Official Pats v. Seahawks postgame thread

Hawkscanner · Oct 15, 2012

Deus Irae said:
Good, but somewhat overrated defense
Lousy offense

The Patriots should have put up 30+ in this game, but a few mistakes prevented that. Brady missed an open Gronk in the end zone, just for one example. I think the Seahawks can be a problem for others, and I'm not saying that the defense isn't a good one, because it is, but I don't see them as an elite team. Of course, the season's still young and teams develop.

Also, I'm sure I speak for more people than just myself when I entreat you to stick around. We can certainly use more perspectives from fans of other teams.

I've got to say that I honestly don't how exactly how good the Seahawks D truly is or can be ... but we're certainly going to find out. As I mentioned before, the Seahawks travel down to SF play the 49ers on Thursday. That was absolutely brutal of the schedule makers there and feels very much like a trap game to me (Seattle coming off an emotional win and SF coming off a tough loss and playing at home). You want to talk about overrated -- I don't care how well the 49ers offense is playing -- Alex Smith is very much overrated (My very best friend is a 49ers fan. We talk all the time and I tell him the exact same thing).

Personally, I think that you guys may lose a little bit of perspective on how good other teams are because your offense is SO darned good. As I mentioned before, I saw: Montana's 49ers, Aikman's Cowboys, and a lot of other really high powered offenses play -- your offense as it stands today is right up there with all of them in my book. As the announcers mentioned, the last time the Patriots faced the #1 Defense (the Steelers, which I believe was back on 9/14/2010) ... you guys laid 39 points on them.

As far as the Hawks offense is concerned, admittedly it's a work in progress. If there's one thing I've learned from all my years watching football, it's that an offense is only as good as it's offensive line. Back in 2005, we rode that offensive line to the Super Bowl. I mean shoot, with Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson on the left side -- no one was going to make a dent with those 2. Other teams KNEW what the play was that was coming (because Holmgren is SO predictable) ... and STILL no one could stop Alexander from rumbling 10 yards. Your line (frankly) is really, really good. How they kept Brady's jersey clean for much of the day is beyond me -- very impressive. Our current offensive line on the other hand is definitely in flux. Moffit was out today (but even he hadn't been playing his normal RG position) ... Carpenter was playing his first game at LG ... and the rest of the line has been flag city all year. So, we're nowhere near a Super Bowl caliber line IMO at this point -- that's for sure.

Thanks for the kind words there Deus. I'll definitely poke my head in from time to time to give my .02.

IllegalContact · Oct 15, 2012

the seahawks defense is that good.

they gave up 480 yards to a team that had the lead most of the time.

I'll tell you one gig that is up, watch every team start lobbing them up there 10-12 times a game because either their target will make the catch or they will get a flag. this is the worst possible thing for that could happen to the pats for protecting a lead.

dannydyn · Oct 15, 2012

IllegalContact said:
the seahawks defense is that good.

they gave up 480 yards to a team that had the lead most of the time.

I'll tell you one gig that is up, watch every team start lobbing them up there 10-12 times a game because either their target will make the catch or they will get a flag. this is the worst possible thing for that could happen to the pats for protecting a lead.

Couldn't agree more!

Hawkscanner · Oct 15, 2012

moejr said:
Hawkscanner... Before I completely bow out though, I’d love to get your guys’ thoughts on our little team up here in Seattle. Thoughts, observations, etc.?

The obvious is a very good D and an O that can capitalize on a dismal secondary like the Pats. Wilson is gonna get better I think and should be there a while barring a complete meltdown of his skills.

Bottom line is the Pats had them beat and then beat themselves out of a win.

On Russell Wilson, say what you want -- that was a rookie out there today people. Danny O'Neil of the Seattle Times did a very nice piece the other day, comparing Russell Wilson to other rookie QB's coming in to the NFL at the exact same point in their careers. Wilson's performance (even heading in to that game) was right on par with players like Andy Dalton ... and had better stats (believe it or not) than Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, and even Peyton Manning had going in to their 5th Game of the season comparatively speaking. Despite how bad the Patriots secondary truly is ... not every QB out there is able to exploit that. Watching Wilson's play yesterday, I felt somehow like I was watching the emergence of a superstar. It's way too early obviously to dub him that, but he's going to be a good one IMO.

