ESPN. Tebow. Skip. Stephen A.

RodThePat said:

I give Tebow a little more credit than the other poster you quoted, but Broncos/Tebow fans REALLY need to stop with this "if you criticize Tim Tebow it's because you have something against him personally" bull****. Really, guys, it's wearing thin.

I give Tebow a lot of credit for the win against Pittsburgh. Really, I do. But let's be honest for a second here. Had the Steelers played any other QB in the league, do you really think they'd be lining up in Cover-0 and Cover-1 Robber with as many as 9 guys in the box for a good portion of the game? Props to Tebow, when he had a guy beating man coverage deep he got him the ball, but those chances were only there to take because he isn't respected as a passer in the first place. I've never seen a professional quarterback get that little respect in a playoff game, seriously it was astounding.

I think there has been a huge overreaction to the Pittsburgh game. People are hopping on the "see what happens when you let him loose??!!" bandwagon, but I just don't see it. I don't think for a second he'd be more successful in a traditional offense, or if he was allowed to air it out for prolonged period of time. He is a tough kid who has trouble completing a lot of the passes that an NFL quarterback has to make. His best attribute as a passer is throwing an accurate deep ball, and that's how he'll complete the majority of his passes and make his mark passing the football, but in the end, that's a very limited skillset in this day and age.

Tebow is a very nice young man, and I have absolutely nothing against him personally. Actually, I find myself rooting for him a lot, because he's exciting as a player and likeable as a human being. That doesn't mean I can't think he is a below-average quarterback, though.

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Look, Denver didn't win because Pittsburg's defense played bad. You can always make that argument in any game that takes place. You can say that about Tom Brady if you want. Tom Brady didn't really make those great passes and great decisions under pressure. It was really just the other team's defense messing up and didn't cover their receivers well enough. This happened throughout his entire career and he's a total fraud. I mean, how ridiculous does that argument sound?

-It's even more ridiculous when you don't consider Pittsburg's defense has been carrying that offense all season long.
-It's even more ridiculous when you don't consider Ben's ridiculous amount of interceptions including the one he had in this game when Tebow didn't.
-It's even more ridiculous when you don't consider Pittsburgh's offense finished 27th in the league in efficiency.
-It's even more ridiculous when you saw with your own eyes Ben's below average and typically failing NFL QB passer rating, making inaccurate passes, throwing picks and making the critical error of forcing a pass he shouldn't, getting sacked, and barely escaping the pocket versus Tebow's 125.0 passer rating, 3 total touchdowns and no interceptions.
-It's even more ridiculous when you consider Denver's average defense kept Ben to only 6 points in the first half. I mean what if Denver and Tebow would have only put up 6 points in the first half? Pittsburg's offense completely sucked in the first half, and Ben played as sloppy throughout most of that game as he did most of the season even if he made a decent effort to come back. It was too little too late and also got some timely breaks to make it happen. It's not good enough QB play at the playoffs level. Your big name and label can't save you when you play like that. Thank God for their D who allowed them to even comeback in the second half.
-It's even more ridiculous when it was completely predictable that Ben would play bad, because of his injury, has been playing so-so all season, and he played bad against Denver's defense. It's even more ridiculous when you consider that a more efficient offense will generally beat a team with a bad one, even if the bad one happens to have a good defense. It wasn't Pittsburgh's defense that failed them. It was their elite QB who was anything but elite against the Broncos compared to Tebow who did in fact play like an elite playoff QB.

The better offense won that game and the better playoff quarterback against a tougher defense. Yes, Tim Tebow, outclassed Ben Rothlisberger, not just as a quarterback, but as a decision maker, and a NFL passer with a no-name group of receivers and not nearly as talented a defense. It happens. People were wrong and they need to get over it. And the reason Tebowmania continues is because some people just continued to be "shocked" by this while others have long ago conceded and accepted this guy is completely capable of doing it.

