Declining Brady in the playoffs?

II Jangles II said:

I hope Rob Parker gets cancer.

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Stop it dude, this is just a game.

I know, your wishes and mine might have zero impact on the person/team but why wish something terrible on a person just because he bashes our team without any basis?

BananaRepublican said:

This Will Tom Brady Reach Another Super Bowl? - ESPN Video - ESPN is a pretty entertaining argument between Rob Parker, Skip Bayless and Eric Mangini as the latter two fend off a very aggressive Parker who claims Tom's playoff numbers prove that Tom is done making rings.

This is unquestionably a spirited argument with the heat boiling, but there is a disingenuous attempt by Parker (caught in the act) to pad his numbers. It just goes to show you what a desperate mind will do to win an argument based on likes and dislikes.

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Rob Parker rips Bradys post season stats the last few years by dis-regarding his great game vs. Denver. If he does that he also has to remove the 09 playoff game stats against Baltimore; Brady threw 4 ints and 0 tds (I believe). The first year back from Surgery where he wasnt the same yet. Under that logic the real stats are 7 Tds and 3 Ints. That is pretty good against playoff defenses. You cant have it both ways Rob Packer.

Further, most QB's dont light up the stats in the playoffs. The defenses are in the playoffs for a reason. What matters is your ability to win games. Brady has been to 5 superbowls in 10 years as a starter. That has never been matched.

NYCPatsFan said:

Stop it dude, this is just a game.

I know, your wishes and mine might have zero impact on the person/team but why wish something terrible on a person just because he bashes our team without any basis?

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I think that he's a scumbag and I'm being nice.

RhodyPatriot said:

Verrrrrrrry misleading. Don't forget how the Patriots ran up the score and padded Tom's stats against the Broncos in the playoffs last season. Brady had SIX touchdowns and a ridiculous passer rating against that non-playoff worthy Broncos team.
Take that exhibition game away and Brady's playoff numbers from '07 to '11 are pretty mediocre.

Patriots will win it all when they get back to what won them 3 SB's. A really good defense and an offense that can play ball/clock control at critical times.

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If you cherry pick your stats you can prove anything.

The Broncos were without question a playoff worthy team, they won a playoff game against Pitt after all. If we should throw out a game, it should be 2009 against the Ravens when Brady played injured with no Wes Welker.

PATSYLICIOUS said:

Brady's only had 2 or 3 really bad postseason efforts IMO. 2007 AFCC vs. SD, 2009 vs Ravens, 2010 vs. Jets. Maybe the '05 game in Denver too, was off on alot of throws but just one critical error all game.

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The 2006 AFC divisional vs. SD (i.e. the "Troy Brown saves the game!" game) wasn't a great Brady effort, either.

NYCPatsFan said:

Stop it dude, this is just a game.

I know, your wishes and mine might have zero impact on the person/team but why wish something terrible on a person just because he bashes our team without any basis?

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It's not because of his disdain for the Pats. I think he's an idiot, and a terrible "journalist."

The world has no use for trolls, and racists.

II Jangles II said:

I hope Rob Parker gets cancer.

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I cant believe some users liked this comment.

that was way over the line. dude.

II Jangles II said:

It's not because of his disdain for the Pats. I think he's an idiot, and a terrible "journalist."

The world has no use for trolls, and racists.

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But you figure the world has use for the kinds of individuals who wish potentially fatal diseases upon other people?

In two of his last three playoff games Aaron Rodgers has completed only 56% of his passes, as opposed to career average of 65%. In two of his last three playoff games he has a QB rating of 55.4 and 78.5, with more interceptions than touchdowns. Drew Brees has lost two of his last three playoff starts.

According to Parker's logic where you can arbitrarily remove a game to suit your biased opinion, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees are declining also.

II Jangles II said:

I hope Rob Parker gets cancer.

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Then he would become a martyr and a hero, and anybody pointing out how incorrect he is would be blasted for their insensitivity; the politically correct thing to do would be to agree with anything and everything he says while shouting down anybody who disagrees.


Best thing to do is stop watching him, stop talking about him, and stop linking any article, video or audio of his. The moment ratings drop he'll be replaced.

Joey007 said:

Rob Parker is the biggest moron to ever appear on my TV screen. I knew I would hate him the first time I saw him on ESPN.

On the other hand, for the first time ever I agree with Skip Bayless.

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What do you expect from Stephen A. Smith's summer replacement?

He once asked Detroit Lions head coach Rod Marinelli if Marinelli "wished that his daughter had married a better defensive coordinator." Marinellis' daughter was married to Joe Barry, Detroit DC at the time.

Parker himself is divorced and paying child support.

Could someone please call The Detroit Free Press and let them know that Skip Bayless wants them to know that he's found their missing idiot?

