58 Passes, Most in His Career

Sciz said:

Another thing about the Seahawks' run defense is that even though Red Bryant is the guy who gets a lot of the credit for the run defense (mainly because the Pats tried to sign him), Alan Branch has been fantastic as a run-stopper inside for Seattle, and Brandon Mebane is a very good overall DT. There may not be a more talented group of three run defenders in the NFL.

Click to expand...

Not disagreeing with you but Odrick-Starks-Soliai should be part of that discussion.

Way to go Daniels 58 pass plays call and QB didn't even throw for 400yds with a stunning 79 Qb rating.:snob: I don't think Rodgers, Brees or Eli would throw it up that many times at not have at least 500yds.

BananaRepublican said:

Completed 45 of 'em, and the Vikings felt each and every one of those darts to the forehead.

Drew Bledsoe Throws 70 Passes Against the Vikings - 1994 - YouTube

Click to expand...

I was at that game - what memories. Pats defense pitched a shutout in the second half....anyone think the 2012 defense will ever shut a team out for a half????

Seattle defense did what they should have and stopped the run. The Patriots offense is potent, but when they become one dimensional, you have your best shot at beating them. Stuff the run and it seriously limits what McDaniels can do.

KontradictioN said:

Seattle defense did what they should have and stopped the run. The Patriots offense is potent, but when they become one dimensional, you have your best shot at beating them. Stuff the run and it seriously limits what McDaniels can do.

Click to expand...

Seattle didn't stuff the run, the Pats threw 47 passes in the first 3 quarters, they went all pass before ever giving the run a chance. The Patriots play calling was one dimensional by design, it was intentional. Now, they did pass fairly effectively but the Pats also did have a few nice runs in the 1st half. It's hard to run the ball when you're in shotgun half your plays, and also when you're overwhelmingly passing the ball over 3/4 of the time.

DropKickFlutie said:

Seattle didn't stuff the run, the Pats threw 47 passes in the first 3 quarters, they went all pass before ever giving the run a chance. The Patriots play calling was one dimensional by design, it was intentional. Now, they did pass fairly effectively but the Pats also did have a few nice runs in the 1st half. It's hard to run the ball when you're in shotgun half your plays, and also when you're overwhelmingly passing the ball over 3/4 of the time.

Click to expand...

Ridley took 16 carries that went absolutely nowhere. They absolutely stuffed the run. The game plan certainly revolved around the passing game, but when it was obvious that we needed to run the ball and tried to do so, Seattle shut it down. That made the Pats completely one dimensional. Personally, I thought we should have used more Woodhead. It was obvious the Seattle defense had trouble tracking him.

KontradictioN said:

Ridley took 16 carries that went absolutely nowhere. They absolutely stuffed the run.

Click to expand...

Ridley ran more in the 4th quarter when it was blatantly obvious the Patriots were running. How many runs did he have in the first half? The first 3 quarters?

That is the point. Whether it's making it completely transparent that you are running in the 4th quarter, or obviously passing it in the first three quarters, why not mix it up a bit better and at least keep the threat of a run present as much as possible? They have gotten away with Brady under center and both TE's in so that you can run or pass at any time.

Seattle's run D is strong, but the Patriots made themselves one-dimensional the first 3 quarters, the Seahawk's didn't make the Patriots one-dimensional.

The Pats ran 85 plays and totaled nearly 500 yards of offense. Moving the ball against the Seahawks was hardly the problem yesterday. In my mind, from a Pats' offensive perspective, here were the plays that doomed them.

2nd quarter, after the fumble by the Seattle punter, the Pats are assured of 3 points. Well, almost. Facing 3rd and goal from the 3, Brady throws one out of the back of the end zone and grounding is called, ending the half and costing them 3 points.

3rd quarter, 1st drive, up 17-10. Pats have the ball 2nd and 4 at the Seattle 13. Ridley loses 3 yards on a run, then Brady completes to Hernandez for a loss of one yard. They settle for a field goal when a TD looked like a very good possibility. Cost them potentially 4 points there.

3rd quarter, up 20-10, about 5 minutes left. Pats are driving again, have 2nd and 5 from the Seattle 45. Brady tries a deep throw to Branch that is way off (either the throw or the route or both) and intercepted at the Seattle 20. They were marching for at least a field goal there. Cost them potentially 3 points.