It's funny ... I mentioned this in the Pre-Game thread something that I've been tracking for awhile now. Pete Carroll it seems has a real history of being able to make adjustments (both offensively and defensively) going in to the 2nd half. And today, that beat continued. First half, the Seahawks scored 10 Points ... and scored 14 in the 2nd Half. The Patriots scored 17 Points in the 1st Half ... but only 6 in the 2nd. I've not only gone back to the beginning of the PC Era here in Seattle ... but I tracked that same exact pattern back to his days at USC. So, how much of that was Belichick out "Belichicking himself" (according to Fox Sports) ... and how much of that was Carroll making adjustments? I don't know.

Kontradiction · Oct 15, 2012

DaBruinz said:
So, you think that the offense coming away with 6 points in their last 4 Red Zone chances is the offense doing its job and you can't figure out why people are blaming the offense?

I fully understand why people are blaming an offense that left 22 points on the field. They ARE partially responsible. But so is the defense.

The offense no doubt didn't play up to their usual billing. But they were going against the best defense in the NFL in the loudest stadium in the NFL. You had to expect the offense was going to trade a field goal for a TD one or two times in the game. The shoddy pass defense simply couldn't protect the lead.

PatsFanSince74 · Oct 15, 2012

Hawkscanner said:
I spent most of last week looking forward to this game with you guys, both giving insights in to my team and (of course) looking for scouting reports on your team. ...
One of the local broadcasters up here said it best -- the Patriots Offense has just about everything that you could ever want (Great TE's, great slot receivers, deep threats, and surprisingly shifty RB's. I honestly didn't think that Ridley or Bolden were all that good and was surprised by their elusiveness). Your Offensive Line play today was fantastic. That was a HUGE key to your success IMO. I haven't seen any OL be able to block Seattle's DL -- and they did that quite effectively throughout most of the game, as Brady had all day to throw on many occasions. This is a Super Bowl Caliber offense ... in fact, I'd concur with most experts out there in saying that this is the best offense in the game bar none. ...

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As far as the game itself was concerned ... I ended up being right about the fact that New England would gear up to stop the run ... and that Seattle's plan, therefore, would be to really open it up -- PASS first in order to try to set up the RUN. Wilson's mobility and ability to create on the run really did come in to play much more than I thought it would. The Bottom Line is that Pete Carroll made adjustments going in to the 2nd Half, Belichick didn't, and the Seahawks walked away with a victory. One thing's for sure, Belichick's got to shore up that secondary.

...The Patriots will be fine, as I see them winning the AFC East fairly easily and in the AFC Title game once again. ...

Before I completely bow out though, I’d love to get your guys’ thoughts on our little team up here in Seattle. Thoughts, observations, etc.?

Unlike one or two of your Seahawk compatriots last week, your posts are thoughtful and reflect knowledge of the game. This board has a tradition of making opposition posters who fit that profile part of the "family" and it looks like you are one of them. We'd like to see you out here more often, including when things aren't going so well for your lads.

Yeah, the Pats Offense is clearly among the best in the game, if not the best, but it didn't play like that yesterday. Two turnovers and two intentional groundings and not being able to hold a lead with the ball and three minutes on the clock do not add up to its proudest moment. So, while perhaps not as much as the Defense, it shares pretty heavily in responsibility for the outcome.

I wish I were as sanguine as you about the Pats prospects; for now, I've moved into "next team up" mode and just want them to beat the Jets next week. Then I'll find out whom they play next and focus on how they beat those guys.

As for my view of your team. The grade is Incomplete and pending. Lots of good young players; an accomplished HC who knows how to work with young players; a D that is earning more believers every week. Is Wilson the real deal or a flash in the pan with a bad call and a few throws on the money over a weak Secondary as the top of his resume? We'll all stay tuned. But, if you believe, as I do, that Arizona will soon descend to its expected level after playing way over its head for six weeks, then there's no reason to believe that your guys won't be in the Playoff mix in the end.

I'm going to watch this Thursday's game with a lot of interest. Your team will be in a hostile environment and on a relatively unfamiliar stage with a national audience in a night game, whereas SanFran has grown accustomed to that kind of exposure over the last year. Your guys will be riding a high, while the host team will be pissed off to a fair thee well after the New York Football Giants embarrassed them yesterday in what the 'niners saw as a grudge match to even the score from last year's playoff game. The Seahawks are a ten point 'dog in the early betting. If they keep the game competitive until late in the fourth quarter, it will say a lot about your team.

