PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

Week 6 at Seattle Seahawks.... piece of cake, right?


Status
Not open for further replies.
TBH, under Pete Carroll that probably won't happen. It's just kinda one of those things that you live with as long as he's coach, and we Pats fans can attest to that.

Honestly, I think that the Seahawks have a better D than anyone that we've faced so far, so I am worried about this game. I could see it being eerily similar to the Cardinals game, if things go badly. ie - I don't expect the Seahawks to have many long, sustained drives against us, but I could see your D creating turnovers and capitalizing. The Patriots really need to hold on to the ball, and so far this season that's uncharacteristically been a problem for them.

Best case scenario, the Pats score 3 touchdowns in the first half and put Seattle in a hole that it can't climb out of. More likely scenario is that it's close throughout.

Really? We've had 3 turnovers so far. If we keep up that pace, we'd have about 10 in the whole season. I don't know, doesn't look like a problem to me.
 
Really? We've had 3 turnovers so far. If we keep up that pace, we'd have about 10 in the whole season. I don't know, doesn't look like a problem to me.

They've put 6 on the carpet. Brady BTW! said that they were having a hard time holding on to the ball, not that they were gifting to the opponents.
 
Last edited:
TBH, under Pete Carroll that probably won't happen. It's just kinda one of those things that you live with as long as he's coach, and we Pats fans can attest to that.

Honestly, I think that the Seahawks have a better D than anyone that we've faced so far, so I am worried about this game. I could see it being eerily similar to the Cardinals game, if things go badly. ie - I don't expect the Seahawks to have many long, sustained drives against us, but I could see your D creating turnovers and capitalizing. The Patriots really need to hold on to the ball, and so far this season that's uncharacteristically been a problem for them.

Best case scenario, the Pats score 3 touchdowns in the first half and put Seattle in a hole that it can't climb out of. More likely scenario is that it's close throughout.

We are not built for that kind of a game. Getting in trouble early would not be good for us. Fortunatly we are not the type of team to get down early. :)

Although many of us fans would like to see them let Russ off his leash a bit and just play. They have IMHO been hampering him with playcalling untill this last week in against the Panthers.

I don't want an early pats lead to make that be the thing to do it though.
 
You'd better re-check your data, because they've put 6 on the carpet.

Fumbles that the Patriots recover don't count as turnovers. They've fumbled 6 times and recovered 3 of those. Actually, my mistake was forgetting about the interception Brady threw against the Cardinals, so they have 4 total turnovers, the second lowest amount in the league.
 
We are not built for that kind of a game. Getting in trouble early would not be good for us. Fortunatly we are not the type of team to get down early. :)

Although many of us fans would like to see them let Russ off his leash a bit and just play. They have IMHO been hampering him with playcalling untill this last week in against the Panthers.

I don't want an early pats lead to make that be the thing to do it though.

Well, if you can choose just 1 secondary for a lousy, or inexperienced, QB to throw against, you might well choose the Patriots, so Seahawks fans have that going for them.
 
Fumbles that the Patriots recover don't count as turnovers. They've fumbled 6 times and recovered 3 of those. Actually, my mistake was forgetting about the interception Brady threw against the Cardinals, so they have 4 total turnovers, the second lowest amount in the league.

Your mistake was in equating

The Patriots really need to hold on to the ball, and so far this season that's uncharacteristically been a problem for them.

directly with turnovers.

The Patriots have lost 3 fumbles, but they've fumbled 6 times.
 
Your mistake was in equating



directly with turnovers.

The Patriots have lost 3 fumbles, but they've fumbled 6 times.

Fair enough. But I still don't see it as cause for concern, actually. The only one I'm slightly worried about is Ridley, because this is becoming a recurring issue for him. There isn't anything to suggest Gronk and Welker will keep fumbling, as they've never really been prone to that throughout their careers.
 
Fair enough. But I still don't see it as cause for concern, actually. The only one I'm slightly worried about is Ridley, because this is becoming a recurring issue for him. There isn't anything to suggest Gronk and Welker will keep fumbling, as they've never really been prone to that throughout their careers.

That's pretty much what BradyFTW! was saying:

The Patriots really need to hold on to the ball, and so far this season that's uncharacteristically been a problem for them.
 
