Is WELKER Traded before the season starts?

Ron Sellers · Apr 24, 2012

Mystery Pats Fan said:
Define "best."

You were the one that said he was not the best receiver on the team; what is your definition?

If you don't have one then how about this: 'most important to the success of the team'. Or you could use others such as 'most productive'; whatever definition you choose.

BradyFTW! · Apr 24, 2012

Mystery Pats Fan said:
He's not the "Best wide receiver" because of the position he plays he is considered more of a "slot receiver."

When one thinks of a "wide receiver" usually it is a player over 6 feet tall, more than likely black, and one who can run fast, get behind the defense and be a threat for a long gainer.

Welker is totally different than what one considers an NFL wide receiver.

And, as I said, I seriously doubt that he can be as effective as he has been because of the fact that Brady makes him what he is, and he will not find any other Bradys out there that run the same type of offensive philosophy.

Has he been a major part of the Pats offense in recent years? Sure he has. Has he made many, many clutch catches? Sure he has.

He may be, statistically, the best receiver on the team but is he the best "wide receiver?" I say certainly not.

Debate my reasoning and let's discuss it.

Are you seriously using "Tom Brady was throwing to him" as a reason why Welker wasn't the best WR on the Patriots last year? I was unaware that someone else was throwing to the other guys. I mean, come on, that's even dumber than "because he's not black", which is about the second dumbest possible reason to argue your point. Seriously, and I don't say this lightly, you are quite possibly the straight-up dumbest poster I have ever seen on this site.

BradyFTW! · Apr 24, 2012

Joker said:
when someone posts that Welker is not a wide receiver , you should immediately call your broker and buy, buy, buy shares of all pharmaceutical companies that produce anti-psychotic meds....an epidemic of delusion is imminent.

This is from the OFFICIAL NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS TEAM site...

83 Wes Welker WR
Height: 5-9 Weight: 185
Year: 7 Yrs/Pat: 4
Acquired: T(MIA)-07
School: Texas Tech
Born: May 1, 1981

Didn't you hear? Short white guys can't be wide receivers anymore. We have to call them something else.

fair catch fryar · Apr 24, 2012

Mystery Pats Fan said:
He's not the "Best wide receiver" because of the position he plays he is considered more of a "slot receiver."

When one thinks of a "wide receiver" usually it is a player over 6 feet tall, more than likely black, and one who can run fast, get behind the defense and be a threat for a long gainer.

Welker is totally different than what one considers an NFL wide receiver.

And, as I said, I seriously doubt that he can be as effective as he has been because of the fact that Brady makes him what he is, and he will not find any other Bradys out there that run the same type of offensive philosophy.

Has he been a major part of the Pats offense in recent years? Sure he has. Has he made many, many clutch catches? Sure he has.

He may be, statistically, the best receiver on the team but is he the best "wide receiver?" I say certainly not.

Debate my reasoning and let's discuss it.

This post is one of the most contradicting and dumbest posts of all time trying to pass off as smart.

Your opening description of what a "wide receiver" is considered really put this over the top for all-time stupid.

Mystery Pats Fan · Apr 24, 2012

Patjew said:
If WWW gets traded I might kill myself.

Also, if I ever see his dropped SB pass on TV (I only saw it live), I might kill myself.

Also, if that Mystery troll keeps posting I will definitely kill myself.

Don't worry, I'll continue my front-running posting from beyond the grave.

Instead of jumping on your little clique's bandwagon, debate my comments. If you disagree with any, say why and make your point. I doubt that you can because it appears as if you believe you can just be like some of the others and make it personal instead of discussing the issue at hand.

Go ahead, debate the issue. I doubt that you will.

fair catch fryar · Apr 24, 2012

Mystery Pats Fan said:
Instead of jumping on your little clique's bandwagon, debate my comments. If you disagree with any, say why and make your point. I doubt that you can because it appears as if you believe you can just be like some of the others and make it personal instead of discussing the issue at hand.

Go ahead, debate the issue. I doubt that you will.

