Junior Seau has died.

Weklah83 said:

anyone else hear SCOTT ZOLAK shtting on Seau on 98.5?


calling him an overrated pile jumper, saying how his team dominated him every time he played against him etc..

are you kidding me?

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I run hot and cold on Zolak, sometimes he seems to say stuff for the ratings game and to create nontroversies.. other times he has some really good insight..

DarrylS said:

I run hot and cold on Zolak, sometimes he seems to say stuff for the ratings game and to create nontroversies.. other times he has some really good insight..

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guy obviously has some sort of complex about not being more than a backup in his day, for example the way he was over the top anti-Tebow just cuz he was butt hurt and jealous of his success

God Bless #55

The media=talk

talk=talk (in ref. to prev. posts.)

Anyway...
Gonna miss Junior Seau.
Junior was addicted to playing Football.

I always admired his energy and freedom of expression.
He was just as passionate on the field and I was amazed at how long his tenure in the NFL and football actually was. A guy I used to work with grew up with him and told of how he excelled in athletics-he was the best.

I really wish he earned a Super Bowl title with us (He deserved it!)-even though he played in Miami and SD previously.

I remember when he fractured his arm in a game. It was a nasty sight. They threw it in an air cast....it's probably on Youtube.
I remember reading that he could barely get out of bed in the a.m.-but he did...into his forties!
There are MANY other stories about him that define a real Football Player.

I don't think he could retire.

I know he had other issues in his personal life....finances....the car incident....knew something was up.

I feel bad for his family,loved ones and those who knew or met him.
Also wanted to thank him for his fight and energy here in NE.

R.I.P. Junior:rocker:

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Raiders WR Tim Brown alludes to this in asking people to not jump the gun into making this into some concussion-related thing

Tim Brown urges caution before conclusions on Junior Seau | ProFootballTalk


"Brown said he suspects that football had dominated Seau’s life to such an extent that he had a hard time adjusting to life without football — and a hard time finding a reason to get up in the morning."

RoughingthePasser said:

The media=talk

talk=talk (in ref. to prev. posts.)

Anyway...
Gonna miss Junior Seau.
Junior was addicted to playing Football.

I always admired his energy and freedom of expression.
He was just as passionate on the field and I was amazed at how long his tenure in the NFL and football actually was. A guy I used to work with grew up with him and told of how he excelled in athletics-he was the best.

I really wish he earned a Super Bowl title with us (He deserved it!)-even though he played in Miami and SD previously.

I remember when he fractured his arm in a game. It was a nasty sight. They threw it in an air cast....it's probably on Youtube.
I remember reading that he could barely get out of bed in the a.m.-but he did...into his forties!
There are MANY other stories about him that define a real Football Player.

I don't think he could retire.

I know he had other issues in his personal life....finances....the car incident....knew something was up.

I feel bad for his family,loved ones and those who knew or met him.
Also wanted to thank him for his fight and energy here in NE.

R.I.P. Junior:rocker:

Point Break - Final Scene - YouTube

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Weklah83 said:

anyone else hear SCOTT ZOLAK shtting on Seau on 98.5?


calling him an overrated pile jumper, saying how his team dominated him every time he played against him etc..

are you kidding me?

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No, I don't listen to sports radio so don't know what Zolak said, but if the paraphrase above is accurate, he does have a point. I remember that Sam Gash often destroyed Seau when the Pats played the Bolts. So I held some of Zolak's same sentiments until Seau was signed by BB and I got to see him on the field weekly. But it was just poor timing for Zo to have uttered these sentiments. Overrated or not, he's still a first ballot HOF and as others have said, I'm sad we'll never hear his induction speech.

IllegalContact said:

Raiders WR Tim Brown alludes to this in asking people to not jump the gun into making this into some concussion-related thing

Tim Brown urges caution before conclusions on Junior Seau | ProFootballTalk


"Brown said he suspects that football had dominated Seau’s life to such an extent that he had a hard time adjusting to life without football — and a hard time finding a reason to get up in the morning."

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I have to wonder if there was a medical diagnosis that made him think that this was a better way out. I have seen stories on football players with ALS. I could not put my family through that.