I don't understand why some don't want to accept what the same criteria of numbers and stats people use to criticize Tebow indicate. Seems like a double standard. You can make a million excuses for it, but in the end, that's just what happened. All they are doing is fueling the Tebowmania fire.

Frankly I'd love for it to go away, so we can actually talk about true upsets instead of one where the expected outcome took place, as indicated even by the most popular stats. I mean Tebow may be able to pull off wins with a bad passer rating, but how often does a pretty traditional quarterback win a football game for his team with a 75.0 QB passer rating and an interception in the playoffs? Not very often right?

And if some think I'm just saying all this in hindsight.... here's what I predicted a couple of weeks ago about the Steelers:

Remember when Bret Farve played on a bad ankle? Remember when Ben played on a bad angle? Wait, wasn't that just last week? Mike T's got a big decision.

Ben's leadership + guaranteed interception + poor completion % - scrambling ability

VS

Back-up + better completion % + possible interception - leadership

Which one would you choose if you were Mike T?

Start Ben and he throws picks = Why did you start Ben knowing he has a bad ankle?
Start the back-up and they lose = Why didn't you start Ben knowing what his leadership can bring?

I'm going to say Ben has too much influence on the Pittsburg Steelers and will start and Mike T. is in a losing position no matter what he does, but he will look better by sticking with his vet. No matter who the Steeler's opponents are, they are going to benefit either way unless Mike T sits Ben, and the back-up ends up nailing it. If Ben starts, he's going to throw an interception. He was already throwing them before his ankle got this bad.

So what does this mean? It means Mike T and Big Ben will betray their defense, snub their back-up, and help Tom and the Patriots make the Super Bowl Thanks guys!

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...343-our-d-we-one-done-page11.html#post2864867

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Am I shocked in the least Ben did what I completely expected? Nope. Is Skip a nut because he's even better at predicting like this than I am, a mere amateur in comparison to him? Not at all. He does this a lot of times, not simply to purposely stir up a lot of controversy, but because his predictions just do that by default cause he's a much better analyst than your average fan or football enthusiast who sees beyond the simple stats most people focus on.

So when Ben put up a mediocre passer rating in the playoffs why is everyone so hell bent on blaming Pittsburgh's defense when it should be pretty obvious who messed up? That interception wasn't an amazing play by Denver D you know. Neither were those sacks when Ben was hobbling around the pocket. Or the bad snaps which was simply what we would call poor, unexcused execution. The interception was just a terrible pass by Ben. Something Tebow avoided, as a good NFL passer should, even if it is at the expense of a completion %. Not surprising in the least, it worked!

Keyser Söze said:

He took them to the playoffs? Wasnt he the QB putting up 10 points a game? Still getting credit for the wins too, laughable. He only had all those comebacks because he put the team in a hole early on. Broncos are a bad team who backed into the playoffs. If the Steelers didn't play so arrogant, Tebow time would be done.

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Only a fool would seriously try arguing that Tebow's not the driving force behind that team making the playoffs.

And the notion that it was "arrogance" that cost the Steelers that game is laughable.

Deus Irae said:

Only a fool would seriously try arguing that Tebow's not the driving force behind that team making the playoffs.

And the notion that it was "arrogance" that cost the Steelers that game is laughable.

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Denver PPG Before Tebow- 21
Denver PPG After Tebow- 18.5

Denver Points Allowed per game Before Tebow- 28
Denver Points Allow per game After Tebow- 22.7

So a fool would look at a simple stat like this and determine that Tebow is the driving force behind Denver's victories? Seems to be that it was the defense that was the driving force behind Denver's victories. Was Tebow responsible for Marion Barber stupidly running out of bounds? Was he responsible for kicking 59 yard field goals that are only made 10-20%% of the time?

Tebow was an excellent college quarterback and he seems to be a great person. But, people are ignoring the facts and discrediting what has really caused the Broncos turnaround- defense, special teams, a soft schedule, and lucky breaks.

