* Ye Official 2012 Mock Draft Thread!! *

manxman2601 said:

Best mock ever!!!!!


from Matt Miller for Bleacher Report


#27 Jamell Fleming!!!!!!!


:rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker:


Oh yeah, there was another pick

#32 some guy called Coples

Don't care. First time Fleming mocked to the Pats


And yes I know #27 is probably too high.

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Wes Bunting has a new mock out today. Has washington trading up for RG3. That's whom I think targets him too. He has us picking Mark Barron and Whitney Mercilus. Can't argue with those two. Seems that there are some pretty good wr's in Round 2. Maybe we could double dip there and get an outside the numbers wr like Criner. And, a faster return guy like Joe Adams.




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1a - janoris jenkins - CB
1b - fletcher cox - DE
2a - vinny curry - OLB
2b - stephen hill - WR
3 - mike brewster - OC
4 - george iloka - S

patsfaninpa said:

Wes Bunting has a new mock out today. Has washington trading up for RG3. That's whom I think targets him too. He has us picking Mark Barron and Whitney Mercilus. Can't argue with those two. Seems that there are some pretty good wr's in Round 2. Maybe we could double dip there and get an outside the numbers wr like Criner. And, a faster return guy like Joe Adams.




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I don't understand this obsession with Whitney Mercilus. By all accounts is a 4-3 DE only and is supposedly weak against the run. It looks like our experiment with a 4-3 has been brief with defensive success in the playoffs coming through a 3-4 largely. just don't see Mercilus as a fit. Am I wrong?

manxman2601 said:

I don't understand this obsession with Whitney Mercilus. By all accounts is a 4-3 DE only and is supposedly weak against the run. It looks like our experiment with a 4-3 has been brief with defensive success in the playoffs coming through a 3-4 largely. just don't see Mercilus as a fit. Am I wrong?

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If the mock fell out that way I think Sanu or Fletcher Cox should be the pick at #32 - if BB wants another rusher Curry, Bruce Irvin (who I really like) Cam Johnson, Shea McLellin will all be available in the 2nd.

I personally would take Sanu there - the way his mock seems to be falling out it looks like he expects a run on wideouts late in the 1st (Michael Floyd and Kendall Wright both taken within 5 picks of each other).

manxman2601 said:

I don't understand this obsession with Whitney Mercilus. By all accounts is a 4-3 DE only and is supposedly weak against the run. It looks like our experiment with a 4-3 has been brief with defensive success in the playoffs coming through a 3-4 largely. just don't see Mercilus as a fit. Am I wrong?

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I only watched one Illinois game last season and I could have sworn they had Mercilus standing up several times that game. Yet, all across the interwebs, I keep hearing how he's 4-3 DE only.

I have no idea where this myth came from. The guy I watched was strong, quick and positionally sound. The only real weakness I saw with him was his hand technique. Other than that, he looked to be a stud prospect for an OLB conversion.

BlackFrancis said:

I only watched one Illinois game last season and I could have sworn they had Mercilus standing up several times that game. Yet, all across the interwebs, I keep hearing how he's 4-3 DE only.

I have no idea where this myth came from. The guy I watched was strong, quick and positionally sound. The only real weakness I saw with him was his hand technique. Other than that, he looked to be a stud prospect for an OLB conversion.

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Nope. The 2 videos I did on him, he was in a 3 pt stance. It was the other DE who would be in a 2 pt stance sometimes.

BlackFrancis said:

I only watched one Illinois game last season and I could have sworn they had Mercilus standing up several times that game. Yet, all across the interwebs, I keep hearing how he's 4-3 DE only.

I have no idea where this myth came from. The guy I watched was strong, quick and positionally sound. The only real weakness I saw with him was his hand technique. Other than that, he looked to be a stud prospect for an OLB conversion.

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I haven't seen him play so I can only go on what I read from sources in which I have some faith. When standing up, did he drop into coverage, hold the edge or did he still just rush the passer? If the latter then I don't see how that makes him an OLB conversion, if the former, then yes you could be right.

Not taking issue with what you say, just seeking clarity.

