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Wes Welker Speculation thread (pure opinion)


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I referenced those debates twice, including the part you quoted. :bricks:
Sorry man!

Just venting at the wrong poster in this insane thread with that reply!
 
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I read your O.P. 3 times before responding to it. When I responded, I put in a gif without words, because I knew where the thread was going to go, and the gif was just a reflection of that. You then came back with a comment about return that made absolutely no sense given BB's history with the franchise tag, yet I didn't respond to that, since I tend to give your posts a soft approach knowing your posting predilections.

The next thing I responded to was your talk about getting as much in return as possible. I simply posted that having Brady happy and Welker's on-the-field production was the best return possible. In response, among other things, you essentially claimed to know what the team was thinking just because they didn't sign Welker to a long-term deal



and then continued the downward spiral by just throwing crap against the wall while not having any evidence, at all, to back your claim:



At that point, along with your follow up post, you were insulting the intelligence of everyone on the board, and I noted that. I then spoke about bowing out of the thread, but you decided to get snarky about "the same old suspects" in a follow up post, so I posted links to other threads on the same, beaten-to-death-and-beyond topic, because that's where your O.P. belonged in the first place.

What's funny is that you posted "This thread isn't going to gain me any popularity points here", yet you still got all offended over people posting against the thread. Now, once again, you decide to fire off, and specifically pointed to me, so here we are. And, on that note, I'd like to think we can end the back-and-forth portion of this.

I got offended over the same 2 people who constantly criticize any kind of thoughts that they don't agree with. No one else really had much of a problem with it, and that's because they understood the nature of the exercise. I would even go as far to say that some of the potential posters who lurk here will not become members due to the pissy nature that is used when in disagreement with others from the same couple guys.

I don't believe in lowering myself to anyone until/unless they choose to do it first. Much like life, I won't back down once confronted, and even then I try and take the higher road. Some have class, while others need a lesson in it.

Saying that "it's not going to get me any popularity points" was a tongue in cheek comment that was meant to keep it light.

As far as "insulting" anyone's opinion, that's why I included the word speculation in my thread itself, and said that "an argument could be made that they wanted to wait until someone got hurt in TC to maximize the trade value."

It was exactly what I said it was--speculation. It shouldn't have offended or "insulted" anyone.

The word "insulting" should be used when that's what someone actually does--insult someone. Nothing about anything about the notion of weighing pros and cons and defending some points should have been considered insulting. It's a football forum used for throwing out ideas and seeing what others think. It's intended to be a fun place where people can go to relax and talk football. If I wanted to compete, I'd save that for law school. That is also why I don't choose to break down point by point, and instead just give an all encompassing post.

As far as any back and forth--yes, let's just leave it at that, but if you're going to bring up 'old' played out topics like "is Waters coming back," and feel as though RECENT events of last night don't warrant another look at the matter, then that is your opinion. As I said, if other reporters and NFL.com etc explored the possibility--then why couldn't I?
 
Should Brady and Wilfork have to be franchise tagged after being unable to come to terms with the team.... Belichick and the front office will be weighing the pro's and con's of trading either one

Welker is under contract, just like Brady and Wilfork. He has played like a HOF player since coming to NE and is in the prime of his career. Getting rid of him on the eve of what could very well be a championship season would be the height of stupidity and would seriously damage their shot at the Lombardi. The Patriots need to win now, not build up picks for the future and trading Welker for future prospects makes no sense at all.
 
Re: Speculation thread (pure opinion)

I got offended over the same 2 people who constantly criticize any kind of thoughts that they don't agree with. No one else really had much of a problem with it, and that's because they understood the nature of the exercise. I would even go as far to say that some of the potential posters who lurk here will not become members due to the pissy nature that is used when in disagreement with others from the same couple guys.

Actually, several people have demonstrated issues with the thread. Mo, Ivan and AndreTippett come quickly to mind.

I don't believe in lowering myself to anyone until/unless they choose to do it first. Much like life, I won't back down once confronted, and even then I try and take the higher road. Some have class, while others need a lesson in it.

Pointing out the problems with your posts wasn't anyone lowering themselves. You posting that stupid crap about usual suspects, on the other hand, was you doing a whole lot of lowering.

As far as "insulting" anyone's opinion, that's why I included the word speculation in my thread itself, and said that "an argument could be made that they wanted to wait until someone got hurt in TC to maximize the trade value."

It was exactly what I said it was--speculation. It shouldn't have offended or "insulted" anyone.