Compare Tebow's stats to Tavaris Jackson for the season. They're not really all that different. Even the win/loss records are close. Compare his stats to Alex Smith. Alex Smith had a much better season and the 49ers were 13-3. But since he's not Tim Tebow, everyone says "Alex Smith is managing the game and not making mistakes." That's all Tim Tebow is doing. He's managing the game. And he's doing it worse than Alex Smith. So, to call Tim Tebow the driving force behind all the wins is what is actually foolish.

FSUPatsFan said:

Denver PPG Before Tebow- 21
Denver PPG After Tebow- 18.5

Denver Points Allowed per game Before Tebow- 28
Denver Points Allow per game After Tebow- 22.7

So a fool would look at a simple stat like this and determine that Tebow is the driving force behind Denver's victories? Seems to be that it was the defense that was the driving force behind Denver's victories. Was Tebow responsible for Marion Barber stupidly running out of bounds? Was he responsible for kicking 59 yard field goals that are only made 10-20%% of the time?

Tebow was an excellent college quarterback and he seems to be a great person. But, people are ignoring the facts and discrediting what has really caused the Broncos turnaround- defense, special teams, a soft schedule, and lucky breaks.

Compare Tebow's stats to Tavaris Jackson for the season. They're not really all that different. Even the win/loss records are close. Compare his stats to Alex Smith. Alex Smith had a much better season and the 49ers were 13-3. But since he's not Tim Tebow, everyone says "Alex Smith is managing the game and not making mistakes." That's all Tim Tebow is doing. He's managing the game. And he's doing it worse than Alex Smith. So, to call Tim Tebow the driving force behind all the wins is what is actually foolish.

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Denver without Tebow in the last 2 years: 4-14
Denver with Tebow in the last 2 years: 9-6

Yes, a fool. And that's being kind

Two side notes, by the way:

1.) In the game where the Broncos won with the long kick, the opposing team kicked one of those as well. It evened out.

2.) You might want to take a look at the turnover numbers from before and after Tebow.

From this season, before Tebow:
3
2
2
4
1

After Tebow:
1
3
0
0
1
0
2
2
3
3
2
1

As I've noted elsewhere, the Tebow-led Broncos have won every game they've played even or better on turnovers.

FSUPatsFan said:

Denver PPG Before Tebow- 21
Denver PPG After Tebow- 18.5

Denver Points Allowed per game Before Tebow- 28
Denver Points Allow per game After Tebow- 22.7

So a fool would look at a simple stat like this and determine that Tebow is the driving force behind Denver's victories? Seems to be that it was the defense that was the driving force behind Denver's victories. Was Tebow responsible for Marion Barber stupidly running out of bounds? Was he responsible for kicking 59 yard field goals that are only made 10-20%% of the time?

Tebow was an excellent college quarterback and he seems to be a great person. But, people are ignoring the facts and discrediting what has really caused the Broncos turnaround- defense, special teams, a soft schedule, and lucky breaks.

Compare Tebow's stats to Tavaris Jackson for the season. They're not really all that different. Even the win/loss records are close. Compare his stats to Alex Smith. Alex Smith had a much better season and the 49ers were 13-3. But since he's not Tim Tebow, everyone says "Alex Smith is managing the game and not making mistakes." That's all Tim Tebow is doing. He's managing the game. And he's doing it worse than Alex Smith. So, to call Tim Tebow the driving force behind all the wins is what is actually foolish.

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Cant reason with a Tebow fanboy

People really underestimate Tebow. He's only getting to get better. He has that determination - a sort of "just tell me I can't do it" attitude. And he keeps defying expectations.

It actually reminds me of another QB we all know well.

Keyser Söze said:

Cant reason with a Tebow fanboy

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Irony, considering you are the one ignoring the evidence....

Fball said:

People really underestimate Tebow. He's only getting to get better. He has that determination - a sort of "just tell me I can't do it" attitude. And he keeps defying expectations.