NinjaZX6R said:

Nope. The 2 videos I did on him, he was in a 3 pt stance. It was the other DE who would be in a 2 pt stance sometimes.

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They had Buchanan standing up quite a bit, yeah. Still, I'm not sure which games you saw but I'm nearly positive Mercilus was standing up multiple times during the one I watched. Might have been the UCLA game but I can't be sure.

And to answer one of Manxman's questions, he can definitely set an edge. I just skimmed a couple youtube vids after seeing Ninja's comment to see if I was crazy or something and he had a few tackles for loss setting the edge as a DE, so I can't see it being a problem as an OLB. The coverage thing is the real question, I guess - though, is Mark Anderson any good in coverage?

BlackFrancis said:

They had Buchanan standing up quite a bit, yeah. Still, I'm not sure which games you saw but I'm nearly positive Mercilus was standing up multiple times during the one I watched. Might have been the UCLA game but I can't be sure.

And to answer one of Manxman's questions, he can definitely set an edge. I just skimmed a couple youtube vids after seeing Ninja's comment to see if I was crazy or something and he had a few tackles for loss setting the edge as a DE, so I can't see it being a problem as an OLB. The coverage thing is the real question, I guess - though, is Mark Anderson any good in coverage?

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Mark Anderson is in his 1st year covering. He did look lost on some plays but it's mostly on the strong side. I think if he is the ROLB, he will be fine.

As for Whitney, his hips are too stiff. I think he is a Justin Tuck type player. He rushed a lot vs Guards in the 2011 season.

Slightly OT, but what happened to the 2012 7th the Pats got in the Tracy White trade?

Don Kipines said:

Slightly OT, but what happened to the 2012 7th the Pats got in the Tracy White trade?

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We lost a seventh to Minnesota in the Randy Moss trade and a seventh to Kansas City for Jarrad Page so it's one of those.

I notice we don't have 5th or a 6th next year. Probably more likely that BB trades picks into next year to compensate.

Don Kipines said:

Slightly OT, but what happened to the 2012 7th the Pats got in the Tracy White trade?

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I think we gave up a 7th for White.

Don Kipines said:

Slightly OT, but what happened to the 2012 7th the Pats got in the Tracy White trade?

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GBN says that Philly has our 6th and we have their 7th from that trade. Our 5th went to Cincy for Ochocinco.

Here is my off the wall 1st attempt:

27. Jared Crick DE Nebraska 6'4" 285 4.82 - will drop to us because of his torn pectoral muscle injury - not able to work out.

32. Alshon Jeffrey WR South Carolina 6'4" 229 4.56 - big receiver that will be able to stretch the field

49. Chandler Jones DE/LB Syracuse 6'5" 265 4.78 - sleeper prospect for 3-4 LB conversion. Has requisite size BB likes to set the edge.

64. Brandon Boykin CB Georgia 5'9" 183 4.44 - despite his size he is a fearless hitter and one of the best cover corners in the draft. I's rather have him at slot corner than Edelman

95. Kendall Reyes DT UConn 6'4" 300 4.99 - underrated prospect that played very well this past week in the Senior Bowl workouts.

My Mock Offseason​

RB: BGJE is a FA, Woody isn't a feature back, Ridley has shown flashes and Vereen is a ?

WR: Dump Ocho. Branch and Welker are FA's. Edelman is a good 4th / 5th wr b/c of his ST contributions and ability to play D in a pinch. Clearly need some bodies here.

OG: I have no idea how Cannon looks at OG when he is asked to pull. If BB has seen enough to determine he won't be a successful at OG we could surprise people and pick an OL high. Waters has played great but is 34 and will retire soon. For now I'll be optimistic and assume that Waters comes back next season and Cannon is given another year for BB to fully evaluate him.

OC: I like Connoly and Wendell as our starter / back-up combo here. Why bring in a rookie when you have proven players.

S: I like McCourty as a full time FS. Chung is the other starter. Ihedigbo can be brought back as a 3rd / 4th safety. Wouldn't hurt to bring in another S.

CB: If McCourty is at FS we need a starter opposite Arrington. Dowling / Moore are 3 / 4 on depth chart. Need a 5th CB.

