NFL investigating Saints for placing bounties on players(merged X2)

Keith Bullock with a distinct lack of facts now:

So bounties taint the Saints the last 3 years?!? Is actually recording your opponent practicing before you play them worse?!

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MSU said:

Looks like the majority on football fans agree with me (PFT poll), not surprised though. Morally, this is a lot worse than spygate. But sadly enough, in terms of gaining a competitive advantage spygate blows this out of the water.

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this kind of thing is morally bankrupt, so for me, this is so much worse

Their "bounty" failed pretty hard on this guy...

i figured this kind of thing would have come from the ravens or titans

MSU said:

Looks like the majority on football fans agree with me (PFT poll), not surprised though. Morally, this is a lot worse than spygate. But sadly enough, in terms of gaining a competitive advantage spygate blows this out of the water.

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So gaining minimal competitive advantage (Spygate) is blows this out of water? So if the Saints took Favre out of the game early in the NFC Championship game and they won because Favre's back up started, that isn't a significant competitive advantage? Far more than videotaping something that everyone in the stadium could see and many teams study just without video cameras.

Paying people to take out players can be a huge competitive advantage especially if you take out the opposing team's QB.

Big-T said:

Keith Bullock with a distinct lack of facts now:

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He played for Jeff Fisher, he would never think that bounties are a problem.

MSU said:

Looks like the majority on football fans agree with me (PFT poll), not surprised though. Morally, this is a lot worse than spygate. But sadly enough, in terms of gaining a competitive advantage spygate blows this out of the water.

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You have got to be kidding, right? There is no way you can possibly equate (or make worse) taping signals, something that any one of 80,000 people in a stadium could do with a cell phone / camera to deliberately trying to take out other teams QB's.


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Rob0729 said:

So gaining minimal competitive advantage (Spygate) is blows this out of water? So if the Saints took Favre out of the game early in the NFC Championship game and they won because Favre's back up started, that isn't a significant competitive advantage? Far more than videotaping something that everyone in the stadium could see and many teams study just without video cameras.

Paying people to take out players can be a huge competitive advantage especially if you take out the opposing team's QB.

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There's a distinct lack of understanding among non Pats-fans about what actually occurred during Spygate. That's the real issue.

makoute said:

He played for Jeff Fisher, he would never think that bounties are a problem.

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He also seems to think there's been a team that has been found guilty of recording teams practice.

jcdavey said:

i figured this kind of thing would have come from the ravens or titans

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*cough* or the Jets *cough* *cough*

Slappy said:

I've known for a long time that Breer is an idiot and a douchebag. I was seriously underestimating his stupidity. That guy needs to get his head kicked in.

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Are you going to put a bounty on Albert Breer?

Joey007 said:

*cough* or the Jets *cough* *cough*

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ryan being an ex ravens dc, (and son of buddy lol) definitely

MP-Logick said:

There's a distinct lack of understanding among non Pats-fans about what actually occurred during Spygate. That's the real issue.

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couldn't agree more. I am far from home, and I hate hearing people talk about spygate, not because I am embarassed, but because 99% of people don't know the facts but act like they do.

Big-T said:

Keith Bullock with a distinct lack of facts now:

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It's brought up so often that people actually think it's true. It's unbelievable how misinformed people are about spygate. The reason some players will defend the Saints here and not the Pats with spygate is because with bounties players are involved so they KNOW it's happening. With spygate the players weren't aware, and you know the coaches of their teams were doing similar stuff that the players weren't aware of. Much like the Pats, I'm sure a lot of teams do this and the Saints just happened to get caught.

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Breer is now retweeting a bunch of people talking about how much worse what the Patriots did was, of course.

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Let me guess: it's a completely unbiased group of Steelers, Jets and Rams fans, sprinkled in with some players like Marshall Faulk, Joey Porter, and James Harrison? Who did I leave out ... Rob Parker and Gregg Easterbrook too, perhaps?

MP-Logick said:

There's a distinct lack of understanding among non Pats-fans about what actually occurred during Spygate. That's the real issue.

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I will go a step farther and say it is also a distinct lack of understanding what a bounty program can do to gain a competitive edge.

Let's use a hypothetical here:

Say the Jets have a bounty program. Say they play the Pats in week 2 and they have a $100k bounty to take Brady out for the season. If someone actually collects that bounty, the Jets gain a monumemental competitive advantage which ten thousand Spygate tapes couldn't achieve.

Not surprising

The Saints shouldn't have even been in the SB against the Colts. The refs let Favre get destroyed.

I can see it now, as punishment, NFL takes away Super Bowl title and awards victory to Colts. Colts then have big celebration and raise flag in first game next year

jmt57 said:

Let me guess: it's a completely unbiased group of Steelers, Jets and Rams fans, sprinkled in with some players like Marshall Faulk, Joey Porter, and James Harrison? Who did I leave out ... Rob Parker and Gregg Easterbrook too, perhaps?

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Actually it is mostly Saints fans trying to spin this controversy into no big deal.

MSU said:

Looks like the majority on football fans agree with me (PFT poll), not surprised though. Morally, this is a lot worse than spygate. But sadly enough, in terms of gaining a competitive advantage spygate blows this out of the water.

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Educated football fans know that the rule broken in 2007 was the location of where the camera was placed, not what was being filmed. Even the mis-informed could find out the truth with google in 5 minutes, time any real Patriots fan would have already spent. The media blew the whole thing out of proportion. It is unclear whether it was the media pressure, or an agenda against the Pats that caused Goodel to hand out such a harsh punishment for something very minor.

If you injur a teams best starting players, you gain an immediate competitive advantage. When you compare the two actual crimes, instead of misinterpetations of them, it becomes obvious to any reasonable person that the Saint's crime was worse on every level.

The hammer is coming.