Jetssuck said:

If you cherry pick your stats you can prove anything.

The Broncos were without question a playoff worthy team, they won a playoff game against Pitt after all. If we should throw out a game, it should be 2009 against the Ravens when Brady played injured with no Wes Welker.

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The major problem with your initial post is it doesn't take into account that Brady is/was a different player and the Pats' offense is/was different between 01-06 and 07-11. If you take into consideration his compensation and the talent they have surrounded him with the marginal improvement they've seen from him in the postseason could certainly be seen as a failure. IIRC in the regular season he had like an 88 qb rating from 01-06 and 105 from 07-11, so his dropoff in the postseason has certainly been greater in recent years.

I personally view those stats more as evidence that there's a ceiling of play for QBs in the postseason, which means having a balanced team is critical. Hopefully the recent additions to the Pats' defense will help restore a bit of that balance.

Deus Irae said:

But you figure the world has use for the kinds of individuals who wish potentially fatal diseases upon other people?

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For people that deserve it, sure.

II Jangles II said:

For people that deserve it, sure.

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What stage are you in, then?

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! said:

The major problem with your initial post is it doesn't take into account that Brady is/was a different player and the Pats' offense is/was different between 01-06 and 07-11. If you take into consideration his compensation and the talent they have surrounded him with the marginal improvement they've seen from him in the postseason could certainly be seen as a failure. IIRC in the regular season he had like an 88 qb rating from 01-06 and 105 from 07-11, so his dropoff in the postseason has certainly been greater in recent years.

I personally view those stats more as evidence that there's a ceiling of play for QBs in the postseason, which means having a balanced team is critical. Hopefully the recent additions to the Pats' defense will help restore a bit of that balance.

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I didn't take all that into account in my initial post because it was beside the point of Rob Parker's "Brady's done nothing since 'camera issue'."

We could factor in he has had more offensive talent since 2007. We could also factor in that he has played with an injury in more playoff games since 2007 than before 2007 and that he never had to face his personal nemesis Baltimore Ravens in the playoffs from 2001-2006.

the butthurt is overwhelming

Jetssuck said:

I didn't take all that into account in my initial post because it was beside the point of Rob Parker's "Brady's done nothing since 'camera issue'."

We could factor in he has had more offensive talent since 2007. We could also factor in that he has played with an injury in more playoff games since 2007 than before 2007 and that he never had to face his personal nemesis Baltimore Ravens in the playoffs from 2001-2006.

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Oh christ he was using the spygate angle... Now I'm even happier I didn't bother checking this out.

I don't buy any of this garbage. Brady is still a great competitor and would increase the odds of pretty much any team in the league of winning a SB. I wrongly assumed that this idiot's argument was grounded on something more reasonable than "NO SUPERBOWLS!!!!! SPYGATE!!!!" and was pointing out that better numbers don't necessarily mean that Brady has been playing up to par.

A few Patriot accolades since spygate:

- Team, a perfect regular season, only 16-0 season
- Team, fewest TOs in a season
- Team, most consecutive home games won (30)
- Team, four AFCE titles
- Team, two AFC championships
- Team, .800 winning percentage in regular season
- Team, most points in a season
- Team, highest point differential for a season
- Brady, two MVPs
- Brady, all-time TD record for a season
- Brady, most passes without an INT
- Brady, two All Pro seasons
- Brady, four Pro Bowls
- Team/Brady, fewest INT thrown in a season
- Brady, only unanimous MVP, ever
- Belichick, two coach of the years
- Belichick, winning 11 games without the reigning MVP

Believe me, it makes me want to vomit as much as anyone that we don't have the ring to punctuate this list. The "haven't done anything since Spygate" crap is the reason I have this unhealthy burning desire to see SB42 & SB46 avenged.

And god-willing, we will see this list punctuated with ring #4. But the next time someone says the Patriots haven't done anything since Spygate, feel free to verbally slap them in the face with anything on this list.

When we get ring #4, the stupidity can finally end completely. I dream of that day.

Rob Parker is filled with some much Pats hate its sad. "Brady has zero chance of making another superbowl" what an idiot. I understand the media folks are human and like/hate teams as we all do, but shouldnt they at least TRY to pretend to be objective.

patsfan13 said:

Well Brady was injured during the last 2 SB losses, the foot injury in 2007 and the shoulder hurt in the 3rd qtr in the last SB. He also had an injury during the loss to Denver in 2006.

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It's too bad the documentation on all this is so obscured.

I think Parker's intent was to produce some stats that proved that Brady was "over rated" and in such a case you have to look at all of the facts, including injuries. But if the Pats don't make the injury data available that is going to work against Tom when people look at his SB numbers.

To me Parker's argument had no credibility the second he suggested removing the Denver stats from the equation. That is just stacking the deck. That is a political statement.