get him in to the HOF. There are several receivers with 1000 plus catches that are unable to get in. However, he is on the right path. He needs another 5 seasons with 100 plus catches every year to make it.

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It's gonna be tough for Welker to get in on numbers alone. The perception that slot receivers are not as important as outside threats may come into play.

There are a lot of really good WRs already waiting to get in and more to come in the next decade. Cris Carter and Tim Brown are near the top of WR stats and haven't been able to get in. Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Terrel Owens, Randy Moss, and Hines Ward are recently retired or will be retiring soon and they are all near the top of the record books.

Moss and Owens will make it, although maybe not first year because of there antics. Ward is interesting, maybe best blocking WR ever, but not a dynamic player. The others I think are borderline.

For Welker to ensure a spot he will have to continue his production for another 3-4 years, and more importantly have some big playoff games and defining moments.

14,000 all-purpose yards, about 700 catches & closing in on 8,000 yards receiving
-listed in the NFL dictionary under the phrase "slot receiver"

If he adds 4 more years anything at all like the last 5, you can flat-out guarantee it.

How many wide receivers with 1,000 catches and 12,000 yards are not on the HOF? Two, Tim Brown and Chris Carter. They will get in, most people think. Carter would be in now, but for his personality.

Q: How many hall of famers period have more catches and yards than 1,000/12,000?
A: One: Jerry Rice

Only two HOF-ers have more than even 800 catches: Rice, Largent, and Art Monk.

None have even close to his return yardage.

A ring will help, though. Damn that Tyree...

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Ivan said:

He's definitely well on his way to Canton. Only a complete moron would think otherwise.

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I don't know. I don't think he has had the longevity yet to really get there. I would think he would need at least two more years at a very high level and another one or two years at a lesser level to make it.

Remember, there are currently only 11 WR in the Hall and there are many great receivers out there that will be lining up to get in. Chris Carter, Isaac Bruce, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison I think are at the top of the list. Not to say that he isn't deserving but its going to be very hard for him to make it.

It took 8 long years for the great Art Monk to get in,Welker is not guaranteed anything.

Welker needs another 4-5 seasons playing at a high level to get consideration. But if he can put up 8 or more 1000 yard+ seasons I think he'll get strong consideration. Consider that Wayne and Harrison have 7 and 8 1,000 yard seasons each and they will be strong contenders. Some consider Harrison a lock for the HOF.

Harrison:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrMa00.htm

Welker:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WelkWe00.htm

BSR said:

I don't know. I don't think he has had the longevity yet to really get there. I would think he would need at least two more years at a very high level and another one or two years at a lesser level to make it.

Remember, there are currently only 11 WR in the Hall and there are many great receivers out there that will be lining up to get in. Chris Carter, Isaac Bruce, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison I think are at the top of the list. Not to say that he isn't deserving but its going to be very hard for him to make it.

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People keep making that claim but there is absolutely nothing to support it, if anything he just continues to get better and better, and using the logic that he has to get worse doesn't make sense in a day and age where players are lasting longer because of training, medicine, and personal care. People can start talking of Welker's decline when there is evidence on the field of it, and so far there has been absolutely no evidence of that. People said the same things when he had the major knee injury a couple of years ago and he came back better, then they said the 2 TE's would eat up his production, and agin he just got better, so until we actually see Welker slowing down and not playing as well it makes no sense to me to attribute decline to him.


Imo the only reasons for people making these claims is their fascination with draft reviews and numbers and madden ratings, and they flat out ignore his actual play and production, which is off the charts. You simply do not get rid of a player of this caliber in their prime, and that is right where Welker is at. The fans who don't appreciate Welker are morons, plain and simple, he is one of the best players the patriots, and that is obvious, and should be obvious even to the idiot Maddenites who keep ripping on him.

PATRIOTSFANINPA said:

It took 8 long years for the great Art Monk to get in,Welker is not guaranteed anything.

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I don't see anyone guaranteeing anything, they are just saying he's heading that way, and he clearly is.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

14,000 all-purpose yards, about 700 catches & closing in on 8,000 yards receiving
-listed in the NFL dictionary under the phrase "slot receiver"

If he adds 4 more years anything at all like the last 5, you can flat-out guarantee it.

How many wide receivers with 1,000 catches and 12,000 yards are not on the HOF? Two, Tim Brown and Chris Carter. They will get in, most people think. Carter would be in now, but for his personality.

Q: How many hall of famers period have more catches and yards than 1,000/12,000?
A: One: Jerry Rice

Only two HOF-ers have more than even 800 catches: Rice, Largent, and Art Monk.

