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While this would help eliminate the 'one bad game' syndrome and still take the same three weeks to complete, the potential downsides (and still unfair issues) are that teams like the Saints and Steelers would not even make the playoffs, since they were not division winners.

Again from a business perspective more teams would be eliminated from playoff contention earlier in the season, creating a lower overall level of interest, which means less money for the league and for their business partners, the networks.

You can still have a wild card week though if you so choose to replace a divisional champion and then move on with the rest of it from there. Like I said all I'm asking is 3 weeks of divisional rounds. If you wanna allow a wild card team to make it through that's fine.

It would also truly test that those wild card teams belong. Basically it would guarantee that any team that makes the Super Bowl has to go through all 3 champions not around them.

No teams would be eliminated if you still keep the 4 divisional champions and you still have a wild card week. Cut 2 pre-season games. Issue solved.

So NFL players will play an additional 6 quarters, if that, where they would otherwise ride the bench in the preseason. Big deal.
 
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The regular season is only a doorway to the playoffs, not a guarantee you're the best.
 
You can still have a wild card week though if you so choose to replace a divisional champion and then move on with the rest of it from there. Like I said all I'm asking is 3 weeks of divisional rounds. If you wanna allow a wild card team to make it through that's fine.

It would also truly test that those wild card teams belong. Basically it would guarantee that any team that makes the Super Bowl has to go through all 3 champions not around them.

No teams would be eliminated if you still keep the 4 divisional champions and you still have a wild card week. Cut 2 pre-season games. Issue solved.

So NFL players will play an additional 6 quarters. Big deal.

Sorry, but I think the Giants having to face GB at home and then the Niners at home was enough of a test to see if they belonged.
 
Sorry, but I think the Giants having to face GB at home and then the Niners at home was enough of a test to see if they belonged.

I understand that. But we don't know if GB and the 49ers would have still ended up the better team if they also got to face each other.

If the Giants had to play all 3, Saints, GB, and 49ers, and so did the other teams, who is to say it would be the Giants and the 49ers in the NFC Championship game?

The Saints got to play the 49ers in the playoffs. That's it. I mean if you are happy with this, then keep in mind the Patriots true Super Bowl already happened. They have already faced the best team they will face this entire year last week.

We won! The Ravens were a much tougher opponent than the Giants will be. From every stand point. Offense and defense.
 
I understand that. But we don't know if GB and the 49ers would have still ended up the better team if they also got to face each other.

If the Giants had to play all 3, Saints, GB, and 49ers, and so did the other teams, who is to say it would be the Giants and the 49ers in the NFC Championship game?

The Saints got to play the 49ers in the playoffs. That's it. I mean if you are happy with this, then keep in mind the Patriots true Super Bowl already happened. They have already faced the best team they will face this entire year last week.

We won! The Ravens were a much tougher opponent than the Giants will be. From every stand point. Offense and defense.
That's a ridiculous remark. The toughest opponent you face all year is the one you're playing that week. The Giants will be the toughest opponent the Patriots face all year because a Superbowl is on the line.
 
You can still have a wild card week though if you so choose to replace a divisional champion and then move on with the rest of it from there. Like I said all I'm asking is 3 weeks of divisional rounds. If you wanna allow a wild card team to make it through that's fine.

It would also truly test that those wild card teams belong. Basically it would guarantee that any team that makes the Super Bowl has to go through all 3 champions not around them.

No teams would be eliminated if you still keep the 4 divisional champions and you still have a wild card week. Cut 2 pre-season games. Issue solved.

So NFL players will play an additional 6 quarters, if that, where they would otherwise ride the bench in the preseason. Big deal.

So basically you want to add two weeks of playoff games in exchange for two less weeks of preseason games, correct? A post-season that would be five games long for division winners that make it to the super bowl and six games long for wild card teams, correct?

I don't know, I'm thinking you run the risk of the playoffs becoming more about attrition and which backups outplayed the other team's backups than about highly productive performances in this scenario.


I also don't like the idea of teams advancing due to a tiebreaker (e.g., two teams go 2-1 and two go 1-2 in the three-game round). It's bad enough playoff spots are determined by tiebreakers; now playoff victors as well?
 
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So basically you don't care if you really were the best and beat the best, just that you get to wear the belt?

Yeah, that's basically my issue with it. That's exactly what it is right now.