OK, as I promised earlier today -- here is a scouting report of the Seahawks Offense. Fair warning, this one’s a bit extensive. For those who might be interested in a further breakdown of the Seahawks Defense, you can see my earlier posting – #137 (on Page 14)

2012 Seattle Seahawks Offense

Running Backs …

I’m going to start with the RB’s because obviously Marshawn Lynch is getting the lion’s share of the attention going in to this game – and he should really. When Pete Carroll was first hired on by the Hawks, one of the first moves he and GM John Schneider did was to go out and ship Buffalo a 4th Round choice for Lynch (a guy that Pete simply had to have). Lynch is very much the heart and soul of this team -- a tone setter for this offense and the rest of the team. As Marshawn Lynch goes … so goes the rest of the offense in many ways. As I’m sure you also know, stopping Beast Mode is often easier said than done. In all my years watching football, this guy is one of the toughest, hardest, nastiest runners I have ever seen. He’s a bit like the Terminator in many ways – he never, ever quits on a play and you’d better be darn sure you wrap him up and get him down. The Saints found that out the hard way back in 2010. I don’t care if you’re a Seahawks fan or not, that Beast Quake run was nothing short of epic – one of the best runs in the history of the game. If you’ve never had a chance to see it, here is a Youtube clip of it – just watch it as a football fan. As I might have mentioned before, seismologists literally recorded a tremor that coincided with that run. Lynch’s toughness has the effect of rubbing off on his teammates, as he inspires them with the way he plays. Lynch will actually SEEK OUT contact … as getting hit and dealing out punishment actually fires this guy up. Stopping him will be the key to the game IMO because Carroll WANTS very much to implement ball control, dominate the clock, keep away offense. And in spite of what we saw from Lynch this last Sunday (he had a very costly juggled ball that led to an interception) he has pretty good hands and is definitely a receiving threat coming out of the backfield as well.

Besides Lynch, another guy that you’re going to see in the backfield on Sunday from time to time is Robert Turbin – rookie out of Utah State (and ironically, a former teammate of fellow Seahawks rookie MLB Bobby Wagner). Turbin is a guy that IF Marshawn Lynch ever did go down … I think could do an adequate job in handling the load. Turbin’s arms are the size of most guys quads (I kid you not) and he has earned the nicknames, “The Hulk” and “The Turbinator”. To me at least, Turbin looks to run a mite faster than Lynch, but he runs with a different style. Turbin is more of the traditional find the hole, get to it quick, slash runner. – he doesn’t SEEK OUT contact like Lynch. He’s a tough runner as well and a bit of a load (5’10 … 222 pounds). He also has good hands coming out of the backfield. He presents opposing defense his own issues. He’s averaged 4.18 yards/rush on the carries he’s gotten … but has also been utilized in the passing game as well. A very quality RB and IMO, Lynch’s eventual successor.

Leon Washington is another guy you might see a bit in the backfield as a change of pace option … though his real value to this team and where he makes his impact is on Special Teams. I’m sure many of you will remember him from his days with the Jets. Let me tell you, he is still every bit as dangerous as a kick and punt returner – one of the best in the game and very much a threat to go all the way every time he touches the ball.

Fullback Michael Robinson is what he is – a good blocking back who has been used in short yardage, draw situations. Mostly though, they’ll use him to open up holes for Lynch – which he generally does a good job of.

Offensive Line …
Sainthawk was absolutely right in saying that the Offensive Line has been a mixed bag. Going from Left to Right across the line …

LT -- Russell Okung has been the very definition of an enigma. During his rookie season, Okung had a game against the Bears where he went up against Julius Peppers 1:1 and completely neutralized him (both run and pass blocking). That’s the game that every Seahawk fan (including me) keeps hearkening back to when they think about him and the potential of what this guy is capable of. Okung though, has since struggled with injuries and has many out there starting to ponder whether this guy is destined to be fragile (quite ironic, as he was a virtual iron man in college). Okung has appeared slow at times this year and has been guilty of 4 false starts and 2 holding penalties already. He’s got to get it together or he’s going to eventually find himself on the train out of town.

LG -- Paul McQuistan is a guy that I’d have to concur with HawkSoc in calling Solid. I’d call him very much a road grader – good in run blocking, but like the rest of this group has been a bit suspect when it comes to pass protection.

