Junior Seau has died.

Marcellus Wiley reacts to the death of former Chargers teammate Junior Seau.

Athletes react to Junior Seau's death - ESPN

Good view.

Dont know if this has been posted yet. In case it was missed:

Cant coach courage

I though it was an amazing video of an amazing man. RIP Junior, hope there is a football field where ever you are now...

I still can't believe he's dead. He was so young.

I don't know why you captioned my quote.

It was supposed to be a nice close ended post w/ a little surfing clip in the end.

I'm not jumping the gun and I'm definitely not a fan of Tim Brown.

His quote about "life w/o football & routine" is probable though.

IllegalContact said:

Raiders WR Tim Brown alludes to this in asking people to not jump the gun into making this into some concussion-related thing

Tim Brown urges caution before conclusions on Junior Seau | ProFootballTalk


"Brown said he suspects that football had dominated Seau’s life to such an extent that he had a hard time adjusting to life without football — and a hard time finding a reason to get up in the morning."

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AndyJohnson said:

Has it been determined that Seau was clinically depressed?

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I don't think there is any question about it... You have the "fell asleep at the wheel" suicide attempt a few years back following the domestic violence charge and now an actual suicide.

Driving into a tree is a pretty common way that men in particular attempt suicide.

I'm really not familiar with a happy non-depressed person taking their own life. Unless someone has a conspiracy theory he was murdered I think it's pretty clear that he followed Duerson's

The previous out of character behavior - i.e domestic violence - is one possible symptom of a concussion related syndrome. Actual personality change has been documented where people would not recognize you as the same person.

It could even be that Seau himself recognized his personality change and considered himself a danger to his loved ones and may have justified his choice to commit suicide. We will never know.

But I don't fault you or others from expressing anger that he ended his life. I think reminding people that while they may be ending their pain, they cause a huge amount of pain for others. However in their minds, they actually think they are making the best choice for their loved ones.

It's the illness. They feel everyone is better off without them and simply are not thinking clearly.

BoltsFan said:

It's a rare time when I feel like I can commiserate with any other fan base.

I knew Junior. Talked with him on several occasions. He was a good man. He did so much for the SD community. He's got 4 beautiful children he's left behind.

I dunno what was exactly going on with Junior and I don't wanna speculate but the cliff dive was less than encouraging.

I'm heartbroken and so very sad right now. I can't even imagine where his family is at.

RIP Junior.

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What's also interesting about him and his career was the almost universal respect he had in the NFL, even among fans of rival teams, and among the Patsfans fan base when he played for the Chargers and Dolphins.

Suicide is an irrational action that we will never be able to find a rational explanation for.

It makes no sense to us but in Seau's mind, he likely felt his actions were rational and in the best interest of his loved ones... Perhaps thinking about a life insurance payout or just the thought they were better off without him, especially if he felt he was becoming increasingly irrational and dangerous as has been the case with others who had numerous concussions.

Sadly we will never know.

JoeSixPat said:

I don't think there is any question about it... You have the "fell asleep at the wheel" suicide attempt a few years back following the domestic violence charge and now an actual suicide.

Driving into a tree is a pretty common way that men in particular attempt suicide.

I'm really not familiar with a happy non-depressed person taking their own life. Unless someone has a conspiracy theory he was murdered I think it's pretty clear that he followed Duerson's

The previous out of character behavior - i.e domestic violence - is one possible symptom of a concussion related syndrome. Actual personality change has been documented where people would not recognize you as the same person.

It could even be that Seau himself recognized his personality change and considered himself a danger to his loved ones and may have justified his choice to commit suicide. We will never know.

But I don't fault you or others from expressing anger that he ended his life. I think reminding people that while they may be ending their pain, they cause a huge amount of pain for others. However in their minds, they actually think they are making the best choice for their loved ones.

It's the illness. They feel everyone is better off without them and simply are not thinking clearly.

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I agree partially, but i have no time for people who try and cast blame on the individual in situations like this. People have a hard time recognizing that the brain is an organ like any other except way more complex. More things can go wrong and in ways that people currently in a solid state of mind don't really seem to want to try and understand. The blame game is just silly, you don't kill yourself if your brain is functioning properly, and if it's not it is not a matter of "fault." The sooner we can move on from this silly notion of "free will" the better for all of us.

SAN DIEGO (AP) - The San Diego County medical examiner's office has ruled Junior Seau's death a suicide.

The autopsy says Seau died of a gunshot wound to the chest.

The medical examiner's office says it is awaiting a decision by the family on whether to turn over Seau's brain to unidentified outside researchers for study.

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Seau's death ruled a suicide - NFL- NBC Sports

JoeSixPat said:

What's also interesting about him and his career was the almost universal respect he had in the NFL, even among fans of rival teams, and among the Patsfans fan base when he played for the Chargers and Dolphins.

Suicide is an irrational action that we will never be able to find a rational explanation for.

It makes no sense to us but in Seau's mind, he likely felt his actions were rational and in the best interest of his loved ones... Perhaps thinking about a life insurance payout or just the thought they were better off without him, especially if he felt he was becoming increasingly irrational and dangerous as has been the case with others who had numerous concussions.

Sadly we will never know.

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Yes, he may have had this:

Encephalopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That might be why he shot himself in the chest and it might be that he didn't want to leave as much as he wanted it to stop. Or who he knew where things were heading.

They might be able to diagnose it in an autopsy. If it turns out that he had some form of Encephalopathy, that's gonna cause a stir.

i can understand why people would want to know if he'd been on steroids or peds

it's always a curiosity

i'm always curious about athletes, and if they had ever used


i hope seau wasn't , cause if that came out, just like when you hear any steroids stuff about a player who put up awesome numbers or feats, it would taint it , and that would be even sadder.