Hawkscanner · Oct 15, 2012

Joker said:
here's what I saw...the Pats couldn't/didn't rush the A gaps because your D tackles are dominant...Ridley looked overmatched trying to reach the outside.

Yep. I mentioned that throughout the Pregame piece. Those D Tackles (Brandon Mebane and Alan Branch -- Mebane especially.) are VERY, Very good. DE Red Bryant is also extremely good at shutting down the run ... and Jason Jones who rotates in there as well isn't too shabby either. The Hawks have put the clamps on opposing RB's all year long. Actually, your RB's were more effective rushing the ball against us than anyone else all year.

Chandler Jones was the best Patriot defender on the field today and STILL got screwed in the 4th quarter when the refs ,once again, refused to throw flags on obvious holds. Not that it matters, because we expected that before the game. I guess he doesn't get any respect until NEXT season.

Well ... it's been said that you can call holding on every play. Tell me honestly that the Patriots Offensive line wasn't doing a bit of that as well. ALL Offensive Lineman do a bit of that. It's just that the good ones don't get caught as often.

Your QB had three passes for over 40 yards in the 2nd half...THAT is a HUGE Patriot problem. No team lets a receiver get open BEHIND a two deep zone with under 2 minutes left...except, it seems, the current iteration of the Pats secondary...which was playing a rugby player at safety because of injury to the starter. No excuses, but the kid blew a coverage that basically is Football For Dummies 101.

And THAT is precisely the very reason I was predicting before the game that Carroll and company would finally open up the offense ... that the Seahawks would take shots down the field ... and the reason why I felt that the Seahawks would win this game. I didn't realize quite HOW right I was and just HOW big of an Achilles Heel that truly was.

The Pats left points out there today with mistakes that, quite frankly, we haven't seen ANY Patriots team make the past decade. Intentional grounding?? Jeezus...interception at the 5 yard line??...what break DIDN'T the Seahawks get? The Pats lost because they didn't execute BASIC FOOTBALL PLAYS...why?...who the hell knows...I posted in the pregame thread that YOU posted in that the Pats should win by at least two scores IF Brady doesn't throw any INT's and the running game produces first downs...both of these things did NOT happen, which is what I also said would lead to a Seahawk win.

Again,a win is a win, but beyond that, this game was as devoid of implication as any NFL game can be.The Hawks are battling and tied, so are the Pats...division wins are the key and THAT is what we have to key on.

On the Intentional Grounding, Brady's 2 Picks, etc. ... I told you guys before the game -- the CLINK (Century Link Field -- I simply call it Seahawks Stadium, screw all this corporate naming crap throughout the NFL) has been a House of Horrors for teams coming in there for several years now. I've seen stuff like that happen too many times over the years to simply call it a fluke.

As far as the Patriots are concerned as I said before ... I see you guys winning the AFC East quite easily ... and honestly believe that the Texans are your only real competition for the Super Bowl this year. Good luck the rest of the way.

Hawkscanner · Oct 15, 2012

PatsFanSince74 said:
Unlike one or two of your Seahawk compatriots last week, your posts are thoughtful and reflect knowledge of the game. This board has a tradition of making opposition posters who fit that profile part of the "family" and it looks like you are one of them. We'd like to see you out here more often, including when things aren't going so well for your lads.

Thank you very much ... and you bet, as I said, I'd love to pop my head in here every now and then. Maybe not as often as Pherein ... but once in a Blue Moon sure.

Yeah, the Pats Offense is clearly among the best in the game, if not the best, but it didn't play like that yesterday. Two turnovers and two intentional groundings and not being able to hold a lead with the ball and three minutes on the clock do not add up to its proudest moment. So, while perhaps not as much as the Defense, it shares pretty heavily in responsibility for the outcome.

As I said to Joker -- the CLINK has been a House of Horrors for several years now. Things like that happen with teams that go in there on a seemingly regular basis. That's 1 reason I felt good about the Seahawks prospects heading in to this game.

I wish I were as sanguine as you about the Pats prospects; for now, I've moved into "next team up" mode and just want them to beat the Jets next week. Then I'll find out whom they play next and focus on how they beat those guys.