C -- Max Unger is a guy whom I’ve heard absolutely NONE of the local or national media focus on or talk about. And for an offensive lineman, that’s perhaps one of the biggest compliments you can give. He’s a solid vet who (from what I can see at least) doesn’t make a whole ton of mistakes.

RG – (a definite revolving door position) John Moffitt was out for the first game of the season due to still rehabbing from injury (according to Pete, that is), which is why rookie J.R. Sweezy was in there. Sweezy, by the way, is one heck of a story in his own right, as this guy was a 7th Round DEFENSIVE tackle. They converted him to OL in the Pre-season (a position he’s really never played) … and low and behold with his athleticism found himself starting Game 1. Now Moffitt’s back in there (a 3rd Round choice out of Wisconsin) and a guy the coaching staff was really high on last year. He HAS struggled at times in pass protection, but has done relatively well in run blocking. Some of that might have been related to his elbow issues from Elbow surgery last year. If he goes out, I would actually expect them to replace him with James Carpenter, the Hawks #1 Draft Choice from last season. Carpenter had been earmarked as the team’s RT, BUT injuries and inconsistency plagued him there, so they have moved him back to guard. Carpenter is a guy whose natural position IS guard, so I actually expect him to do well there. But as is the case with all Offensive Lineman – you’ve got to have a cohesive group that works together A LOT in order to have good line play. I would fully expect this to be a potential area of weakness that the Pats could exploit.

RT – Breno Giacomini is another guy who one could say has been very Bipolar in terms of his play. In many ways, Breno is the very epitome of the kind of guy you want at that position. At 6’7” 318 pounds, Breno is absolutely huge – a monster, actually in terms of the way he plays. He’s very much a street brawler and guys on the team if asked, “Who would you want with you in a dark alley” would answer “Breno.” But as a real tough guy, Breno has at times been undisciplined, as that mean streak has at times led to penalties. He’s been guilty of his share of holding penalties, false starts, and just dumb play – so much so that Carroll actually pulled him out and had him sit on the pine some during last week’s game. That seemed to refocus him a bit. We’ll see which Breno shows up to play on Sunday. If he does go out, look for Frank Omiyale (former Bears OT and a guy who’s done a decent job when he’s been in there) to be inserted in to the lineup here.

End of Pt 1 --
 
Last edited:
Wide Receivers/Tight Ends …

Like the offensive line, the Hawks receiving corps has also definitely been up and down. Leading off this group, let’s start by talking about Sidney Rice (the former Viking). In 2009 with the Vikes, he had 83 receptions … 1,312 yards … and 8 TD. Rice is a guy who has all the makeup of a #1 Receiver (6’4” 202 pounds with 4.4 speed) and at times (both in games and in practice) can make plays that has you saying, “WOW!” But he’s been wildly inconsistent and injury plagued as well (he had shoulder surgery on both shoulders this past offseason). Through 5 games, he has only 17 receptions and 1 TD. He’s a guy they have to have play well if the Hawks are ultimately going to have any success in 2012.

On the other side, Golden Tate (the most controversial WR in football a couple of weeks ago) is another guy who has had an up and down season. Tate has only 10 receptions, but leads the team in touchdowns (with 3) – albeit one highly questionable. If he gets the ball in his hands, Tate is a playmaker who can make guys miss and get to the end zone.

Former Browns, Jets, and 49ers WR Braylon Edwards is one who made the team this offseason by having a decent Pre-season … but then has caught only 6 passes and seemingly been non-existent as a playmaker thus far. Fans are still waiting on him to make a real impact on this team.

Doug Baldwin would be listed as the 4th WR – an undrafted guy out of Stanford who last year really made a name for himself, leading the team in receptions (51) and showing real toughness and a propensity for making the big play on 3rd down. This year thus far, we’ve not seen that same player yet. In fact, the biggest play that stands out in my mind in regards to Baldwin was in the opener against the Cardinals. With seconds remaining, Russell Wilson threw a strike to Baldwin in the End Zone (a play that would have won the game) … and he dropped it. It was a bit of a difficult play, as Baldwin was fully laid out for the ball and actually broke 2 teeth on that play.

Another who you might see some is Ben Obomanu – a gritty, workman-like veteran who will occasionally catch a pass or 2 … but for the most part, really makes his mark on Special Teams as a gunner.

