Giants ok with third round pick in exchange for Osi Umenyiora

thenepatsrule · Apr 25, 2012

Osi Umenyiora thinks it

Osi Umenyiora thinks there's a "chance" he could finally be an ex-Giant sometime in the next few days.

With absolutely no movement or significant talks on his long-desired contract extension, the oft-unhappy defensive end is bracing for at least the possibility that he'll be traded sometime in the next few days. There was even a report that the Giants, who once wanted a first-round draft pick in return for Umenyiora, now are willing to accept only a third-round pick.

Two NFL sources disputed that report, and indicated there's no reason to believe a trade is "imminent." Umenyiora seemed to agree, but in one of several radio interviews he did on Wednesday, he said "You really never know what's going to happen here in the next couple of days."

Should the Pats go after him?........... i for one think it would be a gr8 signing

Jangles · Apr 25, 2012

Meh

He'll probably want a mega deal, and who knows what his production will be like when the guys standing next to him aren't superstars.

Sciz · Apr 25, 2012

It's not the pick that's prohibitive, it's the new contract.

jmt57 · Apr 25, 2012

The simple answer is that yes, of course Umenyiora would be a very welcome addition to the Patriots, as he would obviously improve the defense's productivity.

But let's go beyond that and look at some possible consequences.

Umenyiora has been trying to get the Giants to renegotiate his contract for years. If the Giants could not agree to a suitable agreement with him over the course of the last three years, why would I be confident that the Patriots could do so over the next ten months? Are we okay with the very real possibility of trading an early draft pick for a one-year rental?

Now let's say that the Pats are able to work out an extension with Umenyiora. How does that sit with players that are already on the roster, waiting their turn for a contract extension? How does that affect the Wes Welker negotiations, and how much he is willing to compromise from the numbers that he is seeking?

Lastly, depending on what Umenyiora is demanding, does that impact the Pats ability to extend players whose contracts are expiring after the 2012 season? If Umenyiora has been unable to reach an agreement with the Giants for three years it is likely that it is going to take a huge offer to convince him to not sell his services to the highest bidder in free agency. After waiting this long to become a free agent and seeing the contracts that Mario Williams and Julius Peppers have received the last couple of years, it is going to take a whole lot for him to accept a new deal at this point.

Don't get me wrong, Umenyiora would help the Pats immensely. But when you consider the cost of adding him, the draft pick you trade away for him is not the only consideration in the value of the deal.

thenepatsrule · Apr 25, 2012

jmt57 said:
The simple answer is that yes, of course Umenyiora would be a very welcome addition to the Patriots, as he would obviously improve the defense's productivity.

But let's go beyond that and look at some possible consequences.

Umenyiora has been trying to get the Giants to renegotiate his contract for years. If the Giants could not agree to a suitable agreement with him over the course of the last three years, why would I be confident that the Patriots could do so over the next ten months? Are we okay with the very real possibility of trading an early draft pick for a one-year rental?

Now let's say that the Pats are able to work out an extension with Umenyiora. How does that sit with players that are already on the roster, waiting their turn for a contract extension? How does that affect the Wes Welker negotiations, and how much he is willing to compromise from the numbers that he is seeking?

Lastly, depending on what Umenyiora is demanding, does that impact the Pats ability to extend players whose contracts are expiring after the 2012 season? If Umenyiora has been unable to reach an agreement with the Giants for three years it is likely that it is going to take a huge offer to convince him to not sell his services to the highest bidder in free agency. After waiting this long to become a free agent and seeing the contracts that Mario Williams and Julius Peppers have received the last couple of years, it is going to take a whole lot for him to accept a new deal at this point.

Don't get me wrong, Umenyiora would help the Pats immensely. But when you consider the cost of adding him, the draft pick you trade away for him is not the only consideration in the value of the deal.

You make some very good points.......... I was thinking that any player would lower their price to come and play for the Pats so as to get a ring....But i did forget the Osi won a ring just last year with the Giants...

Sciz · Apr 25, 2012

Osi Umenyiora thinks it

The only reason a trade is even possible is that Umenyiora is entering the final year of his contract and he made it clear he's still looking for a very lucrative, long-term extension. In fact, during an interview on WFAN he seemingly set the bar at four years and $40 million or so.

Yeah, there's no chance at that money.

Jackson 2 · Apr 25, 2012

It's likely cutting off my nose to spite my face, but I don't want any part of any Giants players any more than I want any part of any Jets players. To me, there's no difference in the lack of class, mouthiness and general boorishness of the players on either team from New Jersey. No thanks.

Avenger · Apr 25, 2012

Jackson 2 said:
It's likely cutting off my nose to spite my face, but I don't want any part of any Giants players any more than I want any part of any Jets players. To me, there's no difference in the lack of class, mouthiness and general boorishness of the players on either team from New Jersey. No thanks.

Woodhead??

TheComeback · Apr 25, 2012

Sciz said:
It's not the pick that's prohibitive, it's the new contract.

Osi Umenyiora: If you trade for me, you won’t have to redo my contract | ProFootballTalk

He's may be just saying that, but at this point he's interested mostly in playing time--which will help him get a contract later. For a 3rd round pick and less than $4M, it's worth considering.

Jackson 2 · Apr 25, 2012

Avenger said:
Woodhead??

Current players.

