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Re: Running The Ball To Force Seattle To Use It's Timeouts

I have no idea how situations like that and our 2nd to last drive in the SB, how we don't come out in that formation and do a play action pass. The offense seems way too predictable at times.

In that situation I'm okay with the run on 1st down. But 2nd down definitely should have been a pass. Our offense has been terrible in the clutch for a while not sure if that will ever change. Even in the AFCG last year where we miraculously held on, it was the same deal we probably should have lost another game that our offense kept squandering opportunities to clinch the game.
 
You don't think the offense is going to get slowed down like that in the postseason? And yet they still handed the D the lead.

Sure but thats not an excuse and doesnt mean they stop playing altogether. 3 times it has happened this season - ravens,broncos and today. They escaped vs the broncos but both ravens and today they failed to get first downs in crucial times which is very unusual for a pats team especially 3 runs to waste a timeout which they never do.
 
I know it's sacrilege to say it, but Brady is not good in the clutch anymore. Unless he gets that mojo back, this team is doomed -- and not just for now, but for as long as he's the QB.

I think someone switched your Meds. The bottle should say risperidone for Delusional Disorder.
 
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I have no idea how situations like that and our 2nd to last drive in the SB, how we don't come out in that formation and do a play action pass. The offense seems way too predictable at times.

In that situation I'm okay with the run on 1st down. But 2nd down definitely should have been a pass. Our offense has been terrible in the clutch for a while not sure if that will ever change. Even in the AFCG last year where we miraculously held on, it was the same deal we probably should have lost another game that our offense kept squandering opportunities to clinch the game.

I was so disappointed that they didn't use the play-action late in the game. Especially when it had been working ALL game.
 
That last TD I think they went at Ebner. I don't know Ebner was even in the game at that point, the Pats had to have known they would have attacked at him immediately. Whoever runs the secondary needs to be replaced in the coaching staff.

Remember Eric Alexander playing at LB in the 2006 AFCCG? It was because they ran out of bodies.

Same scenario here. Gregory was out, and Chung went down.
 
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Re: Running The Ball To Force Seattle To Use It's Timeouts

Was I the only one yelling at my t.v.? We could have closed out the game by throwing it yet we run the ball twice and get stuffed all in the name of forcing seattle to use it's timeouts. That's so OVERRATED in this day in the NFL with everything geared towards passing not to mention the Patriots pass defense is swiss cheese.

No Bill, forcing the seahawks to use up all their timeouts is not going to prevent them from tearing up your sh.it D when it counts. Take the ball.... AND WIN THE GAME!

I am with you. They basically said, ok lets put this game in our (horrible) defense's hands. Made no sense, coaches and players were way off their game today.
 
The funny thing is that people here are blaming the offense. :bricks:

So, you think that the offense coming away with 6 points in their last 4 Red Zone chances is the offense doing its job and you can't figure out why people are blaming the offense?

I fully understand why people are blaming an offense that left 22 points on the field. They ARE partially responsible. But so is the defense.
 
Worst situational football I've ever seen a Belichick coached team play. Both offense and defense were guilty of it.
 
Re: Running The Ball To Force Seattle To Use It's Timeouts

Correct on all accounts. The misconception is that you need to run to force them to burn timeouts. The truth is, they should have just run out the clock themselves by advancing the ball.

The patriots should just keep on playing offense the game like its the First quarter. Just play until the clock ends. Period. Don't change your strategy.

On the other hand, they shouldn't let possibly one of the five worse starters in the league burn them for a 50 yard bomb with 90 seconds left. Idiots.

Sad part is pats never try and run the clock out. They always pass to get a 1st down. Today was defensive coaching
 
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So, you think that the offense coming away with 6 points in their last 4 Red Zone chances is the offense doing its job and you can't figure out why people are blaming the offense?

I fully understand why people are blaming an offense that left 22 points on the field. They ARE partially responsible. But so is the defense.

I kind of agree DaB. I saw the offense struggling, and that might have nothing to do with the Seahawks defense. It happens. I thought either some WR/TE were missing their mark, or the Seahawks studied your routes very well. 58 passes by Brady is crazy. His arm must be killing him,lol.
The rushing game was pretty much stopped, and undependable. Brining up the short pass to make downs.

I really dont think the defense did horrible though. 24pts is the NFL norm. You won TOP. But the big plays are a problem. Almost looked like the DS was surprised by the big throws. Like they had not watched tape on Wilson, or were not prepared to be in place to counter it.

Regardless, its probably a good loss because it does not matter, and BB can BSlap players into reality before the Jets game.
I am pretty surprised by the outcome though.
 
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See.... I TOLD you guys we should have been worried about this game!
 
