Going against the Grain... Our Defense played well last night

ivanvamp said:

For the first quarter it did. FWIW.

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The game isn't determined after 15 minutes.

Avenger said:

the defense played lights out the 1st quarter, and would have continued but the Ravens essentially had 5 downs because of the refs.

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The defense allowed 503 yards.
The defense allowed 121 rushing yards on 26 carries
The defense had zero sacks.
The defense allowed 28 of 39 passes completed which is about 73%.
The defense allowed 382 yards on 28 receptions
The defense allowed 4 TDs, 1 FG, in the last 7 drives with a 4th down stop ending an 8 play 47 yard drive and 1 punt.
The defnese took at the Bmore 8 yard line with a 9 point lead and 729 left in the game and allowed:

12
(called for off holding)
6
(penalty 1st down)
21
16
5
27
incomplete
(penalty 1st down)
TD
THEY NEVER EVEN FACED A 3RD DOWN

then starting from the 21
24
3
17
1
incomplete
27 yard PI (the only 3rd down they faced on either drive)
kneel down
Game winner

What exactly is good in all of that?

2 drives 164 yards, 19 plays, including penalties. 10 points. And it only took the 5 minutes and 16 seconds to move all 164 yards.
Total defensive meltdown.

It is an embarassment to good defense to say the Patriots played good defense last night.

ausbacker said:

The game isn't determined after 15 minutes.

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But the great play in the 1st quarter makes the 503 yards and 31 points allowed show how pathetic the final 3 quarters were.

LOL@AndyJohnson.... stats are for losers.


Did you even watch the game?

The stats only look bad due to the way the game was officiated.

How many yards would the Ravens have had if it wasn't for their drives being extended on phantom calls against our defense?

How many yards would Ray Rice have had if our defense wasn't gassed out from being on the field so long on the previous drive that should've ended in a punt, but was instead ending in a TD thanks to the refs?

AndyJohnson said:

The defense allowed 503 yards.
The defense allowed 121 rushing yards on 26 carries
The defense had zero sacks.
The defense allowed 28 of 39 passes completed which is about 73%.
The defense allowed 382 yards on 28 receptions
The defense allowed 4 TDs, 1 FG, in the last 7 drives with a 4th down stop ending an 8 play 47 yard drive and 1 punt.
The defnese took at the Bmore 8 yard line with a 9 point lead and 729 left in the game and allowed:

12
(called for off holding)
6
(penalty 1st down)
21
16
5
27
incomplete
(penalty 1st down)
TD
THEY NEVER EVEN FACED A 3RD DOWN

then starting from the 21
24
3
17
1
incomplete
27 yard PI (the only 3rd down they faced on either drive)
kneel down
Game winner

What exactly is good in all of that?

2 drives 164 yards, 19 plays, including penalties. 10 points. And it only took the 5 minutes and 16 seconds to move all 164 yards.
Total defensive meltdown.

It is an embarassment to good defense to say the Patriots played good defense last night.

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I will take you more seriously from now on. Didn't think you could be objective when it came to the Pats. Not even in this watered down, offense friendly, NFL can what we saw last night be called anything other than horrible.

MrNathanDrake said:

LOL@AndyJohnson.... stats are for losers.


Did you even watch the game?

The stats only look bad due to the way the game was officiated.

How many yards would the Ravens have had if it wasn't for their drives being extended on phantom calls against our defense?

How many yards would Ray Rice have had if our defense wasn't gassed out from being on the field so long on the previous drive that should've ended in a punt, but was instead ending in a TD thanks to the refs?

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How many yards & points would the Pats have had if they didn't award us 8 first downs on penalties last night?? It goes both ways. Say what you want about stats, that defense sucked balls last night.

ausbacker said:

The game isn't determined after 15 minutes.

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:bricks:



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Avenger said:

yes, how many times did we come up with a key stop only for the refs to pull out a BS flag and give them another go? how many times did the D-line get blatantly held?

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People cry about holding every time their team loses.
On FOUR TD drives, we only got to 3rd down 5 times.
They were:
PI on Mayo on 3rd and 6
14 yard completion to Boldin on 3rd and 13
QB scramble for 5 on 3d and 4
TD on 3rd and 4
11 yard pass on 3rd and 2

So to answer your question it happened ONCE on 4 TD drives.
Those TD drives totalled 346 yards and only took 43 plays to do it.
Think about that. They drove 92,92,82 and 80 yards and only needed to convert 5 3rd downs to do it.

On the game winning FG goal drive they went 70 yards in 7 plays including a kneel down, and only needed 1 3rd down conversion.