Wotan_the_Wanderer said:

No, I don't listen to sports radio so don't know what Zolak said, but if the paraphrase above is accurate, he does have a point. I remember that Sam Gash often destroyed Seau when the Pats played the Bolts. So I held some of Zolak's same sentiments until Seau was signed by BB and I got to see him on the field weekly. But it was just poor timing for Zo to have uttered these sentiments. Overrated or not, he's still a first ballot HOF and as others have said, I'm sad we'll never hear his induction speech.

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pretty disrespectful, how is a guy who was Drew Bledsoe's fluffer going to question a HOF LB's toughness the day after this happens

I know this will not be a popular opinion, but while I have sympathy toward whatever Junior was going thruogh that led to this, my thoughts are mostly on his children and how they will be scarred by this, and I wish he would have considered the impact on them of his suicide. Children do not understand, and often feel a sense of worthlessness that their parent didn't feel they were the reason to live.
This is all I am going to say on this matter, because it is my personal opinion that I wished to share, but I have no interest in getting into a debate over it or answering posts that mistakenly think I am disrespecting Junior.
RIP Junior.

AndyJohnson said:

I know this will not be a popular opinion, but while I have sympathy toward whatever Junior was going thruogh that led to this, my thoughts are mostly on his children and how they will be scarred by this, and I wish he would have considered the impact on them of his suicide. Children do not understand, and often feel a sense of worthlessness that their parent didn't feel they were the reason to live.
This is all I am going to say on this matter, because it is my personal opinion that I wished to share, but I have no interest in getting into a debate over it or answering posts that mistakenly think I am disrespecting Junior.
RIP Junior.

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I assure you that your opinion is shared with some, I tend to agree with this thinking. Seau will be missed for sure, probably by more people than he realized.

AndyJohnson said:

I know this will not be a popular opinion, but while I have sympathy toward whatever Junior was going thruogh that led to this, my thoughts are mostly on his children and how they will be scarred by this, and I wish he would have considered the impact on them of his suicide. Children do not understand, and often feel a sense of worthlessness that their parent didn't feel they were the reason to live.
This is all I am going to say on this matter, because it is my personal opinion that I wished to share, but I have no interest in getting into a debate over it or answering posts that mistakenly think I am disrespecting Junior.
RIP Junior.

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That's the thing about depression and suicide, folks who choose it are often in so much pain they don't see another way out and they think they are doing what is best for everyone because they lothe themselves so much they can't see their value through others eyes.

Bedard said yesterday when the story first broke that he wondered after covering Junior in Miami how he would deal with retirement because football was so obviously his life, and therefore identity, and while he had the restaurant and charity work and was dabbling in television and loved his kids and talked a good game, he didn't really seem to have a firm plan for retirement. A lot of folks who knew him have made similar comments since. When Jim Trotter from SI who was a close friend commented to him a while back that his accomplishments off the field would ultimately outweigh anything he'd done on the football field Junior's reaction seemed to be one of disbelief (and not in a positive way). Marcellus Wiley talked of how Junior prided himself in setting a tone on and off the field that wouldn't allow him to enter the trainers room, choosing instead to receive medical attention privately back in his room or at home so that others would not know how much pain he was in.

Hopefully among the positives that come out of this Junior's kids and siblings and even his parents will now get the kind of help and counseling Junior just couldn't bring himself to seek out or even accept when offered if they now need it. Wiley tried to talk to Junior several months ago about the accident and whether it was or not and if he needed to talk or needed help and Junior just waved off his concern and assured him he just fell asleep at the wheel.

As one commentor said in another poignant article, sometimes suffering people don't want help dealing with their pain, they just want respite from it.

AndyJohnson said:

I know this will not be a popular opinion, but while I have sympathy toward whatever Junior was going thruogh that led to this, my thoughts are mostly on his children and how they will be scarred by this, and I wish he would have considered the impact on them of his suicide. Children do not understand, and often feel a sense of worthlessness that their parent didn't feel they were the reason to live.
This is all I am going to say on this matter, because it is my personal opinion that I wished to share, but I have no interest in getting into a debate over it or answering posts that mistakenly think I am disrespecting Junior.
RIP Junior.

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^ this is how you can tell that someone has never dealt with the suicide of someone close to them, or witnessed the effects of debilitating depression firsthand. You're lucky, if that's the case. I used to feel the same way, until I experienced it through someone close to me.

