Breakdown of why McDaniels is the main reason for the loss....

Patriot Missile · Sep 17, 2012

Ive read a lot better breakdowns other than McDaniels of why the Patriots lost. This thread is so chicken little. Mind as well burn McDaniels at the stake in Salem after this fictitious witch hunt. The Pats left a lot of points on the field offensively by lack of blocking, dropped passes etc, poor special teams play.

I don't know why but this loss doesn't bother me as much as it probably should. It was an anomaly as far as the way they executed. Not to mention I'm stuck marveling at the defensively turn around of this team. I know son they will be firing on all cylinders and they will be a force to be wreckoned with.

Ring 6 · Sep 17, 2012

Patriot Missile said:
Ive read a lot better breakdowns other than McDaniels of why the Patriots lost. This thread is so chicken little. Mind as well burn McDaniels at the stake in Salem after this fictitious witch hunt. The Pats left a lot of points on the field offensively by lack of blocking, dropped passes etc, poor special teams play.

I don't know why but this loss doesn't bother me as much as it probably should. It was an anomaly as far as the way they executed. Not to mention I'm stuck marveling at the defensively turn around of this team. I know son they will be firing on all cylinders and they will be a force to be wreckoned with.

Come on he called 3 plays that weren't successful. What more do you need to fire him?

Avenger · Sep 17, 2012

Keep in mind that if BB doesn't like a play call he will change it. Either BB was fine with the play call, or McDaniels made a different call and BB made the "bad" one.

Patriot Missile · Sep 17, 2012

AndyJohnson said:
Come on he called 3 plays that weren't successful. What more do you need to fire him?

Sarcasm aside, how can anyone in their sane right of mind claim that the playcalling is the issue here. I feel like I'm rereading a post from Nem from 6 years ago. I mean seriously? At least 5 doom and gloom threads from 1 poster that are continually merged.

Deus Irae · Sep 17, 2012

Patriot Missile said:
Sarcasm aside, how can anyone in their sane right of mind claim that the playcalling is the issue here. I feel like I'm rereading a post from Nem from 6 years ago. I mean seriously? At least 5 doom and gloom threads from 1 poster that are continually merged.

Yep... it's just a repeat of the usual OC bashing, and it happens with every team's fan base.

I will say that I had real issues with some of the plays run in the game. Toss sweeps against that defense, and heavy running to the right side with Thomas in there are certainly not ideas that I think were particularly brilliant. That's an issue with the game planning, though, not the specific play calls.

JR4 · Sep 17, 2012

McDaniels is the problem with this offense but not for calling a running play
on 1st and 10.
Where I have a problem was calling a running play on a need to get a 1st down situation on 3rd very short yardage on a short field.
Cards knew it was going to be a run and stuffed it.
Why not try a little deception in such a critical situation?
I am not liking McDaniels and some body language from Tom on the
sidelines towards the end of the game seemed to indicate he is not liking
how McDaniels handling this offense either.

The guys gets run out of Denver and St Louis. Why? He better get his act
together. I really hope BB has a sit down with him this week. When is the
last time we saw so many consecutive stalled drives in one game?
Call it execution or maybe it is too many plays called that were difficult to execute even though there were easier options.

PATRIOTSFANINPA · Sep 17, 2012

The only thing McDaniels is responsible for in the loss is the pass play to Edelman which injured Hernandez......Of course Josh didn't see that coming so that one play call hurt but any call can injure so its dumb even to say that
...but thats all I can say negatively about his gameplan.

The bottom line is the Cardinals defense is solid and the Patriots offense is not ready to handle these types of defenses,they have problems with young speedy defenders and they will have another this sunday night.

Teapot · Sep 17, 2012

but hey brandon lloyd has a lot of meaningless catches. great signing this guy josh and brandon

Rob0729 · Sep 17, 2012

There was some bad play calls, but few OCs call a "shutout" every game. He did struggle to adjust to the loss of Hernandez, but some OCs fall apart with a loss like that.

robbomango · Sep 17, 2012

Teapot said:
but hey brandon lloyd has a lot of meaningless catches. great signing this guy josh and brandon

U mad? Santonio holmes get's paid twice as much for almost half the production...

JMarr · Sep 17, 2012

Rob0729 said:
There was some bad play calls, but few OCs call a "shutout" every game. He did struggle to adjust to the loss of Hernandez, but some OCs fall apart with a loss like that.

Don't know if I agree with you here. Yes, the Pats' O is predicated on the 2 TE set, and it is hard to counter Hernandez's versatility. But basically he's one of Brady's 5 primary weapons, so it's not really the same as the Vikes losing AP, or the Chargers when they would lose Gates during a game, etc.

It's been pointed out before, but if you're going to make the offense revolve around any one or two players, you better have a good plan B if one of them goes down. The inability to replace Gronk (at all) arguably cost us the SB last year. I know it's early, but they still certainly need to be able to move the ball even if Gronk or Hernandez isn't on the field.

I like Josh's emphasis on a more balanced pass/run attack. I just hope he's flexible enough to make necessary adjustments, in-game or otherwise.

Dutchmaster617 · Sep 17, 2012

I know Brady usually says cookie cutter lines but I agree with him that it wasn't one play, the INT, the holding, the false start, the missed kick etc.