JoeSixPat said:

I don't think there is any question about it... You have the "fell asleep at the wheel" suicide attempt a few years back following the domestic violence charge and now an actual suicide.

Driving into a tree is a pretty common way that men in particular attempt suicide.

I'm really not familiar with a happy non-depressed person taking their own life. Unless someone has a conspiracy theory he was murdered I think it's pretty clear that he followed Duerson's

The previous out of character behavior - i.e domestic violence - is one possible symptom of a concussion related syndrome. Actual personality change has been documented where people would not recognize you as the same person.

It could even be that Seau himself recognized his personality change and considered himself a danger to his loved ones and may have justified his choice to commit suicide. We will never know.

But I don't fault you or others from expressing anger that he ended his life. I think reminding people that while they may be ending their pain, they cause a huge amount of pain for others. However in their minds, they actually think they are making the best choice for their loved ones.

It's the illness. They feel everyone is better off without them and simply are not thinking clearly.

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I don't necessarily agree with a lot of that, but debating it would be pointless and at this point disrespectful to a man who just passed away and his family.

AndyJohnson said:

I don't necessarily agree with a lot of that, but debating it would be pointless and at this point disrespectful to a man who just passed away and his family.

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There is really nothing to debate. Suicide has been confirmed, and mentally well people don't take their own lives.

I can promise you though that to those who are suicidal, to them, their choice appears to be the most logical - but that's because they are not well. Personality changes are not uncommon with that type of head trauma either.

The rest is just an educated guess from someone who works in the field and thinks its very unlikely that the similarity to Duerson's choice of death was a coincidence.

JoeSixPat said:

There is really nothing to debate. Suicide has been confirmed, and mentally well people don't take their own lives.

I can promise you though that to those who are suicidal, to them, their choice appears to be the most logical - but that's because they are not well. Personality changes are not uncommon with that type of head trauma either.

The rest is just an educated guess from someone who works in the field and thinks its very unlikely that the similarity to Duerson's choice of death was a coincidence.

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As I said, I have no intention to debate this topic out of respect for the memory of Junior Seau. Please respect that and stop replying with argumentative comments. Thank you.

Another moron who leaves a five star rating on a person that died

You really need some help. . . .these threads are not for rating

BradyFTW! said:

It may or may not have been diagnosed, but suicide attempts kinda speak for themselves. Healthy people who objectively have a lot to live for don't just kill themselves for no reason, and that's before you factor in the link between head trauma and depression.

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To me the logical idea of Seau taking his own life is one of three reasons

1) Depression and being unable to seek help and talk it over with a phychiatrist or maybe too embarrassed to do it since he is well known and the media would hunker down on the story.

2) Possibly a rift between the ex-wife and his children,perhaps a legal problem in being able to see his kids and therfore causing more stress in his life.

3) Maybe his entrepreneurship outside of football was struggling within his restaurant chain and money becomes a concern?

Things like these scenerios to me are solid reasons why he would have done this horrible thing.

JoeSixPat said:

There is really nothing to debate. Suicide has been confirmed, and mentally well people don't take their own lives.

I can promise you though that to those who are suicidal, to them, their choice appears to be the most logical - but that's because they are not well. Personality changes are not uncommon with that type of head trauma either.

The rest is just an educated guess from someone who works in the field and thinks its very unlikely that the similarity to Duerson's choice of death was a coincidence.

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You are assuming this was a well-planned, thought out act. That is not proven (certainly not with what we have to work with on an internet web-site). Lots of misconceptions about suicide on this and other threads. It's a pretty complex act to be that neatly defined. The term suicidal runs the gamot from people with long-term depression who "think about killing themselves" for many months/years..... to those who have some devastating event, or life-stressor and the entire contemplation, to action phase lasts about 5 minutes.

We just don't know enough about this to fairly speculate.

PATRIOTSFANINPA said:

Another moron who leaves a five star rating on a person that died

You really need some help. . . .these threads are not for rating

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I am not an active thread-rater, but to me the ratings and the number of thanks given to posts and in a thread show me at a glance that a certain thread has a high number of well-thought-out posts in it and I should take some time to read a lot of it, even if it happens to be dozens of pages long.

It doesn't mean that the topic of the thread is all happy and sunshiny.

I don't get your animosity at all. There are lots of good posts in this thread and if I did rate it I would rate it highly. That does not mean that Junior's decision had not quite literally brought some tears to my eyes. It sure has.

AndyJohnson said:

As I said, I have no intention to debate this topic out of respect for the memory of Junior Seau. Please respect that and stop replying with argumentative comments. Thank you.

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There's nothing argumentative about my comments. Out of respect for Seau, don't suggest they are.

JoeSixPat said:

There's nothing argumentative about my comments. Out of respect for Seau, don't suggest they are.

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Just can't help yourself can you?

Saying nothing about your opinion is debatable and "I can promise you" what was going on in another persons mind are eminently argumentative, not to mention the opinions that you present as if they were fact.

ONCE AGAIN, I do not wish to discuss this in the context of the memory of Junior Seau. I have asked a number of times. Are you capable of simply dropping it? I am sure that if you continue to try to goad me into a debate it will end up happening, and such a debate will end up disrespectfiul to the Seau famlily.
I will say once again PLEASE respect that and stop replying with argumentative comments.

AndyJohnson said:

ONCE AGAIN, I do not wish to discuss this in the context of the memory of Junior Seau.

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Then don't.