It actually reminds me of another QB we all know well.

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Tebow could flame out starting next game. That's not going to change what's already happened, though, which is what the anti-Tebow crowd just can't handle.

Deus Irae said:

Denver without Tebow in the last 2 years: 4-14
Denver with Tebow in the last 2 years: 9-6

Yes, a fool. And that's being kind

Two side notes, by the way:

1.) In the game where the Broncos won with the long kick, the opposing team kicked one of those as well. It evened out.

2.) You might want to take a look at the turnover numbers from before and after Tebow.

From this season, before Tebow:
3
2
2
4
1

After Tebow:
1
3
0
0
1
0
2
2
3
3
2
1

As I've noted elsewhere, the Tebow-led Broncos have won every game they've played even or better on turnovers.

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And you know how many teams Tebow has beaten with a winning record? Just 1. And that was the game against the Steelers. His luck will eventually even out and so will his record. Also, the Broncos had two long kicks that game, so not exactly evening out. My main point is that no one called Joe Flacco or Mark Sanchez the driving force behind their teams wins even when they "led" their teams to the playoffs their rookie years. I'm not saying Tebow isn't contributing. But more credit needs to be given to where credit is due. It seems with Tebow reality gets thrown out the window.

Again, Alex Smith has thrown 5 interceptions all year. Why isn't he the driving force behind SF 13-3 record?

This article does a decent job of showing why Tebow's winning record, etc. don't really matter much to this point in his career.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...sons-why-broncos-qb-is-not-a-long-term-option

FSUPatsFan said:

And you know how many teams Tebow has beaten with a winning record? Just 1. And that was the game against the Steelers. His luck will eventually even out and so will his record. Also, the Broncos had two long kicks that game, so not exactly evening out. My main point is that no one called Joe Flacco or Mark Sanchez the driving force behind their teams wins even when they "led" their teams to the playoffs their rookie years. I'm not saying Tebow isn't contributing. But more credit needs to be given to where credit is due. It seems with Tebow reality gets thrown out the window.

Again, Alex Smith has thrown 5 interceptions all year. Why isn't he the driving force behind SF 13-3 record?

This article does a decent job of showing why Tebow's winning record, etc. don't really matter much to this point in his career.

Tim Tebow: 4 Reasons Why Denver Broncos QB Is Not a Long-Term Option | Bleacher Report

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1.) The article is crap.

2.) The record argument might mean something if it weren't for that whole 4-14 thing.

3.) Actually, The change in Smith is a huge part of why the 49ers are where they are.


Look, it's one thing to think Tebow will flame out. I think that possibility certainly exists. It's another thing entirely, though, to be so prejudiced that you can't admit to what's already happened. That's just pathetic.

FSUPatsFan said:

Denver PPG Before Tebow- 21
Denver PPG After Tebow- 18.5

Denver Points Allowed per game Before Tebow- 28
Denver Points Allow per game After Tebow- 22.7

So a fool would look at a simple stat like this and determine that Tebow is the driving force behind Denver's victories? Seems to be that it was the defense that was the driving force behind Denver's victories. Was Tebow responsible for Marion Barber stupidly running out of bounds? Was he responsible for kicking 59 yard field goals that are only made 10-20%% of the time?

Tebow was an excellent college quarterback and he seems to be a great person. But, people are ignoring the facts and discrediting what has really caused the Broncos turnaround- defense, special teams, a soft schedule, and lucky breaks.

Compare Tebow's stats to Tavaris Jackson for the season. They're not really all that different. Even the win/loss records are close. Compare his stats to Alex Smith. Alex Smith had a much better season and the 49ers were 13-3. But since he's not Tim Tebow, everyone says "Alex Smith is managing the game and not making mistakes." That's all Tim Tebow is doing. He's managing the game. And he's doing it worse than Alex Smith. So, to call Tim Tebow the driving force behind all the wins is what is actually foolish.