See.... I TOLD you guys we should have been worried about this game!


you didn't tell ME!!!!...and now look at me...I'm wearing a cardboard belt!!...other fans sail through life but I, Joe Kerr, have struck a reef...I'm reaching out to you...

HELP!!!!!
 
I spent most of last week looking forward to this game with you guys, both giving insights in to my team and (of course) looking for scouting reports on your team. I told myself that win or lose ... I would come back (eat my humble pie if need be) ... and share some thoughts on the game. I'm not here to gloat (well, perhaps a little -- I'll try to stifle my enthusiasm :D) ... but honestly would more like to get your guys' thoughts on what we saw out there today.

First of all, let me say that I've seen a lot of drivel on your site from some Patriots fans -- complaining about various aspects of your team and basically saying that your team sucks. I find that completely hilarious because it reminds me so much of the chicken littles who also populate Seahawks.net. In a nutshell, the Patriots have one of the most dominant offenses that I have ever seen. I've seen Montana's 49ers, Aikman's Cowboys, and a lot of other prolific offenses -- this one's every bit as good as any of the great teams I've seen. One of the local broadcasters up here said it best -- the Patriots Offense has just about everything that you could ever want (Great TE's, great slot receivers, deep threats, and surprisingly shifty RB's. I honestly didn't think that Ridley or Bolden were all that good and was surprised by their elusiveness). Your Offensive Line play today was fantastic. That was a HUGE key to your success IMO. I haven't seen any OL be able to block Seattle's DL -- and they did that quite effectively throughout most of the game, as Brady had all day to throw on many occasions. This is a Super Bowl Caliber offense ... in fact, I'd concur with most experts out there in saying that this is the best offense in the game bar none. They gave the Seahawks Defense absolute fits in the first half. I was highly surprised that the Hawks Defense started off by playing off of your receivers (that's not something I've seen much of this year) and your offense was able to march up and down the field at will. In the 2nd Half, I saw a lot tighter coverage. The bottom line is that the Patriots were able to go in to on the road … in to one of THE most hostile environments in the NFL … against one of the Top 5 defenses in all the game … rack up 23 points and a ton of yards (more than anyone has on us all this season) and lose by only 1 point. Pretty darned impressive if you ask me.

As I was watching your high powered offense ... and then noticing how Seattle was able to get their offense going more in the 2nd Half a thought occurred to me -- an observation/theory if you will. I'm just wondering if part of the problem with your defense is BECAUSE your offense is so good. Let me explain. As I was watching Brady sling it around and the offense rack up yards ... my mind hearkened back to the 1990s and watching the Lions. Now for those who might not remember those teams, the Lions back in those days (believe it or not) had an incredibly high powered offense. They ran the Run and Shoot offense under OC Mouse Davis ... and it was incredibly impressive. RB Barry Sanders racked up tons of yards on the ground ... WR Herman Moore put up a sickening number of yards ... and the Lions offense could score in a hurry. You'd think that a team that scored THAT much would have won a few Super Bowls ... but they didn't. Eventually though, the Lions decided to move in a different direction away from the Run and Shoot ... and when Mouse Davis went, Barry Sanders decided to bow out. Why did the Lions scrap the Run and Shoot and why don't you really see it much anymore? Well, because the offense could score in a hurry ... the defense didn't have a whole lot of time to rest. They were always out there on the field ... so they were gassed by the 2nd Half and teams could therefore rack up points on them. I'm wondering, just wondering, if that could be part of the issue with the Patriots. That the defense ends up getting tired out because your offense is so good. That might also explain why Pete Carroll is so insistent on wanting to establish the RUN -- to give his defense time to adequately rest. I dunno -- just a thought.

As far as the game itself was concerned ... I ended up being right about the fact that New England would gear up to stop the run ... and that Seattle's plan, therefore, would be to really open it up -- PASS first in order to try to set up the RUN. Wilson's mobility and ability to create on the run really did come in to play much more than I thought it would. The Bottom Line is that Pete Carroll made adjustments going in to the 2nd Half, Belichick didn't, and the Seahawks walked away with a victory. One thing's for sure, Belichick's got to shore up that secondary.

Anyway like I said before, I honestly believe that the Seahawks needed this victory fan more than the Patriots did. Seriously as I look at the rest of the AFC ... I see Houston as being the only real serious threat to your return to the Super Bowl. The Patriots will be fine, as I see them winning the AFC East fairly easily and in the AFC Title game once again. I would wish you guys good luck next week, but honestly don’t feel you need it (Mark Sanchez? Oooof!) It would be fun if our 2 teams were to meet again in New Orleans in February. Let’s make it a date. Good luck the rest of the way this season.

Before I completely bow out though, I’d love to get your guys’ thoughts on our little team up here in Seattle. Thoughts, observations, etc.?
 
