Name 1 player that you would trade UP to get?

Coples or Upshaw depends on which way BB wants to go with the defense.

Thats the tough part for me. you have the nose to play 3-4, the best fit you have at DE is 34 years old. You have the MLB locked down, and with ninkovich and Anderson you have two potentially good OLB, tho im not sure about anderson's coverage skills.

But i honestly think 4-3 is the way to go with you current personell, going forward. pick up a DE early, with more pressure generated on the outside, whoever lines up inside with Wilfork, be it Deadrick, Ellis or Love will have an easier job. And if you drafted Hightower your 3 LB would be filthy.

I think your secondary really missed having Chung back there most the season. But his counterpart could be upgraded fairly easily. I mean, you held a red hot eli manning to under 300 yards and a td, but he did hit a .750 clip. I think the talent is there in at CB: Arrington shut down Cruz after the first quarter, McCourty is a stud, and Molden had a pretty good game considering. If only Dowling would pan out.

just some thoughts from a 9ers fan.

manxman2601 said:

All the scouting reports I've read on him say that he's very stiff and would be a liability if dropping back into coverage. Also, is he effective against the run and holding the edge or is he a one gap rusher only? If the latter then it's highly unlikely he'll be a Patriot.

It's not that I don't like him, there are just better fits in this draft for the Patriots in my humble opinion.

Always good to have new names put in the mix though.

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If it's simply stiffness then that's not a bid deal, "stiffness" is just residual muscle tension, which can be treated with massage and other bodywork.

Anyway, just from watching a little footage of those guys I like Cam Johnson better, he seems a lot more sudden and explosive. I can't wait till the combine, I'd love to see how their numbers stack up.

Snake Eyes said:

If it's simply stiffness then that's not a bid deal, "stiffness" is just residual muscle tension, which can be treated with massage and other bodywork.

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Its more joint stiffness, which hinders change of direction. Remember the play JPP had on woodhead when the pats were on the goaline... bequette cant do that.

Blackmon or Brockers.

Blackmon reminds me of a TO type talent. He runs inside, outside. God, I love him.

bwhit33 said:

Its more joint stiffness, which hinders change of direction. Remember the play JPP had on woodhead when the pats were on the goaline... bequette cant do that.

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No ****. Then how did bequette put up 10 sacks and 5 FF in 10 games in SEC? And 23.5 for his college career? Probably the OLs just got out of the way.

patsderoer said:

No ****. Then how did bequette put up 10 sacks and 5 FF in 10 games in SEC? And 23.5 for his college career? Probably the OLs just got out of the way.

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This.

Love the motor, but not dynamic…

At 6-5, 271-pounds Arkansas DE Jake Bequette possesses the size and motor to intrigue as a three down player. He has an idea of how to rush the passer, extends his arms well and fight vigorously to disengage. However, he’s a limited athlete with a very “blah” get off and is too stiff to drop his pad level around the edge. And the more I watch him, the only time he really has success consistently getting after the quarterback is against offensive tackles who lack base strength. Therefore, he can use his bull rush to overwhelm and relentless motor to fight off blocks and close. However, vs. tackles with solid base strength he fails to generate the same type of push limiting him as a pass rusher. Overall, he looks like your typical overachiever who will find a way onto an NFL roster because he locates the football well and plays full tilt 100% of the time. However, I don’t see him as anything more than a rotational reserve only.

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patsderoer said:

No ****. Then how did bequette put up 10 sacks and 5 FF in 10 games in SEC? And 23.5 for his college career? Probably the OLs just got out of the way.

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If you want to look at stats as your method of scouting, feel free. Its as usefull as just regurgitating what draft 'experts' and sites say about each prospect. With the interwebs now-a-days you can gain access to most games, or at least clips and portions of games; albeit they arent the quality and depth that NCAA coaching staffs and NFL scouts are privy to, but you could stand to do some research on your own.

SEC is a strong conference... but OL is probably their weakest group all around. Look at the top 5 OT this year...any SEC standouts there? 2 Pac-12, 2 Big 10, and ACC/MWC depending how you rank it. Im not saying they are bad, infact they are among the best... but you cant just blindly throw SEC into an argument and expect it to have any weight.

Bequette may end up a good player, but he isnt the sure fire lock... which is why his stock is so volatile from the 3rd to the 6th.

Defsoul said:

This.

Idiot scouter said:

However, he’s a limited athlete with a very “blah” get off and is too stiff to drop his pad level around the edge.

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This clown scouter lost ALL credibility when he claimed that the DE sack leader per game in SEC and the collegiate sack leader among all SEC participants to the draft, is a "limited athlete". If this guy is a limited athlete, what are the others? Brockers had a pitiful 2 sacks in 14games playing same opposition as Bequette, and those 2 are the only ones in 3 years. Bequette already had 13.5 after 3 years. Cox had 4 sacks in 11 games, not much better than Brockers.