We were not competitive on defense after the first quarter.

MrNathanDrake said:

LOL@AndyJohnson.... stats are for losers.


Did you even watch the game?

The stats only look bad due to the way the game was officiated.

How many yards would the Ravens have had if it wasn't for their drives being extended on phantom calls against our defense?

How many yards would Ray Rice have had if our defense wasn't gassed out from being on the field so long on the previous drive that should've ended in a punt, but was instead ending in a TD thanks to the refs?

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You should read this from the perspective of a neutral observer then ask yourself if you'd make the same post again.

Tanbass said:

How many yards & points would the Pats have had if they didn't award us 8 first downs on penalties last night?? It goes both ways. Say what you want about stats, that defense sucked balls last night.

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The first downs we got off penalties were mostly legit. Deion Branch being hit in the head with a forearm for example.


While the first down the Ravens were given were off BS phantom "defensive holding" calls.

MrNathanDrake said:

The first downs we got off penalties were mostly legit. Deion Branch being hit in the head with a forearm for example.


While the first down the Ravens were given were off BS phantom "defensive holding" calls.

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Oh I get it.....all the Raven penalties were good calls, and all the Pats calls were bad calls. I see....wow. How could I be so blind??

MrNathanDrake said:

LOL@AndyJohnson.... stats are for losers.

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No calling crap defense good is for losers.

Did you even watch the game?

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Yes I did., I saw us being essentially incapable of stopping anything they did after the first quarter. What were you watching?

The stats only look bad due to the way the game was officiated.

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No the stats look bad because the Ravens ran 65 plays and gained 503 yards on them. A bad call by the ref doesn't excuse letting them walk down the field after it.
The Ravens had 4 TD drives of 92,92,80 and 82 yards, and in those 4 drives combined, we could only force them into a 3rd down 5 times, and they converted all 5. They gained basically 300 yards on 4 drives on only first and second down. That is PUTRID defense.

How many yards would the Ravens have had if it wasn't for their drives being extended on phantom calls against our defense?

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There was ONE 3rd down that resulted in a 1st down on those 4 TD drives, and 1 more on the FG.
I've seen no one call the PI on Mccourty 'phantom'. I'm sure you believe the one on Mayo that they never showed was phantom, right? How can you say it was a bad call if they didn't show it?

How many yards would Ray Rice have had if our defense wasn't gassed out from being on the field so long on the previous drive that should've ended in a punt, but was instead ending in a TD thanks to the refs?

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He had 50 in the first half.
You are blaming not being able to stop the run on the refs? Really?
Why was that drive the refs fault?

MrNathanDrake said:

LOL@AndyJohnson.... stats are for losers.


Did you even watch the game?

The stats only look bad due to the way the game was officiated.

How many yards would the Ravens have had if it wasn't for their drives being extended on phantom calls against our defense?

How many yards would Ray Rice have had if our defense wasn't gassed out from being on the field so long on the previous drive that should've ended in a punt, but was instead ending in a TD thanks to the refs?

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Let me ask you this, had that team last night been the Jets and Jets fans were telling you today that their defense played great, would you take those fans seriously?

MODS:
Can we move this to the practice squad so opposing teams fans don't come here and think this is the way most Pats fans feel?
Its quite embarrassing.

AndyJohnson said:

You are seriously embarassing yourself now

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let it go..i want to see how far he takes it

AndyJohnson said:

The defense allowed 503 yards.
The defense allowed 121 rushing yards on 26 carries
The defense had zero sacks.
The defense allowed 28 of 39 passes completed which is about 73%.
The defense allowed 382 yards on 28 receptions
The defense allowed 4 TDs, 1 FG, in the last 7 drives with a 4th down stop ending an 8 play 47 yard drive and 1 punt.
The defnese took at the Bmore 8 yard line with a 9 point lead and 729 left in the game and allowed:

12
(called for off holding)
6
(penalty 1st down)
21
16
5
27
incomplete
(penalty 1st down)
TD
THEY NEVER EVEN FACED A 3RD DOWN

then starting from the 21
24
3
17
1
incomplete
27 yard PI (the only 3rd down they faced on either drive)
kneel down
Game winner

What exactly is good in all of that?

2 drives 164 yards, 19 plays, including penalties. 10 points. And it only took the 5 minutes and 16 seconds to move all 164 yards.
Total defensive meltdown.

It is an embarassment to good defense to say the Patriots played good defense last night.