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Well common sense says your analysis is incredibly short sighted and limited.

So basically Denver took a 2.5 point drop in points averaged(which is really quite meaningless compared to your ability to simply outscore your opponent regardless of point totals), while at the same time they went from a QB who throws an interception ever 28 pass attempts, Kyle Orton, which is in the bottom of the league(right there with Michael Vick, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, etc) to a QB who throws one every 45 passing attempts, which is what Tom Brady's career interception % is and throws less passes because he can also run, thereby nearly eliminating turnover risk. He actually went 1 per 99 attempts in his 8 game run which is pretty incredible.

But even if you ignore the fact most of his picks game in a 3 game span, they still went from a quarterback that throws a touchdown every 28 attempts, same exact as interceptions, to one that throws 1 every 22 attempts. So they went from a quarterback who throws as many touchdowns as interceptions to one that has a 2-1 ratio as a passer. Hmm....

But wait there's more. When considering his rushing production he really puts up 1 TD every 21 attempts of any kind, including the ability to move the ball by running it. In addition to this, Tebow happens to be able to motivate, lead and bring character to the entire team while being a much better face for the franchise and a great 4th quarter QB in close games.

Furthermore, by not turning over the ball, it also limits the amount of points the other team scores against Denver's defense, therefore, naturally you should expect the defense to allow less points, when you have less turnovers. Common sense. They DO in fact go hand in hand. The less turnovers your team has, which Tebow has something to do with, the less points your defense allows. Tebow's ability to protect the ball directly improved the amount of points allowed for Denver's defense.

It's crazy how none of these stats work in a vacuum and they actually completely affect each other, isn't it?

So now that we understand these things, and this basic football logic, how can you possible argue that Tebow DIDN'T have a winning impact? I mean you'd rather be able to score an extra 2.5 points per game while throwing an interception for every touchdown versus going on a 6-7 game run without an interception in a low scoring offense and improved defense because of it? Why? You like losing? Take Orton!

When everybody understands how significantly an impact a turnover can have on a team's chance of winning a football game, why would you NOT respect Tebow's ability to protect the ball? Why would you not concede that has a direct impact on a team's ability to win and yes, improve your defense in the points allowed department?

Like I said, short sighted analysis.

PS: Alex Smith is equally as impressive in his efficiency this year and deserves much credit for it. He is also a difference maker this year in his team as is his coach. Same for Denver.

Deus Irae said:

1.) The article is crap.

2.) The record argument might mean something if it weren't for that whole 4-14 thing.

3.) Actually, The change in Smith is a huge part of why the 49ers are where they are.


Look, it's one thing to think Tebow will flame out. I think that possibility certainly exists. It's another thing entirely, though, to be so prejudiced that you can't admit to what's already happened. That's just pathetic.

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I'm the one that's so prejudiced that can't admit what has actually happened?

The Ravens were 5-11 the year before Joe Flacco and 11-5 the year Joe Flacco arrived for a 6 game turnaround. 4-14 to 8-6 is a fairly similar turnaround. I excluded the playoff win since I also excluded Flacco's from that year. Was Joe Flacco the driving force? No. John Harbaugh and the Raven's defense was. But, John Fox and Denver's defense have nothing to do with Denver's turnaround.

You're correct, the change in Smith is a huge part of why SF is doing well. But again, he's not getting nearly the credit Tebow is. Why? Because he doesn't deserve the credit. He being analyzed the way he should be analyzed. He's managing the game and not making mistakes, which is exactly what Tebow is doing.

Here's the REALITY of how Tebow has "won" his games:

Miami- Denver didn't even score until there was only 3 minutes left in the game. Miami started playing prevent and let Tebow score a TD. Then Denver recovers an onside kick (Special teams not Tebow). It OT the Defense forced a fumble (not Tebow) to put the broncos in fg range and Prater (not Tebow) kicked the game winner.