The Jets offense is a joke ... so much so that they are actually calling for Tim Tebow. Now I have all the respect for Tebow in the world as a human being -- in the upper echelon in terms of heart and character. As a QB though ... not so much. I'd just love to see that whole thing blow up in their faces.

As for me, I'm rapidly shifting gears in to overdrive as well ... on to the Niners this week.

As for my view of your team. The grade is Incomplete and pending. Lots of good young players; an accomplished HC who knows how to work with young players; a D that is earning more believers every week. Is Wilson the real deal or a flash in the pan with a bad call and a few throws on the money over a weak Secondary as the top of his resume? We'll all stay tuned. But, if you believe, as I do, that Arizona will soon descend to its expected level after playing way over its head for six weeks, then there's no reason to believe that your guys won't be in the Playoff mix in the end.

I'm going to watch this Thursday's game with a lot of interest. Your team will be in a hostile environment and on a relatively unfamiliar stage with a national audience in a night game, whereas SanFran has grown accustomed to that kind of exposure over the last year. Your guys will be riding a high, while the host team will be pissed off to a fair thee well after the New York Football Giants embarrassed them yesterday in what the 'niners saw as a grudge match to even the score from last year's playoff game. The Seahawks are a ten point 'dog in the early betting. If they keep the game competitive until late in the fourth quarter, it will say a lot about your team.

I agree with you with all of that, especially re: Arizona. They are just good enough to be dangerous ... but not quite good enough to be truly contenders. Before the Arizona game, almost ALL of the posters on .Net were saying that game would be a cakewalk. I was one of the very few who pointed out that they were a dangerous team that shouldn't be taken lightly. Unfortunately, I was right.

Thursday's game should be interesting for sure. Unlike the Patriots, the Hawks obviously KNOW the 49ers very, very well. Almost always the Seahawks-49ers games are an absolute dogfight. I don't care what the stats say of what the 49ers have done up to this point ... their offense isn't as good as it appears to be. Seattle has had a lot of success in the past shutting them down. Both defenses are about on par with one another. It will be a very close ... hard fought game IMO.

Good luck next week against the Jets.

Hawkscanner · Oct 15, 2012

I realized that no one commented on my Lions offense theory in regards to the Patriots Offense. Here is what I wrote last night ...

As I was watching your high powered offense ... and then noticing how Seattle was able to get their offense going more in the 2nd Half a thought occurred to me -- an observation/theory if you will. I'm just wondering if part of the problem with your defense is BECAUSE your offense is so good. Let me explain. As I was watching Brady sling it around and the offense rack up yards ... my mind hearkened back to the 1990s and watching the Lions. Now for those who might not remember those teams, the Lions back in those days (believe it or not) had an incredibly high powered offense. They ran the Run and Shoot offense under OC Mouse Davis ... and it was incredibly impressive. RB Barry Sanders racked up tons of yards on the ground ... WR Herman Moore put up a sickening number of yards ... and the Lions offense could score in a hurry. You'd think that a team that scored THAT much would have won a few Super Bowls ... but they didn't. Eventually though, the Lions decided to move in a different direction away from the Run and Shoot ... and when Mouse Davis went, Barry Sanders decided to bow out. Why did the Lions scrap the Run and Shoot and why don't you really see it much anymore? Well, because the offense could score in a hurry ... the defense didn't have a whole lot of time to rest. They were always out there on the field ... so they were gassed by the 2nd Half and teams could therefore rack up points on them. I'm wondering, just wondering, if that could be part of the issue with the Patriots. That the defense ends up getting tired out because your offense is so good. That might also explain why Pete Carroll is so insistent on wanting to establish the RUN -- to give his defense time to adequately rest. I dunno -- just a thought.

What do you guys think -- any validity whatsoever?

The Gr8est · Oct 15, 2012

Hawkscanner said:
I realized that no one commented on my Lions offense theory in regards to the Patriots Offense. Here is what I wrote last night ...

