Linda's 3 Merged Threads About Refs (there's room for 4)

Re: [Linda's TWOMerged Threads About Refs]Should the Pats call out officials like Fla

SVN said:

Catch everyball thrown at you between the numbers, block every assignment given to you and play mistake free football then point fingers at the refs. Yesterday's game has nothing to do with the refs.

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One does not exclude the other, and yesterday's game obviously had a lot to do with the refs.

The official that threw the flag??????

Just out of curiosity, nothing else, has he been identified anywhere, name, home town, experience??

Just curious

These were the assigned officials. Does anyone know which one he was?

Referee: Scott, David (92)
Line Judge: Taylor, Rondell (116)
Head Linesman: Castrovinci, Ronald (17)
Field Judge: Trout, George (122)
Umpire: Shavensky, Rick (95)
Side Judge: Griffin, Timothy (41)
Back Judge: Burd, Craig (14)
Replay Official: Creed, ****

Re: [Linda's TWOMerged Threads About Refs]Should the Pats call out officials like Fla

Deus Irae said:

One does not exclude the other, and yesterday's game obviously had a lot to do with the refs.

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Agreed. Not absolving the refs but we played bad enough to lose without the refs so I personally find it hard to fault the refs for the loss. For missed calls yes.But they made bad calls in favor of us in the titans game too. One doesnt make up the other but this happens all the time. We didn't do ourselves any favors.

Re: The official that threw the flag??????

Linda_The_Pats_Fan said:

Just out of curiosity, nothing else, has he been identified anywhere, name, home town, experience??

Just curious

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He is from Tombstone AZ, he has had experience as a ref at Cardinals practices and Cardinals company outings.

I don't know his name but we can rule out Creed, ****.

Thank you though for reading mine.

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PATSNUTme said:

He is from Tombstone AZ, he has had experience as a ref at Cardinals practices and Cardinals company outings.

I don't know his name but we can rule out Creed, ****.

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I heard that he was related to Wyatt Earp.

Re: The official that threw the flag??????

Linda_The_Pats_Fan said:

Just out of curiosity, nothing else, has he been identified anywhere, name, home town, experience??

Just curious

These were the assigned officials. Does anyone know which one he was?

Referee: Scott, David (92)
Line Judge: Taylor, Rondell (116)
Head Linesman: Castrovinci, Ronald (17)
Field Judge: Trout, George (122)
Umpire: Shavensky, Rick (95)
Side Judge: Griffin, Timothy (41)
Back Judge: Burd, Craig (14)
Replay Official: Creed, ****

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Are you talking about the guy who made the correct call on the Gronk hold?

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JJDChE said:

Are you talking about the guy who made the correct call on the Gronk hold?

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No such guy existed on the field.

Re: The official that threw the flag??????

JJDChE said:

Are you talking about the guy who made the correct call on the Gronk hold?

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No one is questioning the fact that, by the book, the call was correct. However, as we all know, and as has been written in may places, unless it is very flagrant the call in that situation would not have been made. And, for that matter, the call of holding could have been called on BOTH of them.

If they did, literally every play in every game would have a sea of yellow flags all over the field.

Experienced NFL officials, IMO, would not have made the call....

I am just curious as to where he is from and the level of his experience as a football official. Nothing more, nothing less.

Re: The official that threw the flag??????

Deus Irae said:

No such guy existed on the field.

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I like the way you worded that. Well done.

Linda_The_Pats_Fan said:

Thank you though for reading mine.

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The title was Linda's 2 merged threads- blah blah. I just changed it to Linda's 3 merged threads- blah blah, because it appeard to be the 3rd thread on the same subject.

Was the title of TWO merged threads, blah blah- wrong. I didn't do that but I can change this one to 2 + one other. Or, change it to "merged threads on the officials not being very good".

PATSNUTme said:

The title was Linda's 2 merged threads- blah blah. I just changed it to Linda's 3 merged threads- blah blah, because it appeard to be the 3rd thread on the same subject.

Was the title of TWO merged threads, blah blah- wrong. I didn't do that but I can change this one to 2 + one other. Or, change it to "merged threads on the officials not being very good".

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Your choice. Thanks for reading them. Appreciated.

Re: The official that threw the flag??????

Deus Irae said:

No such guy existed on the field.