Thank God the Patriots, Tom Brady and Bill Bellichick doesn't have this attitude or they would never be who they are.
The Pats and the Giants are the best, they're the last two standing so they're the best. You sound like you have no respect for the Giants, they could very well beat us next week. EVERY team has to deal with injuries, they're schedual, and luck, luck is a big part of it. There was luck involved when the Pats won their SB's. Oh and if we went with your logic the pats shouldn't have been in and won the 01 SB. Its very difficult just to get to a SB, so just enjoy the ride, it could be years before this team gets to another one., cause thats the way it usually works.


You have what us old folks call ''The Exuberance of Youth''
 
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That's a ridiculous remark. The toughest opponent you face all year is the one you're playing that week. The Giants will be the toughest opponent the Patriots face all year because a Superbowl is on the line.


Yeah ok...whatever you say. The Super Bowl may be on the line, but they're not playing the toughest opponent for the Super Bowl. They already played their toughest opponent for the chance to play in the Super Bowl.

It's no ridiculous at all. And this isn't the first time the Giants got this lucky.

In 2007 Dallas went 13-3 and won the division.

They swept the Giants.
Game 1: 45-35
Game 2: 31-20

But the Giants beat them by 4 points, 21-17 in the Divisional round and got a chance to beat the Patriots in the 2007 Super Bowl.

That's appalling. How is a team that gets absolutely murdered in the regular season, and has a 1-2 record, the better team just because they win a divisional round by 4 points?

Just like this year they also got beat by the 13-3 Green Bay Packers that year 35-13 but then beat them by 3 points and got to advance.

I mean that's not even close! So all you have to do is get lucky in the playoffs basically and you get to play in the Super Bowl. It's about time the Giants get blown out 40-10 in the Super Bowl for all this mockery. Maybe that will force some changes.

They may have won the Super Bowl, but they were nowhere near being the best team in 2007. And they're nowhere near being one of the top teams this year either.
 
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Yeah ok...whatever you say. The Super Bowl may be on the line, but they're not playing the toughest opponent for the Super Bowl. They already played their toughest opponent for the chance to play in the Super Bowl.

It's no ridiculous at all. And this isn't the first time the Giants got this lucky.

In 2007 Dallas went 13-3 and won the division.

They swept the Giants.
Game 1: 45-35
Game 2: 31-20

But the Giants beat them by 4 points, 21-17 in the Divisional round and got a chance to beat the Patriots in the 2007 Super Bowl.

That's appalling. How is a team that gets absolutely murdered in the regular season, and has a 1-2 record, the better team just because they win a divisional round by 4 points?

Just like this year they also got beat by the 13-3 Green Bay Packers that year 35-13 but then beat them by 3 points and got to advance.

I mean that's not even close!
You're having a ***** and moan about teams performing when they are supposed to perform, the playoffs. The regular season has no bearing on the playoffs, get that through your skull.
 
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I always lived by the principle that if you wanna be the best you gotta beat the best not shy away from it. I know some are fond of the idea of the Patriots being able to get their revenge on the greatest stage of all, and I am too, but for me, there's just a bigger principle that goes unmentioned.

For the third time since 2007, 3 pretty average teams have found their way into the Super Bowl, with the Giants now twice and Arizona Cardinals a few years back. I don't have a problem with the Giants doing exactly what every other NFL team should be doing as a football team, which is fight tooth and nail to make their way into the Super Bowl when they get that opportunity. That part doesn't bother me and they should be commended for it

The part that does bother me about this whole deal is that this playoffs system cheats fans, football teams and other players out of seeing the best teams teams at the end and with a shot at the Super Bowl. This is a perfect example of where yes, the Giants were the better team on that day when they played the 49ers and Green Bay. Without a doubt. But there is no way both of those teams wouldn't beat the Giants 8 out of 10 times this year if they faced each other. In fact they both beat them earlier this year and so have the Saints. The Saints dominated the Giants. It wasn't even close. But they never got a chance to face each other in the playoffs.

GB and the 49ers went 1-1 with the Giants counting the playoffs. But the Saints were 1-0, and decisively thrashed the Giants. But because the Giants wins came in the playoffs, they get to advance and the other teams get to go home.

Those teams don't get an opportunity to try again, and prove that they are in fact better. No 2 out of 3, their initial wins mean nothing. They don't get a second shot. All their hard work in the regular season is for nothing. It's like it almost makes you not wanna try to go 13-3 or 15-1 when you know that in the past 5 years 3 teams that made the super bowl were just average and one of them went on to win it.

There is no possible way, after watching the playoffs this year, that you can convince me that this Giants team is the best team in the NFC. It wouldn't have bothered me nearly as bad if it was the 13-3 Cowboys that beat the Patriots in 2007. But the truth is any team can beat another team on any given Sunday, and that's exactly what we saw in the 2007 Super Bowl as well as the Divisional rounds and Championship games between the Giants and the 49ers and GB. That doesn't mean however that any team should get that chance.