As I was watching your high powered offense ... and then noticing how Seattle was able to get their offense going more in the 2nd Half a thought occurred to me -- an observation/theory if you will. I'm just wondering if part of the problem with your defense is BECAUSE your offense is so good. Let me explain. As I was watching Brady sling it around and the offense rack up yards ... my mind hearkened back to the 1990s and watching the Lions. Now for those who might not remember those teams, the Lions back in those days (believe it or not) had an incredibly high powered offense. They ran the Run and Shoot offense under OC Mouse Davis ... and it was incredibly impressive. RB Barry Sanders racked up tons of yards on the ground ... WR Herman Moore put up a sickening number of yards ... and the Lions offense could score in a hurry. You'd think that a team that scored THAT much would have won a few Super Bowls ... but they didn't. Eventually though, the Lions decided to move in a different direction away from the Run and Shoot ... and when Mouse Davis went, Barry Sanders decided to bow out. Why did the Lions scrap the Run and Shoot and why don't you really see it much anymore? Well, because the offense could score in a hurry ... the defense didn't have a whole lot of time to rest. They were always out there on the field ... so they were gassed by the 2nd Half and teams could therefore rack up points on them. I'm wondering, just wondering, if that could be part of the issue with the Patriots. That the defense ends up getting tired out because your offense is so good. That might also explain why Pete Carroll is so insistent on wanting to establish the RUN -- to give his defense time to adequately rest. I dunno -- just a thought.

What do you guys think -- any validity whatsoever?

That idea has merit, and we got to witness it from the other side when the Manning Colts were scoring quickly and putting the burden on their less than stellar defense.

The Pats have actually been moving in that direction this year, and have emphasized that this year with a much better run/pass balance; despite what occurred yesterday.

Things went south with that plan when Bolden went out with an injury and Ridley wasn't up to his previous performance. I don't know how much was due to the Pats OL, the Seahawks defense, or Ridley himself ( I suspect that Ridley was playing too timid after his fumble the week before), but Bolden going out changed things.

Props to Woodhead though, that mighty mite has a ton of heart, but he isn't a lead back.

upstater1 · Oct 15, 2012

Hawkscanner said:
On the Intentional Grounding, Brady's 2 Picks, etc. ... I told you guys before the game -- the CLINK (Century Link Field -- I simply call it Seahawks Stadium, screw all this corporate naming crap throughout the NFL) has been a House of Horrors for teams coming in there for several years now. I've seen stuff like that happen too many times over the years to simply call it a fluke.

This may very well be, but the mistake made by the patriots there was not one of panic or too much crowd noise. It was the coaches' decision, after a timeout, to go for a play instead of a field goal.

JJDChE · Oct 15, 2012

Hawkscanner said:
I spent most of last week looking forward to this game with you guys, both giving insights in to my team and (of course) looking for scouting reports on your team. I told myself that win or lose ... I would come back (eat my humble pie if need be) ... and share some thoughts on the game. I'm not here to gloat (well, perhaps a little -- I'll try to stifle my enthusiasm ) ... but honestly would more like to get your guys' thoughts on what we saw out there today.

First of all, let me say that I've seen a lot of drivel on your site from some Patriots fans -- complaining about various aspects of your team and basically saying that your team sucks. I find that completely hilarious because it reminds me so much of the chicken littles who also populate Seahawks.net. In a nutshell, the Patriots have one of the most dominant offenses that I have ever seen. I've seen Montana's 49ers, Aikman's Cowboys, and a lot of other prolific offenses -- this one's every bit as good as any of the great teams I've seen. One of the local broadcasters up here said it best -- the Patriots Offense has just about everything that you could ever want (Great TE's, great slot receivers, deep threats, and surprisingly shifty RB's. I honestly didn't think that Ridley or Bolden were all that good and was surprised by their elusiveness). Your Offensive Line play today was fantastic. That was a HUGE key to your success IMO. I haven't seen any OL be able to block Seattle's DL -- and they did that quite effectively throughout most of the game, as Brady had all day to throw on many occasions. This is a Super Bowl Caliber offense ... in fact, I'd concur with most experts out there in saying that this is the best offense in the game bar none. They gave the Seahawks Defense absolute fits in the first half. I was highly surprised that the Hawks Defense started off by playing off of your receivers (that's not something I've seen much of this year) and your offense was able to march up and down the field at will. In the 2nd Half, I saw a lot tighter coverage. The bottom line is that the Patriots were able to go in to on the road … in to one of THE most hostile environments in the NFL … against one of the Top 5 defenses in all the game … rack up 23 points and a ton of yards (more than anyone has on us all this season) and lose by only 1 point. Pretty darned impressive if you ask me.