LB: Starters (Mayo, Spikes, Ninko) will remain the same. However Ninko and Spikes aren't great in coverage. Could really use a better coverage LB to pair with Mayo in the nickle. Guyton should be gone.

Swing OLB / DE: Carter and Anderson are both FA and who knows how Carter will be coming back from injury.

DL: Vince is out of his 20's. Would like to start drafting his replacement b/c there is no guarantee the first one we draft will be successful. Love and Deaderick are the other 2 starters who have played great in the playoffs.


RB: While I would love for our top RB to be a better pass catcher you can't have all stars at every position. BJGE shouldn't break the bank and plays his role to perfection.

WR: I have soured on the idea of bringing Lloyd here. While we do need a 2nd wr the offense is clearly successful without a top talent here. I'd rather spend the money on a defensive FA and use draft picks at WR. The offense will be fine through the rookie wr's learning curve. The defense doesn't need more players learning on the job. It goes w/o saying we should bring Welker back.

S: Draft a mid-late round prospect and sign a JAG (Barrett?)

CB: Sign a starting quality CB in FA. Relying on a rookie means more growing pains. FA is a more sure fire route and should improve our weakest link the most. The market is great for CB's this year. Draft late round CB and sign a JAG (Molden, Adams and Bodden are all candidates) for the 5th cb.

LB: Look to draft a coverage LB early.

DL: Look to draft a DL early.

OLB / DE: Anderson is adequate but nothing special as starting swing OLB / DE. However this at least means the position won't be a hole and the D can build some continuity w/ the starting front 7 returning. Andre Carter should come cheap. He can start the season as a sub rusher and if he returns to form will reclaim his starting spot.


*** Welker - :rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker:

*** BGJE - see above

*** Branch - I want him back in a reduced role. He shouldn't cost much and is really the only guy who already knows our offense and has a connection with Brady. This is undervalued by many people.

*** Brandon Carr - CB from KC. He looked like a great player but regressed this year. Since Brandon Flowers also looked worse this year I believe Berry missing the whole season had a lot to do with it. Buy when Carr's value is low.

*** Anderson

*** Carter

The Draft . . . . . finally​

1a. Zack Brown - Team MVP, 1st team all ACC, 2011 Elite Lineback Trophy Winner and phenomenal athlete. Instantly improves our coverage and is a tackling machine. Don't think a coverage LB is worth a 1st round pick, think again.

Jets - Keller
Bills - Spiller / Jackson
Phins - Bush
Texans - Foster
Ravens - Rice
SD - Gates
Bengals - Gresham

Out of the top AFC competition only the Steelers (could argue Miller) and Broncos are teams where Brown wouldn't help us much.

1b. Traded for a 2, 4 and 5 (14th pick of each round). The value matches up.

2a. Mohammed Sanu - Had a highly productive career at Rutgers. His YAC ability fits in nicely with our offense. Can play slot or outside and run all the routes. No Red Flags.

2b. Alameda Ta'amu - NT - Can be used to keep Vince fresh in regular season so he can beast in playoffs. If he turns into a starter quality player Vince can slide to 3-tech DT or 5-tech DE. Improves our short yardage D as current DL starters Love and Deaderick are a measly 310 and 305 lbs respectively [/sarcasm]. May be a run stuffer only but this is a major insurance against an injury to Vince.

2c. Joe Adams - WR - Elite speed, quickness and great YAC ability. Improves our KR and deep threat upon arrival. A bit of a project but has great upside with correctable flaws. Has time to develop behind Welker, Sanu and Branch.

3 + 5 - Traded for future 2 unless Brewster is still available
4a - Trade for future 3
4b / 7 - BPA out of TE, DL, DB

Concluding Thoughts​

Last year we couldn't rush the passer. Now we can't cover. The additions of Brown and Carr, as well as moving McCourty to FS, should greatly improve our coverage. Ninko will mainly rush in the nickle but can be used in coverage adding more versatility to the unit.

Offensively the gang is back, which is a very good thing. Sanu and Adams will be integrated throughout the season and should pass Branch on the depth chart by the time playoffs roll around.

4 top 64 draft picks and a young quality CB were added. In addition we grab a 2 and a 3 for next years draft.