Oh, please. You were piggy backing crap onto crap, and pretending it was meaningful. This isn't X-files. An idiot owner tweeting about a trade, combined with a player missing practice, isn't serious evidence of a specific Welker trade coming down. After all, Gaffney was out, too, yet you didn't go down that road. Why? Because you were just bootstrapping. Also, BB's franchised Mankins, Wilfork, Samuel, Welker and Cassel. The only one who didn't play for the Patriots that season? The guy that was franchised when everyone knew he was going to be traded because Brady was coming back. This is not a Brady scenario. Is it theoretically possible that Welker gets traded? Sure. Is there any real evidence for it at all? No. It's the Alpha Centauri scenario.

The word "insulting" should be used when that's what someone actually does--insult someone. Nothing about anything about the notion of weighing pros and cons and defending some points should have been considered insulting. It's a football forum used for throwing out ideas and seeing what others think. It's intended to be a fun place where people can go to relax and talk football. If I wanted to compete, I'd save that for law school. That is also why I don't choose to break down point by point, and instead just give an all encompassing post.

Actually, "insulting intelligence" is a frequently used term and was a perfect fit in that post.

As far as any back and forth--yes, let's just leave it at that, but if you're going to bring up 'old' played out topics like "is Waters coming back," and feel as though RECENT events of last night don't warrant another look at the matter, then that is your opinion.

Have I started a new "Well, gee, Waters...." thread recently?

As I said, if other reporters and NFL.com etc explored the possibility--then why couldn't I?

Then you should probably post a "Trade Brady" thread while you're at it. After all, if the Patriots could maximize a return, and Peter King once explored the issue, right?
 
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Maybe if you keep posting you'll find that shiny new Moderator badge in your next box of bran cereal.

I for one, enjoyed the OP as much as any opinion piece I've read recently.
 
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If media reporters were exploring the option and brought Welker's name into it, then why would the thread deserve a "LOL?"

First off, they don't call them mediots for nothing. It's all about storylines for them, they could care less if there is anything to them or not. Howe only inquired because the hystrics were annoying him with inquiries.

If others who have better knowledge about the situation and football smarts looked into it, then apparently someone thought it may at least be worth exploring.

Who says they have better knowledge about any situation let alone football smarts...

Again, your social skills are very interesting. Why even bother to throw out an insult for no good reason?

There was a good reason. This is an idiotic thread. The premise being I don't think it's a good idea to trade a player and I certainly am not now proposing they do but do any of you think it wouldn't be a great idea to get value for him before he puts up another thousand plus yard season and then we gt nothing for him because we wouldn't pay him? Several people explained to you why that nonsense is just that.

We get it. You don't agree with exploring the pros and cons of the possibility, but so why not just keep your comments to yourself, or at least make an educated opinion which can still be beneficial to others?

No I don't agree with wasting time speculating about something that isn't going to happen because it's an idiotic idea that has already been beaten to death and debunked.

If you'd bother to have read anything, you'd have seen that I said many, many times that I did NOT want to trade Welker. Please don't lump me in with the people who start the "Trade Brady now" threads. I assumed that you would understand the exercise, and sadly I was wrong.

So to sum up this thread you keep pleading for attention in...

:blahblah: :deadhorse: :beatingcoming: :cry2: :blahblah:
 
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Actually, several people have demonstrated issues with the thread. Mo, Ivan and AndreTippett come quickly to mind.



Pointing out the problems with your posts wasn't anyone lowering themselves. You posting that stupid crap about usual suspects, on the other hand, was you doing a whole lot of lowering.



Oh, please. You were piggy backing crap onto crap, and pretending it was meaningful. This isn't X-files. An idiot owner tweeting about a trade, combined with a player missing practice, isn't serious evidence of a specific Welker trade coming down. After all, Gaffney was out, too, yet you didn't go down that road. Why? Because you were just bootstrapping. Also, BB's franchised Mankins, Wilfork, Samuel, Welker and Cassel. The only one who didn't play for the Patriots that season? The guy that was franchised when everyone knew he was going to be traded because Brady was coming back. This is not a Brady scenario. Is it theoretically possible that Welker gets traded? Sure. Is there any real evidence for it at all? No. It's the Alpha Centauri scenario.



Actually, "insulting intelligence" is a frequently used term and was a perfect fit in that post.



Have I started a new "Well, gee, Waters...." thread recently?



Then you should probably post a "Trade Brady" thread while you're at it. After all, if the Patriots could maximize a return, and Peter King once explored the issue, right?

Tippet and Ivan did nothing more than post their thoughts on why it wouldn't work, so I wouldn't put that in the same category at all.