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For some football players (and boxers as well), they may not suffer too many concussions, but will get slap around ovre a sustained period of time. Each individual hit may not be a major effect, sure it hurt at the time..but in isloation wasn't the end all be all.

However, it is the cumulative effect that leads to dire situations later in life. Kinda macrocosm of a football season or perhaps even a game.

What I'm trying to say, si that you (and I) have no idea what the effect of all those sustained drives and phantom. calls had on the net effect of the entire game. the issue could have just be that down, that drive, that quarter or even the rest of the game. The easy thing about being i na positino stating what you have stated is it's the fact of what was, not what could have been.

But, we'll never know and the players had to play. Could the defense have been better if it had gotten off the field on early downs that may have been due to penalites? Could the offense have had a better rhytm if they were on the field more frequently? Would the ravens defense have been more tired and not as effective.

All I know is, they lost and time to move on. I'm not sure what will be applicable from this game the next time we play them or any other team, thsi just seemed liek a rare occurence in an NFL game.

The defense was not as bad as the numbers would seem to indicate, and there's no question that calls like the Mayo call (78 yards and 7 points) led to significant numbers that should never have happened. There's just no honest and sober way to say that the defense played well after the first few drives, though.

RelocatedPatFan said:

For some football players (and boxers as well), they may not suffer too many concussions, but will get slap around ovre a sustained period of time. Each individual hit may not be a major effect, sure it hurt at the time..but in isloation wasn't the end all be all.

However, it is the cumulative effect that leads to dire situations later in life. Kinda macrocosm of a football season or perhaps even a game.

What I'm trying to say, si that you (and I) have no idea what the effect of all those sustained drives and phantom. calls had on the net effect of the entire game. the issue could have just be that down, that drive, that quarter or even the rest of the game. The easy thing about being i na positino stating what you have stated is it's the fact of what was, not what could have been.

But, we'll never know and the players had to play. Could the defense have been better if it had gotten off the field on early downs that may have been due to penalites? Could the offense have had a better rhytm if they were on the field more frequently? Would the ravens defense have been more tired and not as effective.

All I know is, they lost and time to move on. I'm not sure what will be applicable from this game the next time we play them or any other team, thsi just seemed liek a rare occurence in an NFL game.

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There were 503 yards of bad defense. Whatever excuse you want to make, they lined up to play those plays and werent competitive.
There was 1 solitary 3rd down penalty in the 4 TD drives. Ironically, it was the one we never saw live (Mayo) yet everyone is ready to throw 4 TDs and a FG in 5 drives and 503 yards into being due to that one play.

If the defense is so bad that one call like that leads to 4 TDs and a FG(which probably would have been a TD if time hadn't run out) in 7 drives, then it sucked even worse than I thought.

Yes there were bad calls, but there was an awful lot of crappy defense being played. To blame it all on one penalty, or pretend that a penalty on 2nd down 'kept the drive alive' when we couldn't barely ever force a 3rd down ATTEMPT is just denial.

Deus Irae said:

The defense was not as bad as the numbers would seem to indicate, and there's no question that calls like the Mayo call (78 yards and 7 points) led to significant numbers that should never have happened. There's just no honest and sober way to say that the defense played well after the first few drives, though.

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It may have been worse than the numbers indicate,since 2 1st quarter drives were stopped by a foot or so, and there wasn't much stopping going on outside of that.
The play of the defense indicates those stops were the exception and 80+ yard drives without even getting to 3rd down on more than a rare occassion were the rule.
First quarter aside, all things equal, it was probably the worst defensive game of the BB era. Unless you want to ignore the plays they played and blame the refs.

I love the Pats but there is just no way to look at that effort last night on either side of the ball and say the game was lost to the officiating. We played poorly and if we continue to play that way against the better teams in the league we will lose more games just like that one, regular officials or replacement officials.

In fact we have lost games exactly the same way the last couple of seasons. the offense goes into a shell at the very end and starts playing not to lose when we have the ball and the ability to put the game away. We instead neither run the clock nor score points and then hand the responsibility to win or lose the game over to our defense playing in a league that now favors aggressive offense by a wide margin. Gotta' win the game when you have the ball. Relying on your defense to win it for you will no longer work as often as it did in the past.

As for the defense, as i have posted before, the other element of the game that has changed via this leagues bias towards offense is that the defense needs more athletes than BB generally has on his defenses. Schemes will only take you so far and then you need playmakers to make plays. BB needs to put an athlete or two in that defensive backfield. Guys that won't trip over their own two feet in an effort to make a play that a real athlete would make easily. Need more athletes back there in a league that allows receives to run free in your secondary.