...Before I completely bow out though, I’d love to get your guys’ thoughts on our little team up here in Seattle. Thoughts, observations, etc.?

Good, but somewhat overrated defense
Lousy offense

The Patriots should have put up 30+ in this game, but a few mistakes prevented that. Brady missed an open Gronk in the end zone, just for one example. I think the Seahawks can be a problem for others, and I'm not saying that the defense isn't a good one, because it is, but I don't see them as an elite team. Of course, the season's still young and teams develop.

Also, I'm sure I speak for more people than just myself when I entreat you to stick around. We can certainly use more perspectives from fans of other teams.
 
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Hawkscanner... Before I completely bow out though, I’d love to get your guys’ thoughts on our little team up here in Seattle. Thoughts, observations, etc.?

The obvious is a very good D and an O that can capitalize on a dismal secondary like the Pats. Wilson is gonna get better I think and should be there a while barring a complete meltdown of his skills.

Bottom line is the Pats had them beat and then beat themselves out of a win.
 
I spent most of last week looking forward to this game with you guys, both giving insights in to my team and (of course) looking for scouting reports on your team. I told myself that win or lose ... I would come back (eat my humble pie if need be) ... and share some thoughts on the game. I'm not here to gloat (well, perhaps a little -- I'll try to stifle my enthusiasm :D) ... but honestly would more like to get your guys' thoughts on what we saw out there today.

First of all, let me say that I've seen a lot of drivel on your site from some Patriots fans -- complaining about various aspects of your team and basically saying that your team sucks. I find that completely hilarious because it reminds me so much of the chicken littles who also populate Seahawks.net. In a nutshell, the Patriots have one of the most dominant offenses that I have ever seen. I've seen Montana's 49ers, Aikman's Cowboys, and a lot of other prolific offenses -- this one's every bit as good as any of the great teams I've seen. One of the local broadcasters up here said it best -- the Patriots Offense has just about everything that you could ever want (Great TE's, great slot receivers, deep threats, and surprisingly shifty RB's. I honestly didn't think that Ridley or Bolden were all that good and was surprised by their elusiveness). Your Offensive Line play today was fantastic. That was a HUGE key to your success IMO. I haven't seen any OL be able to block Seattle's DL -- and they did that quite effectively throughout most of the game, as Brady had all day to throw on many occasions. This is a Super Bowl Caliber offense ... in fact, I'd concur with most experts out there in saying that this is the best offense in the game bar none. They gave the Seahawks Defense absolute fits in the first half. I was highly surprised that the Hawks Defense started off by playing off of your receivers (that's not something I've seen much of this year) and your offense was able to march up and down the field at will. In the 2nd Half, I saw a lot tighter coverage. The bottom line is that the Patriots were able to go in to on the road … in to one of THE most hostile environments in the NFL … against one of the Top 5 defenses in all the game … rack up 23 points and a ton of yards (more than anyone has on us all this season) and lose by only 1 point. Pretty darned impressive if you ask me.

As I was watching your high powered offense ... and then noticing how Seattle was able to get their offense going more in the 2nd Half a thought occurred to me -- an observation/theory if you will. I'm just wondering if part of the problem with your defense is BECAUSE your offense is so good. Let me explain. As I was watching Brady sling it around and the offense rack up yards ... my mind hearkened back to the 1990s and watching the Lions. Now for those who might not remember those teams, the Lions back in those days (believe it or not) had an incredibly high powered offense. They ran the Run and Shoot offense under OC Mouse Davis ... and it was incredibly impressive. RB Barry Sanders racked up tons of yards on the ground ... WR Herman Moore put up a sickening number of yards ... and the Lions offense could score in a hurry. You'd think that a team that scored THAT much would have won a few Super Bowls ... but they didn't. Eventually though, the Lions decided to move in a different direction away from the Run and Shoot ... and when Mouse Davis went, Barry Sanders decided to bow out. Why did the Lions scrap the Run and Shoot and why don't you really see it much anymore? Well, because the offense could score in a hurry ... the defense didn't have a whole lot of time to rest. They were always out there on the field ... so they were gassed by the 2nd Half and teams could therefore rack up points on them. I'm wondering, just wondering, if that could be part of the issue with the Patriots. That the defense ends up getting tired out because your offense is so good. That might also explain why Pete Carroll is so insistent on wanting to establish the RUN -- to give his defense time to adequately rest. I dunno -- just a thought.

As far as the game itself was concerned ... I ended up being right about the fact that New England would gear up to stop the run ... and that Seattle's plan, therefore, would be to really open it up -- PASS first in order to try to set up the RUN. Wilson's mobility and ability to create on the run really did come in to play much more than I thought it would. The Bottom Line is that Pete Carroll made adjustments going in to the 2nd Half, Belichick didn't, and the Seahawks walked away with a victory. One thing's for sure, Belichick's got to shore up that secondary.