My question is, if these teams faced each other twice, what are the chances the Giants would still be advancing? What does it say about all of these teams that excel throughout the season? It's meaningless? That teams should stop trying? Just be average and do good in the playoffs?

Doesn't it rob fans of the better match-ups possible like GB vs Patriots this year, or vs Saints or 49ers teams that truly to me, are much better overall than the Giants? Does anybody else feel like we should have some sort of group playoff system in the divisional rounds instead of one-and-done and you go home?

A group playoff system wouldn't stop good teams and underdogs from succeeding and advancing, but it would certainly filter out lucky teams that just honestly, haven't convinced me they should be where there are. A rematch like this, while great, is going to do one of two things: Either completely expose one team as fake and a joke and bring more criticism to their quarterback or tarnish the image of another.

It certainly doesn't feel like the Super Bowl is a battle of the best. Sometimes it's that, but it seems a lot of times it's a battle of the best vs the luckiest. And it certainly doesn't clarify who the best teams in the conference is.

Try to follow this along: The 9-7 Giants who got beat by the Perfect Green Bay Packers, 49ers and trumped by the Saints beat the Packers, who played pretty crappy in the playoffs, and completely knocked them out of Super Bowl contention on that one game. The 49ers beat the Saints in the playoffs, so the Saints who thrashed the Giants get to go home and then the Giants beat the 49ers, also in an unconvincing fashion, who beat Giants in the regular aseason and also beat the Saints in the playoffs who trashed the Giants earlier....therefore.......therefore what? What the hell does all that prove? That the Giants are the best team in the NFC?

Everyone got that? Is everyone clear why the Giants belong? Ok good! Then will you please explain it to me so I understand? :)

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You're having a ***** and moan about teams performing when they are supposed to perform, the playoffs. The regular season has no bearing on the playoffs, get that through your skull.

Read what you're saying though. The rest of the season games don't matter? You think those teams don't want to perform? The 49ers, Patriots, Green Bay and the Saints didn't bust their ass every single game of the season? Are you not supposed to perform for the other 16 games?

It happens. Even the best get beaten on a bad day, but the playoffs, and who gets to play in such a huge game shouldn't come down to one bad day. It really should be about the best teams. And right now, only one of them is playing in it.

And from where I am standing, it's a shame.
 
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holy f are you suggesting a BCS style championship in the NFL? you need to be sent to reeducation camp
 
I'm probably in the minority here, but I always lived by the principle that if you wanna be the best you gotta beat the best not shy away from it.

They beat a pretty decent playoff team in Atlanta before beating the 2 best teams in the NFC (some might argue NFL). How is that not beating the best to get to the Superbowl. You're seriously going to say they "shied away from the best" when going on the road through Atlanta, NO, SF, and now the Pats? Come on, man...
 
Read what you're saying though. The rest of the season games don't matter? You think those teams don't want to perform? The 49ers, Patriots, Green Bay and the Saints didn't bust their ass every single game of the season? Are you not supposed to perform for the other 16 games?

It happens. Even the best get beaten on a bad day, but the playoffs, and who gets to play in such a huge game shouldn't come down to one bad day. It really should be about the best teams. And right now, only one of them is playing in it.

And from where I am standing, it's a shame.
How about you read what you're saying. You're having a monumental moan about a system that isn't broken. Green Bay didn't have to lose to New York as the #1 seed. That match changed the complexion of the entire NFC in the playoffs. Green Bay got cute and rested players, with Rodgers not playing for in essence what became 3 weeks. They dug their own grave. The 49ers had home field and the Giants capitalized on their mistakes. Who cares what the regular season scores were in the playoffs? The playoffs are the playoffs.

What you continually fail to understand is the comment I made earlier, it doesn't matter what happens in the regular season as long as you make the playoffs. The AFC went to script and the #1 seed is in the Superbowl because they performed, albeit unspectacularly in the AFC Championship but it was enough.

The playoffs are the best part of the season because it's cut throat. If you want to have a system that rewards best of series, the NHL, NBA and MLB (all sports that I enjoy) are quite entertaining and you'd be better served following them more closely.

There is nothing wrong with the NFL Playoffs. It's brilliant in fact.
 
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If the whole idea is "to be the best, you have to beat the best", then isn't that what the Giants are on the cusp of doing themselves?

If the playoffs belonged only to the best looking teams on paper, the Steelers or Raiders would have faced the Rams in SB 36 instead of the Patriots. BTW those average teams, the Giants and Cardinals, played their respective SB's down to the wire (we know what NYG did but do you remember Warner's TD to Fitzgerald to put the Cards ahead late?)