@ Ay-yo

Great presentation and excellently argued.

1. I don't really like Zach Brown, but I'm down on all UNC players - they seem to underwhelm or have issues of one kind or another. Dwight Jones, Paige-Moss, even Coples are all far from perfect guys despite having bundles of talent. The coaching at that school must be terrible. Did you see the number of missed tackles Brown made in the bowl game against Mizzou? Terrible effort.

having said that, you're right on his coverage abilities and his athleticism is exceptional. I just think he'd have more value in trading out of that slot with someone who really likes him. I suggest you take a look at Terrell Manning. Almost a replica of Zach Brown, without the Olympian athleticism, but with far superior instincts and can be had in the third or fourth.

2. Love your Sanu and Adams picks. I'm big on Sanu because I think he's so Patriot like in his effort and professionalism. And he's going to be a beast as a WR in the long term.

3. Like the trades. We're missing two picks next year so BB will want to add picks.

4. Ta'amu. I'm not sold on him (too inconsistent) but I understand your reasoning and would be excited by his potential should we draft him.

5. Would like to see another corner come in, even with Brandon Carr already on board.

Nice effort.

The CBS guys have a new mock out. Rang has us taking Fletcher Cox and Reuben Randle. Cox makes sense. Randle. I'm not so sure if he can get off of the LOS. He doesn't have these guys in his mock; Hightower, Tanneyhill, Zach Brown and Alshon Jeffrey. I think all 4 will be first rounders. I'd probably take Hightower given his board at 32 if he can play OLB in a 3-4. Brugler has us taking Mercilus one spot before Fletcher Cox. Then, his weekly crazy pick. Brandon Boykin at 32. Guess he doesn't know Boykin broke his leg. He has Tanneyhill going 6th! No Zach Brown, Hightower or Jeffrey either. I'd take Cox and Hightower.

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Mark Morse said:

Here is my off the wall 1st attempt:

27. Jared Crick DE Nebraska 6'4" 285 4.82 - will drop to us because of his torn pectoral muscle injury - not able to work out.

32. Alshon Jeffrey WR South Carolina 6'4" 229 4.56 - big receiver that will be able to stretch the field.

49. Chandler Jones DE/LB Syracuse 6'5" 265 4.78 - sleeper prospect for 3-4 LB conversion. Has requisite size BB likes to set the edge.

64. Brandon Boykin CB Georgia 5'9" 183 4.44 - despite his size he is a fearless hitter and one of the best cover corners in the draft. I's rather have him at slot corner than Edelman.

95. Kendall Reyes DT UConn 6'4" 300 4.99 - underrated prospect that played very well this past week in the Senior Bowl workouts.

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Very nicely crafted, sir. I particularly like the Reyes Pick.

ay-yo said:

My Mock Offseason​

Teams Needs​

RB: BGJE is a FA, Woody isn't a feature back, Ridley has shown flashes and Vereen is a ?

WR: Dump Ocho. Branch and Welker are FA's. Edelman is a good 4th / 5th wr b/c of his ST contributions and ability to play D in a pinch. Clearly need some bodies here.

OG: I have no idea how Cannon looks at OG when he is asked to pull. If BB has seen enough to determine he won't be a successful at OG we could surprise people and pick an OL high. Waters has played great but is 34 and will retire soon. For now I'll be optimistic and assume that Waters comes back next season and Cannon is given another year for BB to fully evaluate him.

OC: I like Connoly and Wendell as our starter / back-up combo here. Why bring in a rookie when you have proven players.

S: I like McCourty as a full time FS. Chung is the other starter. Ihedigbo can be brought back as a 3rd / 4th safety. Wouldn't hurt to bring in another S.

CB: If McCourty is at FS we need a starter opposite Arrington. Dowling / Moore are 3 / 4 on depth chart. Need a 5th CB.

LB: Starters (Mayo, Spikes, Ninko) will remain the same. However Ninko and Spikes aren't great in coverage. Could really use a better coverage LB to pair with Mayo in the nickle. Guyton should be gone.

Swing OLB / DE: Carter and Anderson are both FA and who knows how Carter will be coming back from injury.

