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I liked Hobbs' toughness, but the ball was at the 11, and he was playing 7 yards off, standing at the 4-yard line at the snap. By the time Hobbs crossed the goal line in coverage, he was 1-2 yards behind Plax. If you do the math on that one, it's pretty hard not to place some of the blame on him.

The Pats blitzed and usually Plax responded to the blitz by running a slant behind the rushing LBs. Hobbs played it that way, but got fooled when Burress went back outside.

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Once again, the Pats had Watson, that had a pretty good year for at TE back in that period in time, a deep threat in Stalworth, and a pretty good receiver in Gaffney. That team was much better at using the WHOLE field than this current team, you couldn't just flood the middle with that team like you can with this one.

Unless of course you have a ton of faith in your pass rush getting to the QB before the deeper routes can develop, which if memory serves is primarily what the Giants did.
 
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the giants OL is not as good as it was then
 
Thanks for the link, Ian.

I had deeply repressed the memory of Nick Kaczur as a starting tackle for us... What a ****ing bum. Can't believe how poorly Mankins graded out in 42. Wow.

Seeing that play chart actually gives me a lot more confidence for this game. We've replaced Kaczur with Solder/Vollmer and Waters compared to Hochstein are both big upgrades. Koppen got abused that game but I'm not sure Connolly is necessarily a big improvement.

Still, I like our offensive line much better coming in to this game than 07.
 
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I was having a discussion last night with one of the guys about the upcoming match-up, and we talked about the fact Mankins got owned by Tuck in the "game that shall not be named." He mentioned that he remembered seeing a really good thread about it after it was over.

I did some digging and I just found it:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...pass-protection-breakdown-excellent-read.html

Good stuff for anyone who might remember it.

Ian

That O-line had Hochstein and Kaczur on it. It was a far inferior line to what they have this time around. The line is much better now and they're healthy. Plus, they have a talented guy like Vollmer in reserve (or Solder, if they start Vollmer).

Moreover, their #1 TE (Gronk) is a much bigger threat than Kyle Brady or Ben Watson were. KBrady could only block. Watson could only receive. Gronk poses serious problems for them not only because he can block, but because he can chip (recall the great chip on Suggs) and then explode into a pass pattern.

No doubt the Giants' D-line is outstanding and will be a significant challenge to say the least. But the Pats' O-line is in a much better position to take that challenge on this time around.
 
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the giants OL is not as good as it was then


Neither is our DLine or defense as a whole, though, unfortunately.

Giants run game is definitely worse than it was then. The Giants need Eli's arm to win this one. Unfortunately, that ties directly into our weakness -- pass defense.
 
That O-line had Hochstein and Kaczur on it. It was a far inferior line to what they have this time around. The line is much better now and they're healthy. Plus, they have a talented guy like Vollmer in reserve (or Solder, if they start Vollmer).

Agreed that our OLine is better now than in 2007, or at least as good. Light is older, but having a great year. Mankins is the same (but hopefully better in this SB than the last one -- maybe he was hurt??). Koppen is great at communication, etc., but isn't incredibly strong at the point of attack. Losing him isn't devastating. Waters is better than Neal/Hochstein, to be honest. Solder/Vollmer are better than Kaczur.

And Gronk is better than Brady/Watson at blocking, and infinitely better at catching, obviously.

No doubt the Giants' D-line is outstanding and will be a significant challenge to say the least. But the Pats' O-line is in a much better position to take that challenge on this time around.

Agreed. If Vollmer is healthy, then Pats might want to consider some 3 TE sets with Gronk and Solder as TEs and running the ball down the Giants throats.
 
Belichick is like Batman.

He comes to the fight and loses in a close one. Goes back home, studies his enemies weaknesses and uses all of their flaws against them, thats why we'll win this game.
 
Belichick is like Batman.

He comes to the fight and loses in a close one. Goes back home, studies his enemies weaknesses and uses all of their flaws against them, thats why we'll win this game.

Welker = Robin?
 
