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Marvin Jones ~ 6.2/198 ~ 5th ~ 2nd-3rd

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Starter!! Marvin Jones commands a very impressive fusion of the kind of Skill Set that should consistently produce plays and Moves The Chains at the next level: Fluidity, sharp Verticity in his Breaks, and very reliable Discipline in his Route Running.

He's not overly physical on the Line, but he's got enough Fluidity, Dexterity, and Savvy to get loose, and enough Short Burst to separate.

No Big Play Zoomer, but Marvin Jones is the kind of Prospect who should earn a starting gig at the next level, Move The Chains, and help you win. Sleeper!!

Eric Page ~ 5.10/192 ~ 5th ~ 2nd-3rd

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Starter!! A little work is needed to refine them, but Eric Page brings a bounty of athletic talents ~ Short Burst, Fluidity, and both sharp Verticity and explosive Torsion out'f'is Breaks ~ to the table.

He Accelerates up and down Gears impressively, as well, and I foresee him becoming an highly adept Chain Mover at the next level.

He's a bit light, but commands exceptional Core Strength, Fluidity, and Dexterity, and should win many Battles at the Line.

He's a little raw, but Eric Page seems to me to be a good bet to develop into a Starter at the next level, and probably a very good one. Sleeper!!

Jarius Wright ~ 5.10/176 ~ 5th-6th ~ 1st

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Super Beast!!

My GOD.

~ Outstanding Diagnostic Acuity: Reads the Field like General Patton.

~ Ridiculous fusion of Athletic attributes: explosive Short Burst, impressive Fluidity, sharp Verticity and explosive Torsion out'f'is Breaks.

~ Dangerous Short Burst combined with simply nightmarish Long Speed.

~ Absolutely fearless, breaking over the Middle.

He's not very physical.

And his Hands need work.

But Jarius Wright commands an obscene fusion of Intelligence, Ferocity, and pure Athleticism.

Super Beast.

Super Sleeper.

Name Your Price.


Marvin McNutt ~ 6.3/216 ~ 5th-6th ~ 4th-5th

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Potential Starter!! Marvin McNutt's Stock took an hit at the Senior Bowl, and it might take another at The Combine: He's not very impressive, athletically.

Indeed, even when it comes to Moving The Chains, he doesn't command especially remarkable Fluidity or either Verticity or Torsion out'f'is Breaks.

And God knows his Long Speed is unexceptional.

The reason I like this kid is his Cross Training: He's a former Quarter Back, and it shows: His Savvy in Working the Field is exceptional.

And he command enough Athleticism ~ combined with his elevated level of Savvy ~ to Work the Field, get open from time to time, and Move The Chains.

But such Capacities...don't tend to show up in Drills.

I can easily see this kid carving out a decade's work without ever starting, as a vital, Chain Moving Role Player...but he could just as easily earn a starting gig, as well, though I prefer him off the bench. Deal!!

Jeff Fuller ~ 6.4/216 ~ 5th-6th ~ 5th-7th

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Project!!

I'm not even going to pretend I have any idea of what to expect of this kid.

If you'd asked me a year ago, I'd say that Jeff Fuller was one of the most exciting Split Ends in this Class.

Based on his recent work, though, I just don't know.

As a Senior, Fuller looked awful.

He's a big kid with excellent Core Strength who has potential to become not only a good Possession Receiver, but an outstanding, Chain Moving Beast.

But what we've seen, of late, has been a sloppy slug who planted a forest of FootBalls.

There's something wrong, here.

Whether or not it ever gets right, again, I do not presume to know. I pray it does.

Meanwhile: It Is What It Is. I'm going to give young Mister Fuller a Project Grade: 5th to 7th Round, in this case, which is close enough to call Fair Value!!

Rishard Matthews ~ 6.1/216 ~ 6th ~ 6th-7th

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Reserve!! I hate to lay that grade on Rishard Matthews, as he's my kind of FootBall Player: a wily scrapper who takes his Blocking seriously and isn't afraid to go over the middle.

But he's hampered by limited Fluidity, Verticity and Torsion out'f'is Breaks, raw Route Running, and even a lack of Core Strength.

His attitude gives him a chance, though. And it's not as if he's bereft of athletic talent. Fair Value!!

Ryan Broyles ~ 5.10/189 ~ 6th ~ 4th-5th

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Hobbled Beast!! Huh!! Ryan Broyles isn't getting a lot of love, but in my eyes, he's an absolutely masterfull Slot End at the next level: a deft, agile, Athlete who has very little Long Speed, but enough Short Burst, Fluidity, Verticity, and Torsion to lend his extraordinary Diagnostic Acuity ~ his Savvy at Working The Field ~ a deadly aspect.