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Correct, or not, there is holding on virtually every play in football, they chose to call that one.

Tedy's chat.

Lastly, did you see a hold by Gronk on the Woody TD run?


Tedy
(12:02 PM)
...Gronk was holding.

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Chat: Chat with Tedy Bruschi - SportsNation - ESPN Boston

Re: The official that threw the flag??????

RayClay said:

Correct, or not, there is holding on virtually every play in football, they chose to call that one.

Tedy's chat.


Chat: Chat with Tedy Bruschi - SportsNation - ESPN Boston

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In a game where there was no call on the two point conversion, there was no hold on the Woodhead TD run.

I'm not sure why this seems to be so difficult for people to get their heads wrapped around. It's not fundamentally different than an NBA official allowing knees to the ass on low block play all game and then suddenly calling it with 15 seconds left in the game, or a MLB umpire giving two inches off the plate for 8 1/2 innings and then squeezing that call in bottom of the 9th or an NHL official allowing high elbows for 59 minutes and then calling it with one minute left.

We rail against these things when they happen because they are not correct within the context of the game, regardless of the letter of the rules, and because we know them to be relatively rare occurrences when the usual officials are in there (OK, it's not quite as rare in the WWE/NBA). In this case, a real official probably doesn't make that call because he's experienced enough to see the context. The replacement official screwed the pooch.

Re: The official that threw the flag??????

RayClay said:

Correct, or not, there is holding on virtually every play in football, they chose to call that one.

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Which was bad judgement and, IMO as most experienced NFL officials will tell you that the time of the game, and the closeness of the score, will dictate whether non flagrant penalties are called.

A quality official will have that in his head as games wind down that a flag could turn the game, one way or the other, to make sure that they do not throw one unless is is very, very flagrant.

And that is why I am curious as to what type of experience this official has had and where he comes from. The latter is because certain areas of the country are more football oriented than other areas, so I am curious. I see nothing wrong with that.

If Gronk didn't hold him we wouldn't be talking about it. I blame Gronk.

Go ahead, blame the guy that was actually doing his job properly. Makes sense.

JJDChE said:

If Gronk didn't hold him we wouldn't be talking about it. I blame Gronk.

Go ahead, blame the guy that was actually doing his job properly. Makes sense.

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Yes, by the letter of the rule, he held. But, so did the Cardinal player. Point is, with the regular officials, and maybe even with most of the replacement officials, that flag would, probably, never have been thrown. The hold, both ways, was not flagrant at all, and did not effect the outcome of the play.

Yes, he did his job properly, by the book, but by the book is not, necessarily, the best way.

Re: The official that threw the flag??????

Linda_The_Pats_Fan said:

Which was bad judgement and, IMO as most experienced NFL officials will tell you that the time of the game, and the closeness of the score, will dictate whether non flagrant penalties are called.

A quality official will have that in his head as games wind down that a flag could turn the game, one way or the other, to make sure that they do not throw one unless is is very, very flagrant.

And that is why I am curious as to what type of experience this official has had and where he comes from. The latter is because certain areas of the country are more football oriented than other areas, so I am curious. I see nothing wrong with that.

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Officials should call the game the same way regardless of the situation. Contrary to the ludicrous suggestion of some here, hooking the defender by his jersey right at the point of attack and turning him around does NOT happen on every play. Again, The officials called the same thing against the Cardinals TWICE earlier in the game.

It seems to me the official has a choice--A.) Call the penalty and "turn the game" while following the rulebook OR B.) NOT call the penalty and "turn the game" while NOT following the rulebook. Call me crazy, but I prefer option A.

JJDChE said:

If Gronk didn't hold him we wouldn't be talking about it. I blame Gronk.

Go ahead, blame the guy that was actually doing his job properly. Makes sense.

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Yours is a silly argument. The one thing that players across all the sports ask for is consistency. There are levels to calls in all leagues, and the officials clearly don't call every incident of every rules violation. So, using your own claim as the basis for evaluation, there's not a single official in the NFL who actually does his job properly, because they do not call every violation of every rule.

JJDChE said:

If Gronk didn't hold him we wouldn't be talking about it. I blame Gronk.

Go ahead, blame the guy that was actually doing his job properly. Makes sense.

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What he said.