Jets- Had one day to prepare for Tebow. Played Sunday night followed by Thursday night on the road. I shouldn't have to tell you how significant of an advantage that is. The Jets only managed to score 13 points and the Broncos won in the closing minutes.

Minnesota- A stupid late interception by Ponder gave the game away to Denver. Granted, Denver did have a good offensive showing against one of the worst pass defenses in the league. Still, Tebow needed a lot of luck to win this game.

San Diego- The Chargers miss an overtime field goal that would have won the game. Because Denver has an excellent field goal kicker (Prater, not Tebow), they were able to kick the winner in OT. The defense played excellent and only gave up 13 points.

Chicago- We really don't need to discuss this one again.

So, if those games all turn out how they would have 90% of the time, Tebow would be 2-9 as a starter for the season and 3-11 overall. What's pathetic is how you and the Tebow fanboys can't admit how incredibly lucky he and the Broncos have been.

FSUPatsFan said:

You're correct, the change in Smith is a huge part of why SF is doing well. But again, he's not getting nearly the credit Tebow is. Why? Because he doesn't deserve the credit. He being analyzed the way he should be analyzed. He's managing the game and not making mistakes, which is exactly what Tebow is doing.

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1.) He's gotten quite a bit of credit for changing his game.

2.) Smith's not getting the lion's share of the credit because people are giving credit to the thing that changed, which was the head coach. In Denver, the thing that changed was the QB.

You keep reinforcing my point, but this has all been done over and over, and it's boring.

Sivy said:

Tebow is a good player. People should start to give him credit.

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and colin cowherd, he is a big brady and patriot fan.

Armstrong12 said:

Beside the fact that he already made himself the strating QB of the denver broncos cause he tooke them to the playoffs (not alone ofcourse) - why do you think so?

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people used to say the same thing about brady

FSUPatsFan said:

Denver PPG Before Tebow- 21
Denver PPG After Tebow- 18.5

Denver Points Allowed per game Before Tebow- 28
Denver Points Allow per game After Tebow- 22.7

So a fool would look at a simple stat like this and determine that Tebow is the driving force behind Denver's victories? Seems to be that it was the defense that was the driving force behind Denver's victories. Was Tebow responsible for Marion Barber stupidly running out of bounds? Was he responsible for kicking 59 yard field goals that are only made 10-20%% of the time?

Tebow was an excellent college quarterback and he seems to be a great person. But, people are ignoring the facts and discrediting what has really caused the Broncos turnaround- defense, special teams, a soft schedule, and lucky breaks.

Compare Tebow's stats to Tavaris Jackson for the season. They're not really all that different. Even the win/loss records are close. Compare his stats to Alex Smith. Alex Smith had a much better season and the 49ers were 13-3. But since he's not Tim Tebow, everyone says "Alex Smith is managing the game and not making mistakes." That's all Tim Tebow is doing. He's managing the game. And he's doing it worse than Alex Smith. So, to call Tim Tebow the driving force behind all the wins is what is actually foolish.

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Florida state guy not liking tebow, who was a gator. wat a suprise

since you love stats. here is some.

Total time of possesion increase per game after Tebow : 4minutes

Total Avg Rushing yards per game before tebow: 80 yards

Total Avg Rushing yards per game after Tebow: 211 yards.

Leading to the #1 Rushing team in NFL.

Tebow just had one of the best postseason games in recent quarterback history. Objectively. Factually. Statistically.

According to ESPN's QBR, it was the best playoff game a quarterback has played since before 2008 -- when they began tracking the stat.

He was the only quarterback to throw for 300 yards against Pittsburgh all season. He did it with just 21 pass attempts, and he also rushed for 50 yards and did not turn the ball over. Pittsburgh allowed a total of 1 (one) completion of 45+ yards all season. Tebow completed 3 passes of 50+ yards.