I will say that this loss SHOULD make us consider how dumb it was to release Stallworth and Gaffney and start the season with only one WR to assist Welker. As soon as Hernandez went down our pass offense looked like...well like ARI, go figure.

olschool · Sep 17, 2012

PatsWickedPissah said:
Yet another bad thread spewed by Linder
An amazing performance by a newbie

Let's see... flubbed catches by Lloyd, Gronk and Welker, a field goal off an interception, a blocked kick for an easy seven points, a flubbed kick by a usually reliable kicker, and penalties up the ying-yang. Oh yeah, and Hernandez missing most of the game.

How are any of these the OC's fault ?

Why am I wasting my time reading Linder's threads ?

Linda_The_Pats_Fan (She was NEM) · Sep 17, 2012

UK_Pat37 said:
You have no clue.

Yes, I do. Hopefully though, I won't be proven to be correct, but I seriously believe that I will be. Oh, and BTW, filtering thru this thread and many others, I am far from alone in my criticism of McDaniels.

Linda_The_Pats_Fan (She was NEM) · Sep 17, 2012

Avenger said:
Keep in mind that if BB doesn't like a play call he will change it. Either BB was fine with the play call, or McDaniels made a different call and BB made the "bad" one.

From what I have read, and heard, BB usually does not interfere with what his coordinators are calling, on both sides of the ball. He has an attitude of letting the coordinators do their jobs.

This does not mean that in certain situations he might not intercede and give his two cents worth, but overall, the coordinators have control of what gets called.

BB does, of course, have final say so on the game plan that the coordinators want to implement, as far as I have heard.

Linda_The_Pats_Fan (She was NEM) · Sep 17, 2012

JR4 said:
McDaniels is the problem with this offense but not for calling a running play
on 1st and 10.
Where I have a problem was calling a running play on a need to get a 1st down situation on 3rd very short yardage on a short field.
Cards knew it was going to be a run and stuffed it.
Why not try a little deception in such a critical situation?
I am not liking McDaniels and some body language from Tom on the
sidelines towards the end of the game seemed to indicate he is not liking
how McDaniels handling this offense either.

The guys gets run out of Denver and St Louis. Why? He better get his act
together. I really hope BB has a sit down with him this week. When is the
last time we saw so many consecutive stalled drives in one game?

Call it execution or maybe it is too many plays called that were difficult to execute even though there were easier options.

There is a lot of merit to your comments. You have hit on some very important facets of what took place during the game that, IMO, were the main reasons for the defeat, eminating from the offensive coordinator's decisions.

And Yes, Brady did have the type of body language that you suggest.

One thing about McDaniels, and this may have a bearing on how he flunked out in Denver and St. Louis, is that he appears to be the type person that does not like to listen to advice from others.

Can I say that for certain? Hell, no, I cant.

But, I will say this. From what I have been reading in here, there are many that DO have some questions regarding his play calling.

For those that are willing to let him off of the hook, I suggest that you pay more attention to what happens on the field very closely, and when those things are happening and what effect they may have on the final outcome of the game, even if the incident occured much earlier.

Linda_The_Pats_Fan (She was NEM) · Sep 17, 2012

JMarr said:
I like Josh's emphasis on a more balanced pass/run attack. I just hope he's flexible enough to make necessary adjustments, in-game or otherwise.

And, that is it in a nutshell of where I believe he is very weak.

I dont know why, but he just gives off an appearance of smugness and that he can do no wrong, and just is not willing to admit it and make quick changes.

Provable? No. But it sure looks like that in many instances.

But, time to move on to Baltimore.

PATSYLICIOUS · Sep 17, 2012

Linda_The_Pats_Fan said:
Here is more detail on how McDaniels messed up.

PATS 1st and 10 at the AZ 36, handoff to Ridley, gained one yard, Pats settled for a 46 yard field goal..................................

PATS 1st and 10 at the AZ 19, handoff to Ridley for three yards, Pats settled for a 34 yard field goal..................

.PATS 1st and 10 at the Arizona 35, after an incomplete pass on first down, on 2nd and 10 McDaniels called a running play, out of the shotgun, to Woodhead for NO GAIN....Pats settled for a 53 yard field goal....

THESE ARE THREE SITUATION WHERE MCDANIELS CRAPPY PLAY CALLING COST THIS TEAM POTENTIAL TOUCHDOWNS, AND THE WIN....

The Pats strength is their passing game, not the running game, and yet McDaniels went away from strength to use weakness......

And, there are many other situations similar to these.....

Sure, they should have made the field goal at the end to win, but they never would have been in that situation, IMO, had it not been for Mcdaniels piss poor play calling.

This one really hurt. But, it is over. We lost and now I will move on..... This one really hurt.

I can tell this is gonna be alot of fun having you on this forum. Thanks for the laugh

PATSYLICIOUS · Sep 17, 2012

JackBauer said:
So...we lost the game because they gave it to Ridley on first down?

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Yeah, duh. How can you be so confused after that wonderful breakdown

Dutchmaster617 · Sep 17, 2012

The lack of WRs is the problem, doesn't matter what Josh calls for Tom Brady...I repeat Tom Brady.

None of these guys are getting open and it seems pretty basic and one dimensional, someone needs to help Lloyd and it isn't going to be Welker or the TEs, Brady isn't 25-28 anymore, I think he needs more depth at weapons.

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