Agreed that our OLine is better now than in 2007, or at least as good. Light is older, but having a great year. Mankins is the same (but hopefully better in this SB than the last one -- maybe he was hurt??). Koppen is great at communication, etc., but isn't incredibly strong at the point of attack. Losing him isn't devastating. Waters is better than Neal/Hochstein, to be honest. Solder/Vollmer are better than Kaczur.

And Gronk is better than Brady/Watson at blocking, and infinitely better at catching, obviously.



Agreed. If Vollmer is healthy, then Pats might want to consider some 3 TE sets with Gronk and Solder as TEs and running the ball down the Giants throats.

I would love to see this. Run it at them and play action to Gronk and Welker. With the exception of Atlanta they havent really shown they can stop the run.
 
this O-line, specifically vets like Light and Mankins had BETTER have a strong game


like the best one in their careers

simply to prove that the giants D line did NOT take their balls away in that SB game
 
The key will be to make sure they don't know what's coming ahead of time:

Brand New/Old Super Bowl XLII Drama? |

So with the Super Bowl XLII rematch looming for this weekend it was really oddly coincidental that I would end up having a very interesting conversation last night. What started as a discussion on parabolic microphones turned into a very curious piece of news. It started out of nowhere with the line:

“Belichick blames me for losing Super Bowl XLII, and that’s not an exaggeration.”

The individual I was speaking with was an audio engineer working for FOX during Super Bowl XLII in Pheonix. And from hearing the friendly tone of his voice dip to a deep rooted irritation (like recalling a spelling bee you lost in 5th grade because your teacher insisted “chrysanthemum” was spelled with a “k”) I could tell he wasn’t joking. At all. It had come up in a discussion about not pointing the mic at coaches on the sidelines. He had obviously had to touch on this issue many times before, and still it grazed a nerve. “Whatever, cheaters are always going to be cheaters,” he gruffed abruptly, having to take a breath for a second afterwards to return to his normal friendly professional demeanor.

The issue with Belichick, apparently, stemmed from a floating mechanically controlled parabolic mic used to record pre-play audio over the huddles for the broadcast. Parabolic mics, also known in layman’s terms as “that flyin saucer thing, khed” are the mics you see on the sidelines of football games. You usually only notice them then the mic op gets run over. The overhead mics are nothing new even for the 07-08 Super Bowl. Networks had been using them during regular season games. Following the season however Belichick, along with several other coaches, complained heavily to the league about the floating parabolics. So heavily in fact that the mic was actually banned for several games at the start of the 2008 season. The networks eventually won back the rights to use the mics, but with some restrictions.

But there was still that whole “costing Belichick the Super Bowl” business issue. And that was the real eye opener here. The rumor, as I understand it, was that Belichick claimed the chatter from the huddle was being monitored, possibly by Giants personnel, possibly by others, for the purpose of figuring out the Patriots playcalling in Super Bowl XLII. Let that one sink in for a second.
 
Welker = Robin?

Danny-DeVito-Penguin.jpg


Their height matches up too well to ignore.
 
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You mean like Samuel (missed pick) and Hobbs (missed coverage on TD)?

don't forget meriweather (missed pick on last drive/blown coverage on helmet catch)
 
I guess Samuel sucked and wasnt a playmaker for us. Hobbs is 1/11.

Great logic.

Samuels sucked on that last drive. Hobbs had a bad groin and was 80% at best. Love Rodney, but he had lost a step. Meriweather was/is Meriweather.
 
JPP and Osi have been more productive than Tuck this year. I don't think there are enough pieces around to draw comparisons to the 07 season. It's gonna happen regardless anyway.
 
JPP and Osi have been more productive than Tuck this year. I don't think there are enough pieces around to draw comparisons to the 07 season. It's gonna happen regardless anyway.

I think you can draw a comparison in that the Giants will have a similar gameplan. They will, for the most part, rush four and drop others into coverage in the middle of the field, daring Brady to go to the outside. The question then as it is now is will the Oline be able to block their DL, regardless if its JPP, Tuck, Osi, etc. Despite the great offenses on these two teams, this game will be won or lost in the trenches.
 
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