None have even close to his return yardage.

A ring will help, though. Damn that Tyree...

Enshrinement » 2012 Finalists comparative stats: Wide Receivers

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The problem is there are 8 receivers that have accomplished that feat and 7 aren't yet eligible to be in the Hall yet (except for Brown).

1. Jerry Rice
2. Tony Gonzalez
3. Marvin Harrison
4. Cris Carter
5. Tim Brown
6. Terrell Owens
7. Isaac Bruce
8. Hines Ward

Moss will probably also make this list before his career is over. This many receivers suddenly hitting this mark really highlights the difference in receiving statistics. It also speaks to a coming log jam at the position. It will take quite a bit for Welker to make it.

Ivan said:

People keep making that claim but there is absolutely nothing to support it, if anything he just continues to get better and better, and using the logic that he has to get worse doesn't make sense in a day and age where players are lasting longer because of training, medicine, and personal care. People can start talking of Welker's decline when there is evidence on the field of it, and so far there has been absolutely no evidence of that. People said the same things when he had the major knee injury a couple of years ago and he came back better, then they said the 2 TE's would eat up his production, and agin he just got better, so until we actually see Welker slowing down and not playing as well it makes no sense to me to attribute decline to him.


Imo the only reasons for people making these claims is their fascination with draft reviews and numbers and madden ratings, and they flat out ignore his actual play and production, which is off the charts. You simply do not get rid of a player of this caliber in their prime, and that is right where Welker is at. The fans who don't appreciate Welker are morons, plain and simple, he is one of the best players the patriots, and that is obvious, and should be obvious even to the idiot Maddenites who keep ripping on him.

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Slow it down paco. Nobody is busting on your boy. I'm just saying that he isn't there yet. If he goes on for the next 10 years at this pace then sure no problem. He's in. The problem is that you can't just assume it and if you do then you have to assume it for others as well. There are another 5 receivers at around Welker's age that already have more catches and yards then he does in their career. Add that to the 8 or so Hall worthy candidates already waiting to get in and you are going to have bevy of WR waiting. There are only 11 WR already in and maybe a dozen or so that could have similar numbers when they are all set and done.

4 more years like the last 4 and he will be up around 1300 receptions and 14,000 yards. That will top the contemporaries, even Marvin Harrison w. about 1100 catches, by a fair amount.

And that is ignoring his place as a return man.

Nobody but perhaps Tim Brown among all contemporary wide receivers who would merit consideration based upon receiving skills alone (so ignoring pseudo WR specialists like Hester) will come remotely close to Wes in all-purpose yards.

Dont think about quantity, think quality. What is the record for 100+ reception seasons? Rice has 4 and Welker will have 5 after this year.

BSR said:

Slow it down paco. Nobody is busting on your boy. I'm just saying that he isn't there yet. If he goes on for the next 10 years at this pace then sure no problem. He's in. The problem is that you can't just assume it and if you do then you have to assume it for others as well. There are another 5 receivers at around Welker's age that already have more catches and yards then he does in their career. Add that to the 8 or so Hall worthy candidates already waiting to get in and you are going to have bevy of WR waiting. There are only 11 WR already in and maybe a dozen or so that could have similar numbers when they are all set and done.

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21 wide receivers in the hall of fame currently. I expect Moss to be first ballet. TO and Harrison will also get strong consideration.

I am wondering about TO though - the guy has all the stats but he was also a consistent team cancer. Do voters take that into consideration? The guy had awesome stats and a great receiver on the field but he killed lockerrooms left and right wherever he went!

I don't think he will....if he agrees to a deal after the season is over and sticks around...I would imagine he will get into the Patriots HOF though.....

scott99 said:

What say ye all, will Wes wind up in the Hall of Fame ? 600+ catches in 6 seasons w/the Pats. I bet he winds up with at least 900+ catches in his career. I think he makes it to the Hall.

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I don't think that Wes will get in, because I think passing game stat inflation is going to raise the bar significantly enough that Wes' raw production won't be able to overcome the perception that he's "just" a slot receiver and essentially a system player. I'd like to be proven wrong, though.

If he leaves after this season, I think that will basically be the end of his chances to make the HOF. He needs Brady as much as Brady needs him.

stcjones said:

I don't think he will....if he agrees to a deal after the season is over and sticks around...I would imagine he will get into the Patriots HOF though.....

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If he never catches another pass for the Patriots, he'll still belong in the Patriots HOF