It's apparent that reasoning with you is futile and while you're trying to debate with other posters it is amusing because you are already debating with yourself about whether a receiver is a wide receiver or a slot receiver. :bricks:

Ring 6 · Apr 24, 2012

Mystery Pats Fan said:
Instead of jumping on your little clique's bandwagon, debate my comments. If you disagree with any, say why and make your point. I doubt that you can because it appears as if you believe you can just be like some of the others and make it personal instead of discussing the issue at hand.

Go ahead, debate the issue. I doubt that you will.

Dude, there is nothing to debate. There is unanimity that your post was not only wrong but delusional, moronic, and proof that your opinion should be dismissed.
Carry on.

ausbacker · Apr 24, 2012

AndyJohnson said:
Dude, there is nothing to debate. There is unanimity that your post was not only wrong but delusional, moronic, and proof that your opinion should be dismissed.
Carry on.

Mystery Pats Fan ignores the comments of people he knows he can't debate. They are generally straightforward, factual comments not personal interpretations.

PatsWickedPissah · Apr 24, 2012

Mystery Pats Fan said:
Our best??? I think not. Dont just go by the numbers alone. Welker has done a great job as the slot receiver, but our BEST wide receiver, I think not. He is not a threat to consistently get the deep ass, or consistently score touchdowns.

He has a great working relationship with Brady and he knows how to find the open spots in the seams, but the Pats BEST wide receiver, NOT.

I would trade him if something good becomes available. I believe that the Pats have the players on the roster that can pick up the slack if Welker is gone, Edelman, Gonzalez...

The Pats need to seriously offer him a lot less money because i believe that they hold the aces in the whole, and that there will not be many teams out there wiling to pay Welker a huge amount because they realize that without Brady, and Brady's mind thought on the game, Welker would become an average receiver in any other system than the Pats. I believe Welker realizes that, too.

The fail is strong with this one

PatsWickedPissah · Apr 24, 2012

Mystery Pats Fan said:
He's not the "Best wide receiver" because of the position he plays he is considered more of a "slot receiver."

When one thinks of a "wide receiver" usually it is a player over 6 feet tall, more than likely black, and one who can run fast, get behind the defense and be a threat for a long gainer.

Welker is totally different than what one considers an NFL wide receiver.

And, as I said, I seriously doubt that he can be as effective as he has been because of the fact that Brady makes him what he is, and he will not find any other Bradys out there that run the same type of offensive philosophy.

Has he been a major part of the Pats offense in recent years? Sure he has. Has he made many, many clutch catches? Sure he has.

He may be, statistically, the best receiver on the team but is he the best "wide receiver?" I say certainly not.

Debate my reasoning and let's discuss it.

The fail is strong with this one

At least this Jets fan fails consistently

Ghost of Ben Dreith · Apr 24, 2012

You know.....Mystery Pats Fan could have made his point better.....and any comment about race is sure to ignite dumbarse comments....but....I agree with the premise that Welker is not our best WR....sorry....I said this before and took crap for it....whatever......

He is an all pro slot receiver IMHO and extremely valuable. If you want to parse WR and slot receiver....go for it.

His biggest strength is his connection with Brady.....like Branch when he had speed/quickness. If you put Welker on 28 other NFL teams, he is lost in the shuffle.

Now...don't think this means he isn't valuable to the Pats....no...he is more valuable to the Pats than he is to other NFL teams....see connection with Brady.

I hope he signs for reasonable and deserved cash......but if he is traded or holds out....is there anybody here that thinks Brady won't make some other very good receiver a superstar or a good receiver an excellent receiver?

I love Welker and hope he is back, but if not, the Pats will move on. Geez guys....this is a discussion board....quit beating up the major points made by MPF just because he was a bit off in making it. Last comment.....if Welker was the OMG got to have player to have any chance at a SB this year....don't you think the Pats would have him on board by now?

Sign Welker....but don't give away the bank....just IMHO....

Mystery Pats Fan · Apr 24, 2012

fair catch fryar said:
It's apparent that reasoning with you is futile and while you're trying to debate with other posters it is amusing because you are already debating with yourself about whether a receiver is a wide receiver or a slot receiver. :bricks:

Not accurate at all. I merely pointed out that there are TWO wide receivers legally on the field at the same time. The others are in the slot and are generally referred to as the slot receiver, and the position can be played by any player wearing a legitimate number, single digit, teens, twenties, thirties, forties and eighties.