Since 1990, the team ranked #1 in regular season defense has played 44 postseason games. In those 44 games, the opposing QB's average yards per passing attempt was 6.3 yards. Tebow's was 15.0. That is the highest since 1990. The next-best was over 4 yards-per-attempt fewer.

Also drawing from that pool of 44 games, Tebow recorded the second-highest passer rating of any QB. The only quarterback since 1990 to record a higher passer rating in a playoff game against the #1 defense was Brett Favre.

In the past 5 years, only 5 quarterbacks have recorded a game with yards per attempt averages of 15.0 or higher. Drew Brees, Matt Schaub, Jeff Garcia, Kurt Warner, and Philip Rivers.

Since 1990, 485 quarterbacks have thrown 15 or more passes in a game. Of those 485 quarterbacks, only 29 have recorded a passer rating higher than Tebow's 125.6 mark. It's the second time Tebow has done it this season.

He was not "okay". He was great, by any fair measure. Here's a list of how many times objectively great quarterbacks have thrown for 315 or more yards with 0 turnovers in a playoff game:

BY NO MEANS IM SAYING HE IS BETTER THEN ANY OF THESE ELITE QBS. These are just the facts of the performance.

Peyton Manning - 2 times
Brees - 2 times
Rodgers - 1 time
Favre - 1 time
Elway - 0 times
Roethlisberger - 0 times
Brady - 0 times
Marino - 0 times

Tebow just did it against the best defense in the NFL, while also rushing for 50 yards.

All ina season with no otas.

To say he isnt growing into a good qb would be false. Will he ever grow into a brady type of QB? no. but does that mean he wont win games? no. Its nice to have something different from the norm. If you rememeber Brady was pretty different from the norm. they drafted him 5th round and said he was to skinny with no arm strength.

to the people calling skip an idiot, your really clueless. This whole season and prior to last year, all Skip has ever said is that he can win games, can be a potential starting QB and is clutch. Skip hasn't given much blame to Tebow but he has gave a lot of blame to John Fox and John Elway for not ''unleashing him'' and using Tim the right way like Josh McDaniels did. Stephen A. Smith is just there for entertainment purposes, he doesn't know anything about the NFL, he just tries to argue every significant point even when he knows hes wrong. Skip Bayless is the only smart one on that show along with Eric Mangini, the rest of them are all Aaron Rodger bandwagoners. Skip has defended Tebow but let's not forget, Skip is the only true Patriot fan on that show so we have to give him props. He always gives Brady the respect he deserves when the rest of the panel tries to act like he's not even in the league anymore

What some of you don't think about is what Tebow does not always show ON THE FIELD,he is probably showing in the locker room.

Tebow is making those guys believe they can win,he may not throw for 300 yards too many times,but what he has in terms of leadership quality is something every NFL team needs to succeed and want.

This reminds me a little of 2001,Brady didn't exactly light up the scoreboard and he didn't throw for 300 yards often, but I bet you he had the special qualities off the field as a new starting QB that the team needed to truly believe they could pull off the huge upset in winning a championship that year.

I am not saying Denver is going to pull off the biggest shocker in NFL history and win the Super Bowl like NE did that year,but this Denver team appears to me to be a very tight held organization and looks like a team who is more like family and loves one another and believes in thier QB no matter what the stat sheet shows.....sometimes that's all you need to get to where you want to be.

Never underestimate a team that is a T-E-A-M ... it's more powerful that what some think.

Skip Bayless just plays an extremely biased and often stupid character on ESPN because he knows that sells and makes news.

Stephen A. Smith, on the other hand, is actually ******ed.

Keyser Söze said:

Bull****, he's never going to last as a QB.

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But I think he is the kind of person people & fans WANT to succeed. He's obviously a good guy, so why not?

I am amazed that people often prefer to root for players with criminal records or "bad-boy" types. Personally, I like the good guy types. Also think Tom Brady is very similar...a genuine good person who acts humble.

Not saying he will succeed, but I'd prefer him to rather than hope he fails.

....except Saturday night.