The whole point is that you don't and can't understand what was going on in Seau's head. Depression is a real illness, not a state of mind that people can just decide to snap out of. If it was as simple as "considering his children and the impact that it will have on them", then of course he wouldn't have killed himself. What you're saying is the equivalent of telling someone with a broken leg that he should just get over it and start running.

MoLewisrocks said:

That's the thing about depression and suicide, folks who choose it are often in so much pain they don't see another way out and they think they are doing what is best for everyone because they lothe themselves so much they can't see their value through others eyes.

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Absolutely true, they are consumed and unable to think rationally. They're incapable of stepping back and considering the pain their death will cause others. There likely were opportunities weeks, months or years ago for Junior to help himself and/or for others to intervene on his behalf. Unfortunately, all were blind to (or chose to ignore) the warning signs.

Tunescribe said:

Absolutely true, they are consumed and unable to think rationally. They're incapable of stepping back and considering the pain their death will cause others. There likely were opportunities weeks, months or years ago for Junior to help himself and/or for others to intervene on his behalf. Unfortunately, all were blind to (or chose to ignore) the warning signs.

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I wouldn't necessary blame others, either, and if you weren't then I apologize in advance for misconstruing what you wrote. People who are in as deep as Seau probably was typically go pretty far out of their way to put on a "normal" pace, and reject any attempts to reach out and help them. Based on what's coming out today, it sounds like there were people who were worried about him and tried to help, but he rejected it and was able to hide how badly off he really was. At the end of the day, though, no matter how many warning signs are there--and they're usually subtle and easy to miss--you never really expect someone to go through with it.

Depression is a debilitating disease and it is progressive. There is no CURE for Depression. Medications can't cure it. They can only help to control it. As can other things like exercise and proper diet. But it's still there. Always. It's a constant battle with which you have to be continuously active in. Both with counseling and with help from your friends and family.

People who don't suffer from it can't comprehend how powerless it can make you feel. How much pain it puts you in. How it tears your emotions apart and confuses them for you. People making comments about how selfish an act like Seau's was or how he didn't think about the affect it would have on his kids are dead wrong. I can guarantee that he felt the exact opposite. He felt that, by ending his life, he'd be taking the burden of his illness off them. He would have felt that their lives would be better not having to worry about him anymore.

It's a twisted logic, but that is the sort of logic that people with depression suffer from.

Has it been determined that Seau was clinically depressed?

BradyFTW! said:

^ this is how you can tell that someone has never dealt with the suicide of someone close to them, or witnessed the effects of debilitating depression firsthand. You're lucky, if that's the case. I used to feel the same way, until I experienced it through someone close to me.

The whole point is that you don't and can't understand what was going on in Seau's head. Depression is a real illness, not a state of mind that people can just decide to snap out of. If it was as simple as "considering his children and the impact that it will have on them", then of course he wouldn't have killed himself. What you're saying is the equivalent of telling someone with a broken leg that he should just get over it and start running.

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Just to clarify I don't claim to know any of these things, but I just feel more sympathy for the children left behind and the result it will have on them. Whether considering that is something Seau was or was not capable of is not something I am or would care to comment on, or pretend to understand.
So to correct your analogy I am not telling the guy with the broken leg to get over, but wishing he hadn't broken his leg, regardless of how he did.

It's a rare time when I feel like I can commiserate with any other fan base.

I knew Junior. Talked with him on several occasions. He was a good man. He did so much for the SD community. He's got 4 beautiful children he's left behind.

I dunno what was exactly going on with Junior and I don't wanna speculate but the cliff dive was less than encouraging.

I'm heartbroken and so very sad right now. I can't even imagine where his family is at.

RIP Junior.

AndyJohnson said:

Has it been determined that Seau was clinically depressed?

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It may or may not have been diagnosed, but suicide attempts kinda speak for themselves. Healthy people who objectively have a lot to live for don't just kill themselves for no reason, and that's before you factor in the link between head trauma and depression.

Many people who commit suicide don't necessarily want to die, they just want their pain to stop. They don't know how to get rid of the pain any other way.

It's a shame when anyone takes their own life, especially when they have so much more life ahead of them. I don't know Junior. I never met him. But I know how passionate he seemed about life and about living. I was shocked to hear the news, and it's still very hard to believe.

My prayers and condolences go out to his family, friends and loved ones.