Now, if you are not in agreement with that, it would be very simple for you to state your point and debate the issue, rather than making it personal, which seems to be the trend around here.

Not debating with myself at all, merely pointing out the facts as I believe them to be.

As I said, if you, or anyone else, disagrees, make your point as opposed to copping out with something personal that is not relevant to the thread, or the discussion.

If you can not, or will not, discuss and debate your position, then it is obvious that you can not and are admitting that I am correct.

Mystery Pats Fan · Apr 24, 2012

Ghost of Ben Dreith said:
You know.....Mystery Pats Fan could have made his point better.....and any comment about race is sure to ignite dumbarse comments....but....I agree with the premise that Welker is not our best WR....sorry....I said this before and took crap for it....whatever......

He is an all pro slot receiver IMHO and extremely valuable. If you want to parse WR and slot receiver....go for it.

His biggest strength is his connection with Brady.....like Branch when he had speed/quickness. If you put Welker on 28 other NFL teams, he is lost in the shuffle.

Now...don't think this means he isn't valuable to the Pats....no...he is more valuable to the Pats than he is to other NFL teams....see connection with Brady.

I hope he signs for reasonable and deserved cash......but if he is traded or holds out....is there anybody here that thinks Brady won't make some other very good receiver a superstar or a good receiver an excellent receiver?

I love Welker and hope he is back, but if not, the Pats will move on. Geez guys....this is a discussion board....quit beating up the major points made by MPF just because he was a bit off in making it. Last comment.....if Welker was the OMG got to have player to have any chance at a SB this year....don't you think the Pats would have him on board by now?

Sign Welker....but don't give away the bank....just IMHO....

There was no comment, pro of con, about race. I merely pointed out that the vast majority of the wide receivers in the NFL are black. That comment was not made in any derogatory manner as it is the factual truth.

Not much different than saying that the vast amount of offensive linemen are white, or that the vast majority of quarterbacks are, also, white.

It is merely stating a fact, nothing more, nothing less. If some people wanted to interject some sort of racial attack, then they are the smaller person for thinking that so.

As for the rest of your post, thank you for discussing it in the manner it should have been. And, I am not saying that because, for the most part, you agree with me, but just because you did not make it personal, as others have done.

Obviously, they dont want to post their opinions, as you did. I wonder if they will attack you too because for all intents and purposes, you agreed with what I said, but said it better.

ausbacker · Apr 24, 2012

Ghost of Ben Dreith said:
You know.....Mystery Pats Fan could have made his point better.....and any comment about race is sure to ignite dumbarse comments....but....I agree with the premise that Welker is not our best WR....sorry....I said this before and took crap for it....whatever......

He is an all pro slot receiver IMHO and extremely valuable. If you want to parse WR and slot receiver....go for it.

His biggest strength is his connection with Brady.....like Branch when he had speed/quickness. If you put Welker on 28 other NFL teams, he is lost in the shuffle.

Now...don't think this means he isn't valuable to the Pats....no...he is more valuable to the Pats than he is to other NFL teams....see connection with Brady.

I hope he signs for reasonable and deserved cash......but if he is traded or holds out....is there anybody here that thinks Brady won't make some other very good receiver a superstar or a good receiver an excellent receiver?

I love Welker and hope he is back, but if not, the Pats will move on. Geez guys....this is a discussion board....quit beating up the major points made by MPF just because he was a bit off in making it. Last comment.....if Welker was the OMG got to have player to have any chance at a SB this year....don't you think the Pats would have him on board by now?

Sign Welker....but don't give away the bank....just IMHO....

What's the difference between a Slot Receiver, a "Wide Receiver" and a Tight End catching a 15 yard completion? Here's the answer - nothing.

Welker is absolutely the Patriots best Wide Receiver. The fact that he plays in the slot plays to the Patriots' strength. Slot receiver is just as valuable as anyone playing outside the hashes. The fact is, every position that catches the ball is just as important as each other. Outside of Brady, Welker and Gronkowski are the two biggest influencers of statistics for the Patriots Offense.