Mystery Pats Fan · Apr 25, 2012

thenepatsrule said:
Should the Pats go after him?........... i for one think it would be a gr8 signing

Need you even ask? If this is legit, we can expect the Jets to go after him, hard.

patfanken · Apr 25, 2012

jmt57 said:
The simple answer is that yes, of course Umenyiora would be a very welcome addition to the Patriots, as he would obviously improve the defense's productivity.

But let's go beyond that and look at some possible consequences.

Umenyiora has been trying to get the Giants to renegotiate his contract for years. If the Giants could not agree to a suitable agreement with him over the course of the last three years, why would I be confident that the Patriots could do so over the next ten months? Are we okay with the very real possibility of trading an early draft pick for a one-year rental?

Now let's say that the Pats are able to work out an extension with Umenyiora. How does that sit with players that are already on the roster, waiting their turn for a contract extension? How does that affect the Wes Welker negotiations, and how much he is willing to compromise from the numbers that he is seeking?

Lastly, depending on what Umenyiora is demanding, does that impact the Pats ability to extend players whose contracts are expiring after the 2012 season? If Umenyiora has been unable to reach an agreement with the Giants for three years it is likely that it is going to take a huge offer to convince him to not sell his services to the highest bidder in free agency. After waiting this long to become a free agent and seeing the contracts that Mario Williams and Julius Peppers have received the last couple of years, it is going to take a whole lot for him to accept a new deal at this point.

Don't get me wrong, Umenyiora would help the Pats immensely. But when you consider the cost of adding him, the draft pick you trade away for him is not the only consideration in the value of the deal.

All great comments, but I would ask if a one year rental makes sense. I read where he's due about $3MM next season. That's a nice price for an impact pass rusher who also isn't bad against the run. Especially in a year where the quantity of draft picks isn't an issue. I'd do it in a heart beat for the 4th round pick, and think about it hard for the 3rd

The point is I wonder if a 3rd or 4th round pick isn't worth the price an impact pass rusher, even if its only for a single season, given our current situation. Bring him in and just not worry about 2013. Besides the 3rd round hasn't exactly been Bill's sweet spot

Sciz · Apr 25, 2012

TheComeback said:
Osi Umenyiora: If you trade for me, you won’t have to redo my contract | ProFootballTalk

He's may be just saying that, but at this point he's interested mostly in playing time--which will help him get a contract later. For a 3rd round pick and less than $4M, it's worth considering.

Then he'd be a one-year rental. Nobody is going to give up a 3rd round pick for that.

Leemo · Apr 25, 2012

The second to last pick in the third round of the draft for a proven nfl pass rusher? I'd be all over this if I was BB.... obviously only if he decided to do a cap friendly contract restructure.

jmt57 · Apr 25, 2012

patfanken said:
All great comments, but I would ask if a one year rental makes sense. I read where he's due about $3MM next season. That's a nice price for an impact pass rusher who also isn't bad against the run. Especially in a year where the quantity of draft picks isn't an issue. I'd do it in a heart beat for the 4th round pick, and think about it hard for the 3rd

The point is I wonder if a 3rd or 4th round pick isn't worth the price an impact pass rusher, even if its only for a single season, given our current situation. Bring him in and just not worry about 2013. Besides the 3rd round hasn't exactly been Bill's sweet spot

I agree, I probably should have worded the previous comment a little differently. I actually do think it is a valid question, as to whether or not giving up that pick would be worth the one-year rental.

The Pats have traded other picks in the past that yielded relatively little production (e.g., Derek Burgess) and other (albeit later) picks that resulted in zero production (e.g., Alex Smith, Greg Lewis). Aside from considering that third round draft pick is far from a sure thing, also keep in mind the Pats would likely get a 3rd or 4th round pick back a year later in the form of a compensatory pick once Umenyiora signed elsewhere as a free agent.

I don't think it is something that the Patriots would do - but I do think it is something worthy of consideration.

Shockt327 · Apr 25, 2012

Sciz said:
Then he'd be a one-year rental. Nobody is going to give up a 3rd round pick for that.

Well, we gave up a 2nd rd pick for a 30 year old Corey Dillon....in the 2nd-to-last year of his contract, too. He was already making 3 million and change, too.

We didn't extend Dillon until after that SB win either, in April 2005 (to a lucrative deal too)

So, yeah. Somewhat similar situation. A one year "prove it," scenario. Dillion for a 2nd. Osi for a 3rd. Both inherited under an old contract for 3 million plus...

Not bad, really...

Franchise12 · Apr 25, 2012

trading for Osi would be a GREAT move for the Patriots. especially if we trade one of the first round picks for a 3rd this year and a first next year. theres no DE that has a quicker first step than osi umenyuria, it almost seems like hes shoulder to shoulder with the tackle before the ball is snapped. you cant teach that. Even as a one year rental it is well worth it for a team who came within minutes of winning their 4th superbowl.

Rob0729 · Apr 25, 2012

Sciz said:
Then he'd be a one-year rental. Nobody is going to give up a 3rd round pick for that.

The Pats gave up a 3rd and a 5th for an one year rental of Derrick Burgess and a 2nd for an one year rental of Corey Dillon. It wouldn't be unprecedented for the Pats to trade a third rounder for a player with one year left on his contract.

PatsWickedPissah · Apr 25, 2012

Sciz said:
Then he'd be a one-year rental. Nobody is going to give up a 3rd round pick for that.

Didn't we rent a NT for that and win a SB in 2003?

TruthSeeker · Apr 25, 2012

Imagine we trade for Osi, and then we wind up in a rematch with the Giants in the SB. That would be awesome.

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