Anyway like I said before, I honestly believe that the Seahawks needed this victory fan more than the Patriots did. Seriously as I look at the rest of the AFC ... I see Houston as being the only real serious threat to your return to the Super Bowl. The Patriots will be fine, as I see them winning the AFC East fairly easily and in the AFC Title game once again. I would wish you guys good luck next week, but honestly don’t feel you need it (Mark Sanchez? Oooof!) It would be fun if our 2 teams were to meet again in New Orleans in February. Let’s make it a date. Good luck the rest of the way this season.

Before I completely bow out though, I’d love to get your guys’ thoughts on our little team up here in Seattle. Thoughts, observations, etc.?

I see Zero wrong with this Hawk, and think you would make a welcome regular here. Nice job for your boys, and good win :)
I do still stand were I was before though. You might make the playoffs, but I dont see you getting past SF, at this early date. That could change.
I think you have a surprisingly solid team to even win this game. But your OL and QB issues make winning the show kind of slim. I am also worried about your team depth. I mean if lynch is hurt or your lose Rice, what will happen?
We have lost Thomas and Graham in both playoffs but still manage to get the points.
But maybe I don't know enough about your 2nd string, sorry.
 
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here's what I saw...the Pats couldn't/didn't rush the A gaps because your D tackles are dominant...Ridley looked overmatched trying to reach the outside.

Chandler Jones was the best Patriot defender on the field today and STILL got screwed in the 4th quarter when the refs ,once again, refused to throw flags on obvious holds. Not that it matters, because we expected that before the game. I guess he doesn't get any respect until NEXT season.

Your QB had three passes for over 40 yards in the 2nd half...THAT is a HUGE Patriot problem. No team lets a receiver get open BEHIND a two deep zone with under 2 minutes left...except, it seems, the current iteration of the Pats secondary...which was playing a rugby player at safety because of injury to the starter. No excuses, but the kid blew a coverage that basically is Football For Dummies 101.

The Pats left points out there today with mistakes that, quite frankly, we haven't seen ANY Patriots team make the past decade. Intentional grounding?? Jeezus...interception at the 5 yard line??...what break DIDN'T the Seahawks get? The Pats lost because they didn't execute BASIC FOOTBALL PLAYS...why?...who the hell knows...I posted in the pregame thread that YOU posted in that the Pats should win by at least two scores IF Brady doesn't throw any INT's and the running game produces first downs...both of these things did NOT happen, which is what I also said would lead to a Seahawk win.

Again,a win is a win, but beyond that, this game was as devoid of implication as any NFL game can be.The Hawks are battling and tied, so are the Pats...division wins are the key and THAT is what we have to key on.
 
here's what I saw...the Pats couldn't/didn't rush the A gaps because your D tackles are dominant...Ridley looked overmatched trying to reach the outside.

Chandler Jones was the best Patriot defender on the field today and STILL got screwed in the 4th quarter when the refs ,once again, refused to throw flags on obvious holds. Not that it matters, because we expected that before the game. I guess he doesn't get any respect until NEXT season.

Your QB had three passes for over 40 yards in the 2nd half...THAT is a HUGE Patriot problem. No team lets a receiver get open BEHIND a two deep zone with under 2 minutes left...except, it seems, the current iteration of the Pats secondary...which was playing a rugby player at safety because of injury to the starter. No excuses, but the kid blew a coverage that basically is Football For Dummies 101.

The Pats left points out there today with mistakes that, quite frankly, we haven't seen ANY Patriots team make the past decade. Intentional grounding?? Jeezus...interception at the 5 yard line??...what break DIDN'T the Seahawks get? The Pats lost because they didn't execute BASIC FOOTBALL PLAYS...why?...who the hell knows...I posted in the pregame thread that YOU posted in that the Pats should win by at least two scores IF Brady doesn't throw any INT's and the running game produces first downs...both of these things did NOT happen, which is what I also said would lead to a Seahawk win.

Again,a win is a win, but beyond that, this game was as devoid of implication as any NFL game can be.The Hawks are battling and tied, so are the Pats...division wins are the key and THAT is what we have to key on.

Well said just an unbelievable disaster, 2much little sh-t & mistakes added Up and Cost us again..Seattle, Arizona and Baltimore are very fortunate sounds biased but it's a fact it's very frustrating because I feel we should have at least two or three more Superbowl wins in the past eight years
 
The offense didn't play all world. But they gave the team the lead at the end and the defense proceeded to cough it up.

there was a time when if you gave tom brady the ball with a lead with three minutes on the clock the game was over. i spread the blame more evenly than you do.
 
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