"Very "blah" get off"? This idiot scouter is really idiot. Reality is that Bequette has an explosive first step, certainly more explosive than Cox or Brockers. Bequette's highlights Jake Bequette top 10 pass rusher 2012 NFL draft - YouTube
"Blah" first step? In reality he has a very quick first step, which accounts for all his sacks and forced fumbles.

As for the base strength BS, well for one you could say the same about every pass rusher, and two, why didnt Brockers and Cox have the same level of success playing the same strengthless OL.

The "too stiff" BS I already adressed before. If Bequette was stiff he would have been easily manhandled by those strengthless OLs, kinda like Cox and Brockers were. In reality, Bequette is very quick off his feet, very explosive, and this is why those strengthless OLs couldnt contain him.

Overall, this idiot scouter looks like a complete idiot, and everything he wrote to diss Bequette is absolute BS.

A more closer to reality scouting report on Bequette is found here 2012 NFL Draft Profile: Jake Bequette – DE – Arkansas | PackerChatters

You don’t find very many players who can play against the run and rush the passer as well as Jake does. He has Shawn Merriman explosion off the line when rushing the passer — except that it’s from a three point stance. His ability to stop the run is excellent and these two things combined make Jake one of the better defensive players coming out in this draft. He has as much talent as Ryan Kerrigan (DL Purdue), who the Redskins drafted at the #16 in the 1st round last year. The truth is Jake is quicker and more explosive off the line than Ryan and just as good against the run. When Jake lines up wide in pass rushing situations, his explosion and quickness into the backfield is unique and something a team using a 4-3 defense had better not be foolish enough to pass up at any point in the draft. He is a maniac on the field when rushing the passer and that’s why I call him Jake (The Maniac) Bequette. His explosion, strength and quickness off the line of scrimmage is remarkable to watch.

This scouting report looks much more closer to what we see in Bequette's highlights.

LloydBraun said:

Sorry I meant Perry. I have spring training on my brain. Damn Truck Day.

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George Costanza never would've made that error.

Snake Eyes said:

If it's simply stiffness then that's not a bid deal, "stiffness" is just residual muscle tension, which can be treated with massage and other bodywork.

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It's just TENSION, A Hole!! Doesn't mean a THING!!

patsderoer said:

This clown scouter lost ALL credibility when he claimed that the DE sack leader per game in SEC and the collegiate sack leader among all SEC participants to the draft, is a "limited athlete". If this guy is a limited athlete, what are the others? Brockers had a pitiful 2 sacks in 14games playing same opposition as Bequette, and those 2 are the only ones in 3 years. Bequette already had 13.5 after 3 years. Cox had 4 sacks in 11 games, not much better than Brockers.

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You are clowning on this guy's credibility and then go on to compare 3-4 DE's to a 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB in terms of sack production?!? Find me any 3-4 team where the DE are out-sacking the OLB or a 4-3 team where the DT are outsacking the DE and i'll show you a team that needs better pass rushers at OLB and DE respectively.

This scouting report looks much more closer to what I see in Bequette's highlights.

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I fixed the bold for you.

I don't know about you guys...

But if Jake Bequette falls out of the Top 5, I think we have to make that move.

Both 1st Rounders and OakLand's 2nd Rounder?

A small price to pay for getting a pass rushing Force of Bequette's caliber.

bwhit33 said:

You are clowning on this guy's credibility and then go on to compare 3-4 DE's to a 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB in terms of sack production?!? Find me any 3-4 team where the DE are out-sacking the OLB or a 4-3 team where the DT are outsacking the DE and i'll show you a team that needs better pass rushers at OLB and DE respectively.

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He clowned himself on his own credibility when he wrote that BS idiotic scouting report, when he claimed that Bequette has a "very "blah" first step", when he claimed that Bequette is "too stiff", when he claimed that the sack leader among SEC draftees this year should be nothing more than a "rotational reserve only".

I pointed out Brockers sack states because Pats need pass rushers who can collapse the pocket and get to the QB, and this guy should have had a lot more sacks in 3 years than a pitiful 2, considering that he was playing for a good defense with a lot of other good players. 2 sacks in 3 years do not look like good stats for a great pass rusher like the Pats need. If he couldnt even overpower those strengthless college OLs, I would imagine that he will have even more difficulty overpowering the NFL OLs. Cox was not much better.