Recovering from an Anterior Cruciate Ligament injury, as he is, he shouldn't be expected to get all the way back up to Full Operation Speed until 2013.

History should make that crystal clear.

As such, it is fully warranted that his Market Value take an enormous hit.

Even so, I believe that, when all is said and done, Ryan Broyles will prove to be one of the very best Slot Ends of this entire Draft Class. Deal!!

Jordan White ~ 6.0/216 ~ 6th-7th ~ 7th

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Reserve!! Jordan White is much craftier than your average Bear: He Works the Field rather nicely.

But he's hindered both by athletic limitations ~ Speed, Agility, that sort of thing ~ and by dubious Discipline: His Route Running needs tightening up.

He is, indeed, a Later Rounder, as I see it. Fair Value!!
 
Gerell Robinson ~ 6.3/222 ~ 6th-7th ~ UFA

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Long Shot!! I'm afraid that Gerell Robinson offers very little in the way of Fluidity, Verticity, Torsion, Burst, or, in short, any of those attributes which allow him to gain Separation and Move The Chains.

I see him as facing very long odds of earning a spot at the next level. He's got the size and some Long Speed, but not enough, in my view. OverRated!!

AJ Jenkins ~ 6.0/192 ~ 6th-7th ~ 6th-7th

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Role Player!! Interesting Prospect, this one.

AJ Jenkins has been working in a Spread Offense, and I'm afraid it shows: Any notion of his Route Running Precision...lies entirely in his Future.

But his Savvy in Working The Field...is phenomenal.

He's not very physical at the Line, and that could be a big problem at the next level.

But he does command an impressive Short Burst.

And the Long Speed is definitely there.

Anyone making a play on this kid is accepting an high level of Risk: The questions, of course, are these:

Will he develop enough Core Strength to get out of the Blocks at the next level??

And, more importantly: Does he have the athletic capacity to develop consistent Separation Skills at the next level?? I'm not so sure he does.

Not a bad guy to roll the dice on, though, all things considered: Fair Value!!

Marquis Maze ~ 5.8/185 ~ 6th-7th ~ 6th-7th

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Role Player!! Marquis Maze will have problems getting out'f' the Blocks at the next level, of course, and that will severely limit his ability to contribute.

But he does offer extraordinary Long Speed and ~ more importantly ~ a lethal Short Burst. That combination, alone, makes him a usefull and potentially deadly weapon in Spread formations.

He's a tremendous Navigator, once he gets the ball, but not very Fluid or Explosive in Running Routes.

Marquis Maze looks like a Role Player at the next level, but a very dangerous one. Fair Value!!

TJ Graham ~ 5.11/182 ~ 7th ~ 7th

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Fringe Reserve!!

Kermit Washington may've been listed as an OutFielder on the A's' Roster during The 3rd Empire, but he was no OutFielder.

He was a Zoomer.

And TJ Graham may be listed as a Split End/ Wide Receiver/Flanker/Slot End in this year's Draft Guides...

But he is no Wide Receiver.

TJ Graham canRun Like Hell.

And you can throw'm the Ball.

And he might even catch it.

Just PLEASE ~ for the love of JESUS...

Do NOT ask him to Run a Route...

...Or to Redirect with any precision.

Or tp Get Off The Blocks.

Or...BLOCK.

Given those conditions, he could excel in a limited Role at the next level...a VERY limited Role. Fair Value!!

Devon Wylie ~ 5.9/185 ~ 7th ~ 1st!!

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Beast!! Devon Wylie commands an intoxicating fusion of Savvy, Navigational Prowess, and both Short Burst and Long Speed!!

He's not very physical at the Line of Scrimmage ~ not shocking at his size ~ and that should limit him to Slot End at the next level.

But the Potential of this kid as a Slot End at the next level is immense. Super Sleeper!!
 
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Phenomenal job brother Grid. Your work is second to none, and I agree with just about everything you posted.

Unfortunately the one mistake you made was a big one. You failed to list Greg Childs, and you failed to list him as a super beast and a super sleeper. Because of that I have to do this.

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Really?? I believe 'twas I who started this Thread.

Therefore, if anyone's going, it I, firing YOU, buddy!! :bricks:

Next time PM me, smart @$$, and I'll add it, if warranted. ;)

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I already wrote up Greg Childs, back in November, on Page 1. :eek:

One of my very first Binkies. :cool:

Just forgot to Cut + Paste him, is all, because his Market Value changed so dramatically. I QUOTE:


Greg Childs of Arkansas ~ 6.3/216 ~ 3rd-4th ~ 2nd

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Greg Childs is an intriguing Prospect, indeed.

A torn Patellar Tendon ended his outstanding 2010 season, and he's been far less than 100% this year, as a result of which his statistics and his Market Value have collapsed.