Turning to the tight ends now, I did have to laugh a bit at an earlier comment made that Seattle’s TE’s aren’t very good. Nothing could be further from the truth, as I’d say that they have actually been Seattle’s best weapons in the passing game thus far.

Zach Miller (6’5” 255) is Seattle’s 2nd leading receiver at this point (which with 12 receptions, doesn’t say all that much) … but in reality is much better than the stats might indicate. Miller has extremely good hands and is a very good blocker as well. Because Seattle’s offensive line struggled so much last season, Carroll and company ended up using him more as a 6th Lineman – which is why he didn’t get a whole ton of pass opportunities last year. In reality, Miller is one of the best TE’s in the league, as he made the Pro Bowl with the Raiders. He has been a very underutilized weapon – something I hope gets corrected as the season goes on.

Anthony McCoy (6’5” 259) is another guy whom you’ll undoubtedly see some on Sunday … and one who really is just starting to come in to his own in my opinion. McCoy is one who has the makeup to be an extremely good TE (both as a receiver and blocker) … but has always been plagued by dropped passes. This past offseason though, McCoy led the Seahawks in receptions … and it was his emergence (coupled with Winslow’s attitude, play, bad knees, and refusal to take a pay cut) that made Kellen Winslow expendable in the eyes of the coaching staff. McCoy already has a TD pass and is someone to watch for in medium passing situations or IF and when the Hawks get close to the goal line.

Quarterback …

At last we come to the biggest controversy in all Seattle surrounding this team – the quarterback situation. As you may or may not know, this team went out in the offseason and wooed Matt Flynn to the tune of 3 years/$26 million. From that point on, many Hawk fans have been looking forward to seeing what this guy can do. But then, Carroll shocked the Northwest by opening up a 3-way competition for the starting position in training camp – saying, that even rookie Russell Wilson was in contention for the job. And well, here we are. Throughout training camp and the Pre-season, it wasn’t as if Flynn played bad (he didn’t, he actually played fairly well at times) – it’s just that every time Russell Wilson stepped on the field, he made things happen and blew the coaching staff’s doors off with his maturity, leadership, work ethic, decision making, arm, etc. For those who don’t know much about Russell Wilson, his pedigree is rather impressive. John Schneider has said that out of all the college prospects coming in to this draft … he had Russell Wilson in his Top 3 players coming out of college (regardless of position). In fact, he was in the conversation for the Heisman last season (though he finished 9th). He’s listed as only 5’10 7/8 inches – the biggest knock on him coming out of college. Outside of the Seahawks, Jon Gruden has been without a doubt his biggest supporter. Many experts have said that if Wilson were only 2 inches taller – he’d have been a top 10 pick in the draft – as height is his only true flaw. People have harped again and again on his height, saying that it will be a big issue for him in the NFL. Other ex-QB’s though have pointed out that his line at Wisconsin last season was the tallest in all of College Football and that you don’t throw through the back of guys heads anyway – you throw through lanes … AND he plays much taller than he actually is because he has a high release point.

Wilson has surprising arm strength and can chuck the ball downfield 50 yards with the flick of the wrist. This past game that strength was on display, as in the 2nd quarter Wilson connected on a beautiful 56 yard bomb to Golden Tate. Unfortunately, the play was called back due to a holding penalty by Breno Giacomini (that is so how the season has gone thus far). Wilson is amazingly accurate, as at Wisconsin, he set the NCAA Record for Completion percentage, completing 72.8% of his passes last season. That accuracy has translated to the NFL, as he has completed 63.2% of his passes thus far. He is also pretty fast and elusive as well, can move around in the pocket, and can make plays with his feet if need be. He has the speed to outrun a lot of defenders (which he’s needed at times, believe me). Russell Wilson has also shown himself to be one heck of a leader. From day one, he showed up and took command on the field. He is literally the first one to show up at the training facility … and the last one to leave, spending countless hours analyzing game film and working to make adjustments in his game. He has said that he wants to be one of the game’s greats and will do whatever it takes to reach that goal.