I'll give you the last word here, because that's what you're known for, so there you go :rocker:
 
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So to sum up this thread you keep pleading for attention in...

Again, classy.

No one was pleading for anything. I was respectfully responding to others, as the majority were.

I don't understand your constant rage and pissiness, but then again, I don't have to.

You and Deus are known for that, and your 55,000 + posts between the two of you are often nothing more than insults and barb shots.

Go back to hiding behind your internet connection, as it seems to make you feel important.
 
Welker is under contract, just like Brady and Wilfork. He has played like a HOF player since coming to NE and is in the prime of his career. Getting rid of him on the eve of what could very well be a championship season would be the height of stupidity and would seriously damage their shot at the Lombardi. The Patriots need to win now, not build up picks for the future and trading Welker for future prospects makes no sense at all.

If they choose to in that direction, it wouldn't be because they want to "get rid of him" as much as it is them making a choice between retaining him for only one or two more years at exorbitant price, versus locking up Hernandez for the long term, seeing that Hernandez is all of 22 years old.
 
If they choose to in that direction, it wouldn't be because they want to "get rid of him" as much as it is them making a choice between retaining him for only one or two more years at exorbitant price, versus locking up Hernandez for the long term, seeing that Hernandez is all of 22 years old.

That's a lot of what some of the 'cons' listed about keeping him at a higher price for one last year were based on. The cap savings could be placed towards the good situation that we are already in for next year, making it an even better situation to lock up some of the guys like Hernandez that will be coming up. Some of the other guys include Vollmer, Chung, Arrington, Spikes, and McCourty.

As many issues, there are pros and there are cons.

At the end of the day, most here/myself included would like to see Welker locked up for the next couple/few yrs. Sadly, that may not happen, so the possibilities were explored for potential maximum trade value now.

I do agree that the benefits coincide with keeping him for one last year, but the situation is certainly a controversial one in some aspects.
 
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Again, classy.

No one was pleading for anything. I was respectfully responding to others, as the majority were.

I don't understand your constant rage and pissiness, but then again, I don't have to.

You and Deus are known for that, and your 55,000 + posts between the two of you are often nothing more than insults and barb shots.

Go back to hiding behind your internet connection, as it seems to make you feel important.

What this post and the one that precede it just underscore is that some here can't tell the difference between disagreement with their original premise or continued defense of it and personal attack, which is what they resort to when someone stands their ground in criticizing the premises of an OP's thread.

You haven't seen my rage here yet, either. ;)
 
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What this post and the one that precede it just underscore is that some here can't tell the difference between disagreement with their original premise or continued defense of it and personal attack, which is what they resort to when someone stands their ground in criticizing the premises of an OP's thread.

You haven't seen my rage here yet, either. ;)

Fair enough then. I will be the first to admit that I don't respond very well to what is perceived to me as someone just being pissy for no reason, so that's on me and something that maybe I need to work on. I just don't like people who act like *******s, nothing more.

As far as not agreeing---that is absolutely understood and encouraged, although I'm not totally sure what you disagreed with due to the fact that I didn't take a hardline stance on either side. I don't have a problem with disagreement, but I'd ask that maybe you try and do it in a somewhat more calmer manner so that there's no misunderstanding in the future.

At any rate, I can honestly guarantee you that I didn't mean to draw any attn or anything negative, even remotely. Apologies for the misunderstanding then.
 
I don't have a problem with disagreement, but I'd ask that maybe you try and do it in a somewhat more calmer manner so that there's no misunderstanding in the future.

I AM calm...what the hell you trying to say???

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Now peeps are speculating Wes to the Colts...Lord no! I think they need Wes to be successful. He along with Gronk, Hernandez, and Lloyd is what separates it from the rest of the AFC.
 
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Now you're just insulting everyone's intelligence. At this point, this can only lead to a rapid decline in an already lousy thread. Given that, I'll just bow out of here.

I was just thinking what a shame it was to read this post, I had another 9 or so pages to read and I thought I'd have to do it without your ridiculously argumentative input.

Alas you didn't disappoint, and came back to belittle people more!

Yay!
 
Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

Given Irsay's comments of late and most of the speculation centered around Mike Wallace being traded to the Colts, could it wind up being Welker traded to the Colts for a 1st?

Just speculating but I think that Edelman could fill Welker's role.

thanks
 
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Duplicate thread, discussed ad nauseum. Mods please merge.
 
Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

Welker isn't getting traded.


Irsay. Yet again. Is full of ****.
 
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