As I was watching your high powered offense ... and then noticing how Seattle was able to get their offense going more in the 2nd Half a thought occurred to me -- an observation/theory if you will. I'm just wondering if part of the problem with your defense is BECAUSE your offense is so good. Let me explain. As I was watching Brady sling it around and the offense rack up yards ... my mind hearkened back to the 1990s and watching the Lions. Now for those who might not remember those teams, the Lions back in those days (believe it or not) had an incredibly high powered offense. They ran the Run and Shoot offense under OC Mouse Davis ... and it was incredibly impressive. RB Barry Sanders racked up tons of yards on the ground ... WR Herman Moore put up a sickening number of yards ... and the Lions offense could score in a hurry. You'd think that a team that scored THAT much would have won a few Super Bowls ... but they didn't. Eventually though, the Lions decided to move in a different direction away from the Run and Shoot ... and when Mouse Davis went, Barry Sanders decided to bow out. Why did the Lions scrap the Run and Shoot and why don't you really see it much anymore? Well, because the offense could score in a hurry ... the defense didn't have a whole lot of time to rest. They were always out there on the field ... so they were gassed by the 2nd Half and teams could therefore rack up points on them. I'm wondering, just wondering, if that could be part of the issue with the Patriots. That the defense ends up getting tired out because your offense is so good. That might also explain why Pete Carroll is so insistent on wanting to establish the RUN -- to give his defense time to adequately rest. I dunno -- just a thought.

As far as the game itself was concerned ... I ended up being right about the fact that New England would gear up to stop the run ... and that Seattle's plan, therefore, would be to really open it up -- PASS first in order to try to set up the RUN. Wilson's mobility and ability to create on the run really did come in to play much more than I thought it would. The Bottom Line is that Pete Carroll made adjustments going in to the 2nd Half, Belichick didn't, and the Seahawks walked away with a victory. One thing's for sure, Belichick's got to shore up that secondary.

Anyway like I said before, I honestly believe that the Seahawks needed this victory fan more than the Patriots did. Seriously as I look at the rest of the AFC ... I see Houston as being the only real serious threat to your return to the Super Bowl. The Patriots will be fine, as I see them winning the AFC East fairly easily and in the AFC Title game once again. I would wish you guys good luck next week, but honestly don’t feel you need it (Mark Sanchez? Oooof!) It would be fun if our 2 teams were to meet again in New Orleans in February. Let’s make it a date. Good luck the rest of the way this season.

Before I completely bow out though, I’d love to get your guys’ thoughts on our little team up here in Seattle. Thoughts, observations, etc.?

Hawkscanner said:
I've got to say that I honestly don't how exactly how good the Seahawks D truly is or can be ... but we're certainly going to find out. As I mentioned before, the Seahawks travel down to SF play the 49ers on Thursday. That was absolutely brutal of the schedule makers there and feels very much like a trap game to me (Seattle coming off an emotional win and SF coming off a tough loss and playing at home). You want to talk about overrated -- I don't care how well the 49ers offense is playing -- Alex Smith is very much overrated (My very best friend is a 49ers fan. We talk all the time and I tell him the exact same thing).

Personally, I think that you guys may lose a little bit of perspective on how good other teams are because your offense is SO darned good. As I mentioned before, I saw: Montana's 49ers, Aikman's Cowboys, and a lot of other really high powered offenses play -- your offense as it stands today is right up there with all of them in my book. As the announcers mentioned, the last time the Patriots faced the #1 Defense (the Steelers, which I believe was back on 9/14/2010) ... you guys laid 39 points on them.

As far as the Hawks offense is concerned, admittedly it's a work in progress. If there's one thing I've learned from all my years watching football, it's that an offense is only as good as it's offensive line. Back in 2005, we rode that offensive line to the Super Bowl. I mean shoot, with Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson on the left side -- no one was going to make a dent with those 2. Other teams KNEW what the play was that was coming (because Holmgren is SO predictable) ... and STILL no one could stop Alexander from rumbling 10 yards. Your line (frankly) is really, really good. How they kept Brady's jersey clean for much of the day is beyond me -- very impressive. Our current offensive line on the other hand is definitely in flux. Moffit was out today (but even he hadn't been playing his normal RG position) ... Carpenter was playing his first game at LG ... and the rest of the line has been flag city all year. So, we're nowhere near a Super Bowl caliber line IMO at this point -- that's for sure.