I get the point of wanting to see the two hands-down, no questions asked best teams battle for #1. But we have that beauty pageant style already in college football with the BCS, and it's unfair and sucks. That's the beauty of the NFL, it's not how you start but rather how you finish.
 
How about you read what you're saying. You're having a monumental moan about a system that isn't broken. Green Bay didn't have to lose to New York as the #1 seed. That match changed the complexion of the entire NFC in the playoffs. Green Bay got cute and rested players, with Rodgers not playing for in essence what became 3 weeks. They dug their own grave. The 49ers had home field and the Giants capitalized on their mistakes. Who cares what the regular season scores were in the playoffs? The playoffs are the playoffs.

What you continually fail to understand is the comment I made earlier, it doesn't matter what happens in the regular season as long as you make the playoffs. The AFC went to script and the #1 seed is in the Superbowl because they performed, albeit unspectacularly in the AFC Championship but it was enough.

The playoffs are the best part of the season because it's cut throat. If you want to have a system that rewards best of series, the NHL, NBA and MLB (all sports that I enjoy) are quite entertaining and you'd be better served following them more closely.

There is nothing wrong with the NFL Playoffs. It's brilliant in fact.

How is it not broken when average teams that get blown out and swept win a lucky game and make the finals while the best teams stay home?

The playoffs are not cut throat. If they were cut throat, all champions would have to go through the champions. Right now, three lucky bounces allows any 8-8 or 9-7 team to get through the Super Bowl, while tried and tested teams stay home for losing a 3 point game in a divisional round.

Sometimes it's even completely out of their hands, like a bad call. It's very broken and has been for some time now. Three out of the past 5 years you have had average teams make the Super Bowl.

Sorry, but that's pretty freaking broken.
 
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How is it not broken when average teams that get blown out and swept win a lucky game and make the finals while the best teams stay home?

The playoffs are not cut throat. If they were cut throat, all champions would have to go through the champions. Right now, three lucky bounces allows any 8-8 or 9-7 team to get through the Super Bowl, while tried and tested teams stay home for losing a 3 point game in a divisional round.

Sometimes it's even completely out of their hands, like a bad call. It's very broken and has been for some time now. Three out of the past 5 years you have had average teams make the Super Bowl.

Sorry, but that's pretty freaking broken.
You are completely irrational regarding this topic. The playoffs are broken and not cut throat? Sure thing.
 
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holy f are you suggesting a BCS style championship in the NFL? you need to be sent to reeducation camp

First of all you should calm down, as I already stated I am probably in the minority.

Second of all, if you did that, and would actually take the time to read you would realize nobody is suggesting a BCS style playoff system.

Thanks for overreacting and contributing to nothing.
 
Read what you're saying though. The rest of the season games don't matter? You think those teams don't want to perform? The 49ers, Patriots, Green Bay and the Saints didn't bust their ass every single game of the season? Are you not supposed to perform for the other 16 games?

It happens. Even the best get beaten on a bad day, but the playoffs, and who gets to play in such a huge game shouldn't come down to one bad day. It really should be about the best teams. And right now, only one of them is playing in it.

And from where I am standing, it's a shame.

GB, 49ers, and Patriots busted their ass every game not just to get into the playoffs but to get a bye to advance past the first round and then get home field advantage.

You're judging whether teams deserve to win or not based on what, regular season records? Stats? It's faulty logic. No team that goes deep in the playoffs on the road is a 'bad' team. The Giants made the plays that the other teams couldn't when it mattered. They deserve to be where they are. The Packers deserve to have lost in the first round. They took their foot off the gas pedal and played SCARED. I didn't see GB get unlucky, I saw their team fall under pressure. THAT is what the playoffs are all about. Who can perform on the biggest stage.
 
They beat a pretty decent playoff team in Atlanta before beating the 2 best teams in the NFC (some might argue NFL). How is that not beating the best to get to the Superbowl. You're seriously going to say they "shied away from the best" when going on the road through Atlanta, NO, SF, and now the Pats? Come on, man...

Because they would have certainly lost to 2 of those teams if they played them again and the Patriots get shafted out of facing a worthy opponent. It's not the Giants that bothers me. It's the fact the other teams don't get the chances they have earned and the Patriots are in a situation to lose, while they have everything to gain.

It's like winning a boxing rematch by sucker punching someone after you got whooped the first time around, but then you chose not to play 2 out of 3 and keep the belt. Congratulations to them I guess.
 
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