In fact, those very words used by the idiot scouter to diss Bequette could be used more more appropriately on Brockers. Michael Brockers vs Georgia 2011 - YouTube
Brockers looks like he has a very "blah" first step, and too stiff, and a player who fails to generate much push even against strengthless OLs, thus limiting him as a pass rusher. As the comments there noted, he got outmuscled and pushed around quite a bit. Sorry I"ll pass on this one.

patsderoer said:

He clowned himself on his own credibility when he wrote that BS idiotic scouting report, when he claimed that Bequette has a "very "blah" first step", when he claimed that Bequette is "too stiff", when he claimed that the sack leader among SEC draftees this year should be nothing more than a "rotational reserve only".

I pointed out Brockers sack states because Pats need pass rushers who can collapse the pocket and get to the QB, and this guy should have had a lot more sacks in 3 years than a pitiful 2, considering that he was playing for a good defense with a lot of other good players. 2 sacks in 3 years do not look like good stats for a great pass rusher like the Pats need. If he couldnt even overpower those strengthless college OLs, I would imagine that he will have even more difficulty overpowering the NFL OLs. Cox was not much better.

In fact, those very words used by the idiot scouter to diss Bequette could be used more more appropriately on Brockers. Michael Brockers vs Georgia 2011 - YouTube
Brockers looks like he has a very "blah" first step, and too stiff, and a player who fails to generate much push even against strengthless OLs, thus limiting him as a pass rusher. As the comments there noted, he got outmuscled and pushed around quite a bit. Sorry I"ll pass on this one.

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You do understand that Brockers and Cox played DT in college, not DE? You do understand that Cox and Brockers face double or triple teams on almost every play and how that affects other aspects of the defense.

I saw Bequette play a lot this past year and to me,he looked like he was playing hurt and didn't have great games, just an occasional great play or two. Now, if at the combine he is completely healthy and participates,then the numbers will tell us his how stiff or not stiff he is.

Right now Bequette has a fairly low draft grade from polling a few sites. To the degree that he is healthy, his combine and pro day could make him a bunch of money or cause him to lose what little he was going to make. Either way I think because his tape is not stellar, we should wait to see what his numbers are in order to get a better feel for how he projects in our defense.

Ochmed Jones said:

You do understand that Brockers and Cox played DT in college, not DE? You do understand that Cox and Brockers face double or triple teams on almost every play and how that affects other aspects of the defense.

I saw Bequette play a lot this past year and to me,he looked like he was playing hurt and didn't have great games, just an occasional great play or two. Now, if at the combine he is completely healthy and participates,then the numbers will tell us his how stiff or not stiff he is.

Right now Bequette has a fairly low draft grade from polling a few sites. To the degree that he is healthy, his combine and pro day could make him a bunch of money or cause him to lose what little he was going to make. Either way I think because his tape is not stellar, we should wait to see what his numbers are in order to get a better feel for how he projects in our defense.

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Fyi, Bequette was injured 3-4 games into the season. Missed 2 games. Wasn't the same player he was.

NinjaZX6R said:

Fyi, Bequette was injured 3-4 games into the season. Missed 2 games. Wasn't the same player he was.

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It's a shame to, because he could have had a monster year in the SEC. Now without the stellar game tape,he becomes a huge projection and we all know BB does as little projecting as possible in the first round and I think he could have been a first rounder.

Ochmed Jones said:

You do understand that Brockers and Cox played DT in college, not DE? You do understand that Cox and Brockers face double or triple teams on almost every play and how that affects other aspects of the defense.

I saw Bequette play a lot this past year and to me,he looked like he was playing hurt and didn't have great games, just an occasional great play or two. Now, if at the combine he is completely healthy and participates,then the numbers will tell us his how stiff or not stiff he is.

Right now Bequette has a fairly low draft grade from polling a few sites. To the degree that he is healthy, his combine and pro day could make him a bunch of money or cause him to lose what little he was going to make. Either way I think because his tape is not stellar, we should wait to see what his numbers are in order to get a better feel for how he projects in our defense.

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Of course I understand their position. The problem is Brockers' lack of production sack-wise. So he is still a project, which may or may not pan out, so I certainly wont give up two high round picks for a project. And I wasnt the only one who noticed how he was manhandled and pushed around in that game. Brockers relied on his pushing alone, he couldnt get past OLs with quick moves. In the NFL, OLs will only come bigger and stronger than those faced in college.
Instead of throwing two high picks for this project, I would use them on two different DE/DT players, like Jared Crick and Derek Wolfe, who put up a decent numbers of sacks, and showed that they can pass rush effectively.
Wolfe Derek Wolfe Highlight: 2011 Big East Defensive POY - YouTube
Crick Jared Crick NFL Draft Analysis - 2010 Season - YouTube

I go with Floyd.

I would say Justin Blackmon, but I must be realistic, Bellichick doesn't trade up!!

In all seriousness though, I would say Brockers or Melvin Ingram.