4th quarter, up 20-10, Pats driving deep into Seattle territory again. 3rd and 1 from the Seattle 6. Should get at least 3 here, but no. Brady's pass is tipped and intercepted. Cost them a certain 3 and potentially 7 points.

4th quarter, up 20-10, Pats driving *again*. Facing 3rd and 2 from the Seattle 17, Ridley's run attempt is smothered for no gain. Settle for a field goal. Cost them potentially 4 points.

4th quarter, clinging to a 23-17 lead, trying to run out the clock. Facing 2nd and 10 from the NE 47, Brady is hit as he throws an incomplete pass at the feet of a lineman. Grounding is called, which costs the Pats 10 yards and a down. They cannot convert a first down.

The Pats left a TON of points on the board. They had no problem, for the most part, moving the ball against Seattle's vaunted defense. But they couldn't make the key play when they needed to. It turns out that they only needed to avoid *one* of these mistakes, but they made them all.

If these two teams played again I have no doubt the Patriots would lay a beatdown on them.

It's been the same old song and dance now since 2007. In tough games the offense implodes in the 4th quarter and the defense couldn't stop "a nose bleed".

whats everyone complaining about. If he were a pitcher he'd have a good 3 innings left in him.

Bassman said:

It's been the same old song and dance now since 2007. In tough games the offense implodes in the 4th quarter and the defense couldn't stop "a nose bleed".

Click to expand...

I agree. I see so many arguments that seem to point the finger at either the offense or the defense, when in fact BOTH made mistakes that cost us the game.

Our secondary just plain sucks. There is no argument against this. They do not have the talent, and the scouting teams for DBs needs to be fired. Find some people who know how to evaluate DB talent....cuz this crew for the last 5 years is clueless.

This offense has more weapons than any other in the NFL. I personally like Josh, but he needs to figure out how to get his number 1 ranked offense to gain a couple lousy 1st downs to close out these tight games. It's ridiculous to be able to move the ball the way we do, and then look like the practice squad in the 4th quarter. Time to find that killer instinct Josh!!

DropKickFlutie said:

Ridley ran more in the 4th quarter when it was blatantly obvious the Patriots were running. How many runs did he have in the first half? The first 3 quarters?

That is the point. Whether it's making it completely transparent that you are running in the 4th quarter, or obviously passing it in the first three quarters, why not mix it up a bit better and at least keep the threat of a run present as much as possible? They have gotten away with Brady under center and both TE's in so that you can run or pass at any time.

Seattle's run D is strong, but the Patriots made themselves one-dimensional the first 3 quarters, the Seahawk's didn't make the Patriots one-dimensional.

Click to expand...

The Patriots threw for 325 yards and ran for 40 in the first three quarters.

yes, they were one-dimensional!

But look at the yards, they dominated the #1 defense in football for 3 quarters.

They went up and down the field.

Mesko punted for the second time in the middle of the 4th quarter!!

upstater1 said:

The Patriots threw for 325 yards and ran for 40 in the first three quarters.

yes, they were one-dimensional!

But look at the yards, they dominated the #1 defense in football for 3 quarters.

They went up and down the field.

Mesko punted for the second time in the middle of the 4th quarter!!

Click to expand...

and in the 4th quarter, they had 5 possessions and managed 3 points

so basically, Pete Carroll did a fantastic job at making adjustments and Belichick no so much.........talk about a reversal of fortunes

is it me, or does it seem that the pats are simply unprepared at times to play at the top level. It just looks like they're not ready to compete for 60 minutes.

Seattle forces you to throw by stacking the box, so their gameplay to throw a lot wasn't wrong. But there were some awful decisions to throw in the redzone when the should have just ran it. When the game is close, yes you put the ball in Brady's hands a let him sling it. But when you're up 13 points in the 3rd quarter 3 and 1 and their 6, there's no reason to throw there and give Seattle elite ballhawking secondary a chance to make a play in tight space in the redzone. Terrible playcalling there.

BananaRepublican said:

Completed 45 of 'em, and the Vikings felt each and every one of those darts to the forehead.

Drew Bledsoe Throws 70 Passes Against the Vikings - 1994 - YouTube

Click to expand...

Wow thanks for the flashback game! That was awesome! Bledsoe was one tough SOB and had a cannon for an arm. He was a gamer back when he was in his prime!

As for Brady... Yeah I hope he never has to attempt 70 passes unless it's like an OT game. That would mean that our run offense had completely failed.