Yet here we have a big, tough Chain Mover who consistently beats the Press, who Navigates the Field with remarkable Savvy, commands more Lateral Agility than most men his size, fights for the FootBall, and is adept at hitting the Catch at full speed, allowing him to send random Defenders flying, as he breaks DownField.

And he is a reliably tenacious Blocker, with occasional feats of sweet, sweet Brutality.

Because of his dramatic statistical drop off, this year, Greg Childs has seen his Market Value plummet all the way down to the 6th or 7th Round.

I find that both astonishing and exhilarating.

This is a guy who will consistently Move The Chains for you, both as a Receiver and as a Blocker, and is precisely the kind of eternally unheralded Hero who is quietly and brutally integral to the process of forging Championships.

Stud Horse Sleeper!!
 
Really?? I believe 'twas I who started this Thread.

Therefore, if anyone's going, it I, firing YOU, buddy!! :bricks:

Next time PM me, smart @$$, and I'll add it, if warranted. ;)

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I already wrote up Greg Childs, back in November, on Page 1. :eek:

One of my very first Binkies. :cool:

Just forgot to Cut + Paste him, is all, because his Market Value changed so dramatically. I QUOTE:

I know you posted about him before, but I though he fell off the grid. :D
 
Outstanding stuff, OTG. A couple of questions:

Can either Jarius Wright or Devon Wylie become an above-average KOR for the NEP?

Did Greg Childs appear to be coming closer to his pre-Achilles' form as last season progressed?

As far as WRs are concerned, I feel that using a 1st-rounder or even an early 2nd on one of them
is premature when taking our needs on defense, and the flaws all those (exc. maybe Blackmon)
in that range possess, into consideration.
I would feel more comfortable using 27, 31 & 48 on defense, then looking for Marvin Jones at 63
or Childs at 94, unless Jeffery or Sanu is still on the board.
I would also like to acquire a 5th-rounder which I would use on the best available KOR who can
also play a little WR.
 
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Outstanding stuff, OTG. A couple of questions:

Can either Jarius Wright or Devon Wylie become an above-average KOR for the NEP?

Did Greg Childs appear to be coming closer to his pre-Achilles' form as last season progressed?

As far as WRs are concerned, I feel that using a 1st-rounder or even an early 2nd on one of them
is premature when taking our needs on defense, and the flaws all those (exc. maybe Blackmon)
in that range possess, into consideration.
I would feel more comfortable using 27, 31 & 48 on defense, then looking for Marvin Jones at 63
or Childs at 94, unless Jeffery or Sanu is still on the board.
I would also like to acquire a 5th-rounder which I would use on the best available KOR who can
also play a little WR.

Thank you for the kind words, Brother Stone!! :rocker:

1 ~ I must confess ZERO expertise on Kicking Games, especially in the wake of this year's bewildering rule changes, which have me befuddled, so I won't waste your time by faking it!! :eek:

2 ~ Childs actually looked like HELL, all year long, working his way ~ rather heroically, I thought!! ~ through the injury...It was his Pro Day, this month, that made it clear that he's finally 100% again, and which is no doubt the main reason for his Market Value skyrocketing all the way back to its previous levels...which in my mind is still a sweet bargain!! :cool:
 
Excellent job Sir Grid, agree with a lot of what you said. One thing of note, ywo of your first round graded WR's (Devon Wylie and TY Hilton) suffer from extreme cases of fumbilitis apparently so that needs to be borne in mind in relation to the Pats.

It only goes to prove what a deep class this is. I saw someone say that A.J. Jenkins is a similar type player to Reggie Wayne although obviously not as good. But at 5th to 7th value, take him and target the upside. It surprises me that BB picked up three FA WR's this spring - he really mustn't be confident in his ability to find good value in this class of WR's.
 
Excellent job Sir Grid, agree with a lot of what you said. One thing of note, ywo of your first round graded WR's (Devon Wylie and TY Hilton) suffer from extreme cases of fumbilitis apparently so that needs to be borne in mind in relation to the Pats.

It only goes to prove what a deep class this is. I saw someone say that A.J. Jenkins is a similar type player to Reggie Wayne although obviously not as good. But at 5th to 7th value, take him and target the upside. It surprises me that BB picked up three FA WR's this spring - he really mustn't be confident in his ability to find good value in this class of WR's.

Thanks for the kind words, my friend. :cool:

Yeah, Coach Bill the Mad (Genius) is clearly an awful judge of Wide Outs via the Draft. It ain't easy!!

Philosophically, I am ~ this is just me ~ running away from Slot Ends at 100 Miles an hour: I want Split Ends and Flankers to free up the middle, where I consider us already deeply stocked ~ at least with Slot Ends. And that, of course, is a shame, as most of my best perceived values ARE Slot Ends!! :bricks:
 
Im waiting for some team to draft both wright and childs...would be funny for them to be on the same high school, college, and NFL teams.