But for all of the positives and the potential that he brings, Russell Wilson is still a rookie. He has 6 interceptions – some of which not his fault at all – but others like the Pick-6 he gave up very much his fault. The most aggravating thing that I’ve seen thus far are the plays that SHOULD be made … but aren’t. Some like former Husky QB Hugh Millen point out that Russell at times throws to the wrong guys … and doesn’t throw to the guys he should. This past game for example, there was an instance where Golden Tate was covered, but should have been targeted. A veteran QB would simply put a lot of mustard on the ball and zip it in there – but Wilson chose instead to go to a check down receiver. Later on in that game though, he hit Tate on a good strike for a TD. While some might argue Wilson might not be hitting receivers down field because he can’t see them … I have a different theory. Pete Carroll has said repeatedly that he has been holding back the reigns on the offense because he doesn’t want to put too much on Russell Wilson. Carroll has said over and over again – we’ve got to take care of the ball. We simply cannot turn the ball over. The more interviews I hear with players, it seems like I hear them all saying the same thing. I wonder whether or not Wilson is kind of playing scared. He’s thinking -- I can’t make a turnover, I can’t make a turnover – far more than being focused on simply making a play. During the Preseason, it sure appeared as if he was playing more with his hair on fire – just letting go and playing football – and it showed. IMO, the biggest thing that Carroll can do to improve this offense is to start letting go of the reigns and let Russell Wilson play. I believe we started to see some of the clamps start to come off this past weekend with the Panthers and it showed. We’ll see if Pete starts to turn the horses loose or if he continues to keep the reigns tight. If Wilson doesn’t perform well (for whatever reason), I think you’ll start to hear the chants for Flynn grow to a full on crescendo – as many in Hawkville are already calling for Flynn to be the man. It’ll be truly interesting to see what happens this weekend.
 
Thank you Hawkscanner for your write-up on the Seahawks offensive players......That being said,here at patsfans we don't go into hyperbole,much......So, your descriptions of "Quake","Hulk" and "Terminator" and other pubescent descriptions,don't exactly register as "fear factors" to our football sophisticates(sic).

We're very familiar with Marshawn Lynch,Sidney Rice,Braylon Edwards and Zach Miller,etc.
You'll have to excuse me,if I'm not exactly quaking in my boots over Seattle's offensive "prowess".....Led by Russell Wilson and his college completion percentage of 72.8%.

After pretty much handling Chris Johnson,Cj Spiller,Ray Rice and other AFC runningbacks,recently........The thought of losing sleep over Marshawn Lynch and your earthshaking fullback is not high on my list of worries this weekend.Stephen Ridley doesn't have an impressive resume,nor does Bolden,Vereen or Woodhead.Taken as an aggregate,though.......With THIS QB....You had better take note of the Patriots running game.

As to your 5'10and 7/8 in(don't forget the 7/8!!!),who can sling the ball 50yds!.....with a flick of his wrist!!!......I'll still take Manning or Flacco or the old,creaky veteran that we are stuck with.

As to Sidney Rice,Braylon Edwards and Golden Tate....A cadre or receivers,who never met a "drop",that they didn't like.......I believe I'll stick with little welker,gronkowski and hernandez in wheelchairs and all those short little passes that our rag-armed quaterback,throws.

Somehow,we'll make out with these players and coaches,who though not as "pumped and jacked",as the seahawks are......I have a feeling that we will muddle through.....But thanks for playing:singing:
 
OK, as I promised earlier today -- here is a scouting report of the Seahawks Offense. Fair warning, this one’s a bit extensive....

Thanks your posts. Hopefully, they can serve as a nice starting point for a full discussion of the game.

I see Lynch as a beast of a runner who always finds a way to get a big run through power. He's the kind of runner who'd have looked great behind the Patriots O-line of the past 5 years. I consider him the Patriots #1 concern when it comes to the Seahawks offense.

Zach Miller is a quality TE, and that means trouble for the Patriots. This could be a real test for Wilson, who I think will get the starting nod again in this game. Wilson has yet to demonstrate that he's an effective one-on-one cover safety, and the other safety (Chung) couldn't cover a dead mouse in a shoebox, so I expect the Seahawks to work the TE matchups, and to feel capable of throwing to any part of the field.

WR I see as more competitive. Rice doesn't look to me as if he's fully recovered from the hip issues. Seattle's WR group isn't good. NE's DB group isn't good. We could see a lot of suck on both sides in this game.