DL: Vince is out of his 20's. Would like to start drafting his replacement b/c there is no guarantee the first one we draft will be successful. Love and Deaderick are the other 2 starters who have played great in the playoffs.

Strategy​

RB: While I would love for our top RB to be a better pass catcher you can't have all stars at every position. BJGE shouldn't break the bank and plays his role to perfection.

WR: I have soured on the idea of bringing Lloyd here. While we do need a 2nd wr the offense is clearly successful without a top talent here. I'd rather spend the money on a defensive FA and use draft picks at WR. The offense will be fine through the rookie wr's learning curve. The defense doesn't need more players learning on the job. It goes w/o saying we should bring Welker back.

S: Draft a mid-late round prospect and sign a JAG (Barrett?)

CB: Sign a starting quality CB in FA. Relying on a rookie means more growing pains. FA is a more sure fire route and should improve our weakest link the most. The market is great for CB's this year. Draft late round CB and sign a JAG (Molden, Adams and Bodden are all candidates) for the 5th cb.

LB: Look to draft a coverage LB early.

DL: Look to draft a DL early.

OLB / DE: Anderson is adequate but nothing special as starting swing OLB / DE. However this at least means the position won't be a hole and the D can build some continuity w/ the starting front 7 returning. Andre Carter should come cheap. He can start the season as a sub rusher and if he returns to form will reclaim his starting spot.

Important Free Agency Signings​

*** Welker - :rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker:

*** BGJE - see above

*** Branch - I want him back in a reduced role. He shouldn't cost much and is really the only guy who already knows our offense and has a connection with Brady. This is undervalued by many people.

*** Brandon Carr - CB from KC. He looked like a great player but regressed this year. Since Brandon Flowers also looked worse this year I believe Berry missing the whole season had a lot to do with it. Buy when Carr's value is low.

*** Anderson

*** Carter

The Draft . . . . . finally​

1a. Zach Brown - Team MVP, 1st team all ACC, 2011 Elite Lineback Trophy Winner and phenomenal athlete. Instantly improves our coverage and is a tackling machine. Don't think a coverage LB is worth a 1st round pick, think again.

Jets - Keller
Bills - Spiller / Jackson
Phins - Bush
Texans - Foster
Ravens - Rice
SD - Gates
Bengals - Gresham

Out of the top AFC competition only the Steelers (could argue Miller) and Broncos are teams where Brown wouldn't help us much.

1b. Traded for a 2, 4 and 5 (14th pick of each round). The value matches up.

2a. Mohammed Sanu - Had a highly productive career at Rutgers. His YAC ability fits in nicely with our offense. Can play slot or outside and run all the routes. No Red Flags.

2b. Alameda Ta'amu - NT - Can be used to keep Vince fresh in regular season so he can beast in playoffs. If he turns into a starter quality player Vince can slide to 3-tech DT or 5-tech DE. Improves our short yardage D as current DL starters Love and Deaderick are a measly 310 and 305 lbs respectively [/sarcasm]. May be a run stuffer only but this is a major insurance against an injury to Vince.

2c. Joe Adams - WR - Elite speed, quickness and great YAC ability. Improves our KR and deep threat upon arrival. A bit of a project but has great upside with correctable flaws. Has time to develop behind Welker, Sanu and Branch.

3 + 5 - Traded for future 2 unless Brewster is still available
4a - Trade for future 3
4b / 7 - BPA out of TE, DL, DB

Concluding Thoughts​

Last year we couldn't rush the passer. Now we can't cover. The additions of Brown and Carr, as well as moving McCourty to FS, should greatly improve our coverage. Ninko will mainly rush in the nickle but can be used in coverage adding more versatility to the unit.

Offensively the gang is back, which is a very good thing. Sanu and Adams will be integrated throughout the season and should pass Branch on the depth chart by the time playoffs roll around.

4 top 64 draft picks and a young quality CB were added. In addition we grab a 2 and a 3 for next years draft.

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Exquisitely crafted, Sir!! :rocker:

I love the Argument for a Pass Defending Flanker!! I was an ENORMOUS LaVonte David fan, before his Market Value ramped up...and still AM!!