I know adams is small but if anyone questions his toughness the guy came back from a stroke his sophomore year lol
 
1 ~ Ty Hilton ~ yes, I know his name's not REALLY "Ty"!! :D ~ is the only guy I could bring myself to give the Beast label to, so far. My fellow Draft Freaks will know his name, of course, but despite a remarkable rise, this year, he still seems to be floating around in the 3rd to 5th Round range, which I find astonishing...Seems to me to be a classic case of Small School Discount. He's my favorite Slot End in the entire Draft, at this juncture.

2 ~ Justin Criner and Greg Childs are of particular interest to me. Possession Receivers aren't sexy, but they win Games and Championships. And these guys have 6th or 7th Round Market Values. If we can pick up those Picks, I'd love to snatch these guys.

3 ~ There're several other intriguing players out there, but I prefer, as always, to wait until I've heard from NFL Draft Scout AND National FootBall Post, before I compare the notes they've derived from Coach's Tape.


I agree, I LOVE Hilton. But BB hates those small school guys. Remember in 06....Chad Jax over my binky that year Greg Jennings, UF over Western Michigan, even though Jennings had more production, and was used as a deep threat throughout college, while Chad Jax was used mainly as an over the middle intermediate guy, who just so happened to run a great 40.
 
Just gotta say Grid,... Thanks again for all of the hard work, on some of the better posts on the entire board. It is a true pleasure to have this to read and pass the time.
You are a very intelligent football observer, and ( unlike some others on the board... We all know who they are) you share this knowledge with us without the negativity, or belittling and condescending attitude that we get from some of the other admittedly ( begrudgingly :rolleyes:) knowledgable posters, who all too frequently, make a living by killing happiness in some other threads. :p
This is the kind of stuff that makes it fun and worthwhile to assemble as fans on an Internet forum and have discussions.


Thank you once again :rocker:
 
OK Grid, its your thread, so you only you can provide the answers.

Here's the situation. The Pats now have 8 veteran WRs, (plus a few guys I've never heard of as well), all looking for the same 5 slots. Now that's BEFORE the draft. Hard to see a lot of room for a draft pick since we already have a number of prove NFL guys who we KNOW are going to get cut. Hard even to see how any rookies will get the number of serious snaps in camp, so that we can even judge their progress.

I have to admit that I wasn't real gung ho about picking a WR high in this draft to begin with, but before our rush to accumulate WR's in FA, I could have lived with it. In this offense its unusual for any WR to make a first year impact as it is. Branch at 400yds his rookie year was as good as we've ever had in a rookie WR in the BB era. So realistic expectations of a rookie WR having much of an impact in the BEST of circumstances was never high. (and these aren't the best of conditions for a rookie)

So here is what I need you to do. I'm looking for a tall, very fast WR. Someone who is raw, or from a small school, or who has been injured....or all three. Now this is important. Someone we can get in the 5th round or below (because we know BB will add a 3rd day pick before this is over). I need this kid to be good enough to make the squad next year, but not good enough, so he won't make to the PS this season.

Now Grid, who are the WR prospects that fit this criteria
 
Interesting thread... spent a lot of time reading it. Good job, Off The Grid.

I have a few personal faves. Broyles, Quick and Streeter if he'd drop to the 4th. Deep group in this draft.
 
OK Grid, its your thread, so you only you can provide the answers.

Here's the situation. The Pats now have 8 veteran WRs, (plus a few guys I've never heard of as well), all looking for the same 5 slots. Now that's BEFORE the draft. Hard to see a lot of room for a draft pick since we already have a number of prove NFL guys who we KNOW are going to get cut. Hard even to see how any rookies will get the number of serious snaps in camp, so that we can even judge their progress.

I have to admit that I wasn't real gung ho about picking a WR high in this draft to begin with, but before our rush to accumulate WR's in FA, I could have lived with it. In this offense its unusual for any WR to make a first year impact as it is. Branch at 400yds his rookie year was as good as we've ever had in a rookie WR in the BB era. So realistic expectations of a rookie WR having much of an impact in the BEST of circumstances was never high. (and these aren't the best of conditions for a rookie)

So here is what I need you to do. I'm looking for a tall, very fast WR. Someone who is raw, or from a small school, or who has been injured....or all three. Now this is important. Someone we can get in the 5th round or below (because we know BB will add a 3rd day pick before this is over). I need this kid to be good enough to make the squad next year, but not good enough, so he won't make to the PS this season.

Now Grid, who are the WR prospects that fit this criteria

I think the better approach might be to find a WR accomplished enough to challenge the likes of Branch, Ocho or Stallworth this coming season. Go high on a WR, not low.
 
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