Thanks for the kind words there Deus. I'll definitely poke my head in from time to time to give my .02.

Hawkscanner said:
On Russell Wilson, say what you want -- that was a rookie out there today people. Danny O'Neil of the Seattle Times did a very nice piece the other day, comparing Russell Wilson to other rookie QB's coming in to the NFL at the exact same point in their careers. Wilson's performance (even heading in to that game) was right on par with players like Andy Dalton ... and had better stats (believe it or not) than Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, and even Peyton Manning had going in to their 5th Game of the season comparatively speaking. Despite how bad the Patriots secondary truly is ... not every QB out there is able to exploit that. Watching Wilson's play yesterday, I felt somehow like I was watching the emergence of a superstar. It's way too early obviously to dub him that, but he's going to be a good one IMO.

It's funny ... I mentioned this in the Pre-Game thread something that I've been tracking for awhile now. Pete Carroll it seems has a real history of being able to make adjustments (both offensively and defensively) going in to the 2nd half. And today, that beat continued. First half, the Seahawks scored 10 Points ... and scored 14 in the 2nd Half. The Patriots scored 17 Points in the 1st Half ... but only 6 in the 2nd. I've not only gone back to the beginning of the PC Era here in Seattle ... but I tracked that same exact pattern back to his days at USC. So, how much of that was Belichick out "Belichicking himself" (according to Fox Sports) ... and how much of that was Carroll making adjustments? I don't know.

Holy cow, Dude. One word for you....brevity.

(The forum software made me delete >5,000 characters just to quote your posts from this page!)

Hawkscanner · Oct 15, 2012

JJDChE said:
Holy cow, Dude. One word for you....brevity.

(The forum software made me delete >5,000 characters just to quote your posts from this page!)

HeHeHe ... can you tell that I'm a teacher?

Alright guys ... as I've said many times, good luck this weekend against the Jets. And again, if you could do us a favor by putting a good licking on the 49ers in Week 15, we Seattle fans would very much appreciate that. As for us, the Seahawks once again find themselves as the main event on Thursday -- I anticipate that 49ers-Seahawks game will be insane in terms of the intensity of both teams. As I mentioned above, my best friend is a 49ers fan and I sincerely hope that Thursday is a lot more fun for ME than for HIM.

Catch ya later guys ... it's been good conversing with you all this past week.

Snake Eyes · Oct 15, 2012

Hawkscanner said:
I realized that no one commented on my Lions offense theory in regards to the Patriots Offense. Here is what I wrote last night ...

As I was watching your high powered offense ... and then noticing how Seattle was able to get their offense going more in the 2nd Half a thought occurred to me -- an observation/theory if you will. I'm just wondering if part of the problem with your defense is BECAUSE your offense is so good. Let me explain. As I was watching Brady sling it around and the offense rack up yards ... my mind hearkened back to the 1990s and watching the Lions. Now for those who might not remember those teams, the Lions back in those days (believe it or not) had an incredibly high powered offense. They ran the Run and Shoot offense under OC Mouse Davis ... and it was incredibly impressive. RB Barry Sanders racked up tons of yards on the ground ... WR Herman Moore put up a sickening number of yards ... and the Lions offense could score in a hurry. You'd think that a team that scored THAT much would have won a few Super Bowls ... but they didn't. Eventually though, the Lions decided to move in a different direction away from the Run and Shoot ... and when Mouse Davis went, Barry Sanders decided to bow out. Why did the Lions scrap the Run and Shoot and why don't you really see it much anymore? Well, because the offense could score in a hurry ... the defense didn't have a whole lot of time to rest. They were always out there on the field ... so they were gassed by the 2nd Half and teams could therefore rack up points on them. I'm wondering, just wondering, if that could be part of the issue with the Patriots. That the defense ends up getting tired out because your offense is so good. That might also explain why Pete Carroll is so insistent on wanting to establish the RUN -- to give his defense time to adequately rest. I dunno -- just a thought.

What do you guys think -- any validity whatsoever?

While I think your theory is sound I don't think that's what going on for the Patriots, their offense ground to a halt late in the game, as it did against the Broncos, but many of our drives against the Broncos took a while, giving the defense ample time to rest.

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