As for QB, I think BB will do what he usually seems to do with rookie/bad QBs, and put the onus on Wilson. He'll scheme to take Lynch out of the game and force Wilson to make throws. It's the sort of style that lets the QB dregs amass great numbers, but usually lends itself to getting a critical turnover or two to decide the game.
 
Last edited:
Thank you Hawkscanner for your write-up on the Seahawks offensive players......That being said,here at patsfans we don't go into hyperbole,much......So, your descriptions of "Quake","Hulk" and "Terminator" and other pubescent descriptions,don't exactly register as "fear factors" to our football sophisticates(sic).

We're very familiar with Marshawn Lynch,Sidney Rice,Braylon Edwards and Zach Miller,etc.
You'll have to excuse me,if I'm not exactly quaking in my boots over Seattle's offensive "prowess".....Led by Russell Wilson and his college completion percentage of 72.8%.

After pretty much handling Chris Johnson,Cj Spiller,Ray Rice and other AFC runningbacks,recently........The thought of losing sleep over Marshawn Lynch and your earthshaking fullback is not high on my list of worries this weekend.Stephen Ridley doesn't have an impressive resume,nor does Bolden,Vereen or Woodhead.Taken as an aggregate,though.......With THIS QB....You had better take note of the Patriots running game.

As to your 5'10and 7/8 in(don't forget the 7/8!!!),who can sling the ball 50yds!.....with a flick of his wrist!!!......I'll still take Manning or Flacco or the old,creaky veteran that we are stuck with.

As to Sidney Rice,Braylon Edwards and Golden Tate....A cadre or receivers,who never met a "drop",that they didn't like.......I believe I'll stick with little welker,gronkowski and hernandez in wheelchairs and all those short little passes that our rag-armed quaterback,throws.

Somehow,we'll make out with these players and coaches,who though not as "pumped and jacked",as the seahawks are......I have a feeling that we will muddle through.....But thanks for playing:singing:

@Hawkscanner: pretty sure Carpenter gets the start at LG and McQuistan at RG. Moffitts injured again and Sweezy hasn't seen the field since Dallas IIRC.

@italia44: Nobody thinks the pats will get steamrolled against the Hawks. Your entire post, sarcasm included, is whats called a straw man argument, which is kinda just immature and not conducive to friendly and intelligent discussion.

Even PC gives the pats major kudos:
Seahawks: Pete Carroll Conference Call Transcript

Only thing I can say is that no team can expect to walk into centurylink and win convincingly any more.
 
Except GB, they haven't faced one offense ranked in the top 2/3rds of the league. Between Arizona, Carolina, and Dallas, they have played some pretty bad offenses. They played well against GB, but they really need to prove that wasn't more than a fluke.

Also they only beat GB because of a blown call in the EZ.
 
I completely forgot sydney rice went to seattle haha
 
Also they only beat GB because of a blown call in the EZ.

Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that they thoroughly dominated the Packers offense for most of the game.
 
Well, fortunately for us, the NFL doesn't adjust game scores based on what "everyone in the world" thinks.

First off lets forget that the replacement refs can't tell an interception from a TD. Your guy literally pushed a guy to the ground that even the NFL admitted should have been called for PI and would have ended the game with GB winning.
 
Last edited:
There are no cupcakes in the NFL this year.

0-5 Cleveland can play. 1-4 New Orleans is dangerous but a bit shell-shocked given their coaching voids. 2-3 Miami aren't half as bad as I expected. 1-4 Kansas City is seriously under-performing for it's talent. Minnesota, which I thought would completely suck, is 4-1.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.


Monday Patriots Notebook 4/15: News and Notes
Patriots News 4-14, Mock Draft 3.0, Gilmore, Law Rally For Bill 
Potential Patriot: Boston Globe’s Price Talks to Georgia WR McConkey
Friday Patriots Notebook 4/12: News and Notes
Not a First Round Pick? Hoge Doubles Down on Maye
Thursday Patriots Notebook 4/11: News and Notes
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft #5 and Thoughts About Dugger Signing
Matthew Slater Set For New Role With Patriots
Wednesday Patriots Notebook 4/10: News and Notes
Patriots Draft Rumors: Teams Facing ‘Historic’ Price For Club to Trade Down
Back
Top