The problem with people who continue to undervalue or understate Wes Welker is his role execution on the team. I don't care that he plays in the slot, he catches the ball from a "wide" position and is therefore, a wide receiver.

Joker · Apr 24, 2012

You are NOT correct. Welker is a wide receiver.He is a member of THAT set. Within that set he is a member of the subset, slot receiver. YOU blabbed up a bunch of different arguments trying to save your completely inane argument that a slot receiver is not a wide receiver. You either have ZERO understanding of simple mathematical concepts or you are another in a long line of "I am always RIGHT!!!" trolls who log on here out of the ether with the sole intention of creating as much disharmony as possible.

Mystery Pats Fan · Apr 24, 2012

AndyJohnson said:
Dude, there is nothing to debate. There is unanimity that your post was not only wrong but delusional, moronic, and proof that your opinion should be dismissed.
Carry on.

Really? making a statement like you just made, that says nothing pertaining to the context of my comments is that is really rude, and many would say that because you did not offer to produce your points, ones that may counter mine, indicates that you have no answer and merely are disguising it with making it personal.

Do you think that because you have been here for a long time makes you superior to others? Apparently you have done this high on the hog stuff to many others, from what I have read, and you think that only your opinion counts.

Well, if that is the case, then just post your points, countering mine, independently and we can have a two way debate.

If not, then you are just proving you are inadequately prepared.

You are the one making it personal, not I. Apparently you believe you have superior knowledge and that your long time membership here gives you special privileges. It does not.

I am a Patriot fan, just as you are, and just as most others here are, and I have opinions and viewpoints just like everyone else. If you dont like them, then thats too bad but worse is that you prefer not to debate them, which proves that you may not know as much as you are trying to make people believe.

Not willing to enter into debate, issue by issue, is a sign of cowardice. Is that you?

Mystery Pats Fan · Apr 24, 2012

Joker said:
You are NOT correct. Welker is a wide receiver.He is a member of THAT set. Within that set he is a member of the subset, slot receiver. YOU blabbed up a bunch of different arguments trying to save your completely inane argument that a slot receiver is not a wide receiver. You either have ZERO understanding of simple mathematical concepts or you are another in a long line of "I am always RIGHT!!!" trolls who log on here out of the ether with the sole intention of creating as much disharmony as possible.

No, it is you that can not comprehend. Already two of us have tried to get it into thick heads like yours.

Welker is listed as a wide receiver but he does not play wide..or at least hardly ever. There is no official designation as slot receiver, but if you took the time to listen to the descriptions as the game is being played, you will hear welker being referred to as the slot receiver, just as all of the other players who line up in that position during a game.

Just as wide receivers were called "ends" years ago, in time the position of "slot receiver" may come to be an official designation instead of calling them wide receivers.

So, I will ask you the same thing, debate my position, issue and item by issue... or if you prefer, continue making it personal, showing that you really do not understand the game of this era.

Deus Irae · Apr 24, 2012

Ghost of Ben Dreith said:
You know.....Mystery Pats Fan could have made his point better.....and any comment about race is sure to ignite dumbarse comments....but....I agree with the premise that Welker is not our best WR....sorry....I said this before and took crap for it....whatever......

If you said Welker was not the team's best WR this season some time previously, it was just as stupid then as it is now. That's probably why you got crap for it.

And MPF is either a mult screwing with us, a generic troll, or someone striving for the title of "least knowledgeable poster in the world". Some of his posts rival the "Trade Brady" stuff for sheer inanity. That's why I ended up putting him on ignore.

ausbacker · Apr 24, 2012

Deus Irae said:
If you said Welker was not the team's best WR this season some time previously, it was just as stupid then as it is now. That's probably why you got crap for it.

And MPF is either a mult screwing with us, a generic troll, or someone striving for the title of "least knowledgeable poster in the world".

I find it interesting that despite having his position shot down during "debate" on multiple occasions by multiple posters he still challenges one or two to disprove his position. It's madness.

rjw · Apr 24, 2012

I didn't think he would consider a hold out. Lame. Just sign the deal, show up and do your job.

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