The Official Brady sucks and the defense has been carrying him Thread

Lifer · Nov 13, 2011

strngplyr said:
You are dense.

And Lifer, you're trying to hard. Every post in every thread is a sarcastic 'brady's bad' post. It wasn't funny the first time, and it's not funny now that you made a thread either.

I blame Brady. His poor play has clouded my judgement. He needs to hand the ball off to Kevin Faulk more.

reflexblue · Nov 13, 2011

BlackandBlue1111 said:
Wrong, since she made him cut his hair he has thrown more INT's than TD's

How do You know she made him cut his hair?

Lifer · Nov 13, 2011

BaltimorePatsFan said:
I hate saying this but at this point of his career he definitely isn't on the same level as Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees.

Let's face it. TB is 34 and he's finally getting old.

That is so dead on. He's too old. That's it! You could see this last year. Even though he threw 36 TDs and 4 INTS and they went 14-2 and he won the MVP you could tell he was losing it

scout · Nov 13, 2011

strngplyr said:
You are dense.

And Lifer, you're trying to hard. Every post in every thread is a sarcastic 'brady's bad' post. It wasn't funny the first time, and it's not funny now that you made a thread either.

Oh..........I guess I'll have to go to "all" the other threads and announce to everyone those discussions concerning Brady that it's all sarcasm. Andy stop posting, it's sarcasm.

BaltimorePatsFan · Nov 13, 2011

Lifer said:
That is so dead on. He's too old. That's it! You could see this last year. Even though he threw 36 TDs and 4 INTS and they went 14-2 and he won the MVP you could tell he was losing it

When you're on the wrong side of 30, it only takes an instant to suddenly lose a step. Just ask Randy Moss.

BradyManny · Nov 13, 2011

Patspsycho said:
I posted a thread indicating how much his turnovers were hurting the team, but nowhere did I suggest that it was permanent, or a growing problem, but his involvement in the offense has to be scaled back and managed properly because the facts speak for themselves:

Patriots' Record by Called-pass pct. (2009-2011, including playoffs)

Called Passes --- W-L

Over 60 pct. ..... 11-11
Under 60 pct ..... 18-2

In other words, when we pass for under 60%, and run on over 40% of our snaps, we are almost unbeatable.

Meaningless stat in a vacuum again, PP.

Teams run more when they have the lead. Even the Patriots.

Teams throw more when they are behind. Especially the Pats.

I gaurantee if you look at that 18-2, you'd see all the blowout games we'd had in which Brady and the pass offense got us off to a huge lead.

BradyManny · Nov 13, 2011

Patspsycho said:
Yes there is a quick fix. Every time our offensive balance has been balanced, they've been 18-2. That's very impressive, no matter how you spin it.

PP - go through those games.

Would you describe this as balanced:

Tennessee Titans vs. New England Patriots - Recap - October 18, 2009 - ESPN

It fits your stat, but that game was an aerial assault to get the lead. Not a balanced attack.

PatsDeb · Nov 13, 2011

I'm assuming that this is a bit of reverse psychology, and yes, I know that when I ASSUME something, I make an ***** out of U and ME, but if you are serious, especially U.

Patspsycho · Nov 13, 2011

BradyManny said:
PP - go through those games.

Would you describe this as balanced:

Tennessee Titans vs. New England Patriots - Recap - October 18, 2009 - ESPN

It fits your stat, but that game was an aerial assault to get the lead. Not a balanced attack.

it was a perfect 60/40 game, 45 pass attempts 30 runs. And it resulted in a win.

I don't get what you're trying to get at. I don't care if it's an aerial attack to set up the run- they still had 40% of the play calls resulting in a run, and that clearly resulted in a W.

The first TD (Moss) came as a result of a play-action (out of a run play) if I'm not wrong: a flea-flicker from BJGE.

Patspsycho · Nov 13, 2011

Patspsycho said:
it was a perfect 60/40 game, 45 pass attempts 30 runs. And it resulted in a win.

I don't get what you're trying to get at. I don't care if it's an aerial attack to set up the run- they still had 40% of the play calls resulting in a run, and that clearly resulted in a W.

The first TD (Moss) came as a result of a play-action (out of a run play) if I'm not wrong: a flea-flicker from BJGE.

Oops. I was wrong- the first TD was a 45 yard run by Maroney. So much for the aerial attack setting up the run theory.

reflexblue · Nov 13, 2011

Patspsycho said:
Oops. I was wrong- the first TD was a 45 yard run by Maroney. So much for the aerial attack setting up the run theory.

What ever it is we need a balanced attack, the team Can't be one dimensional.

Ring 6 · Nov 13, 2011

Patspsycho said:
Oops. I was wrong- the first TD was a 45 yard run by Maroney. So much for the aerial attack setting up the run theory.

You are doing causation in reverse.
When the Patriots get ahead they run more.
The causation of run/pass distribtion is that winning causes a higher % of runs, not that a higher % of runs causes winning.
Last week is a good example. We came out trying to run the ball in the first half, and it failed miserably, leaving us shut out at halftime. therefore we throw more because we failed running, and you chalk that up to a loss due to a philiosophy of throwing too much. Its ass backwards .

Ring 6 · Nov 13, 2011

reflexblue said:
What ever it is we need a balanced attack, the team Can't be one dimensional.

Actually when we are balanced and dominating, it is 2 different versions of one dimensional balancing each other out. We get ahead with a pass oriented offense, then go run heavy with a big lead. The biggest fallcy, especially with this team, is that run/pass raw numbers and % are an indication of balance.

BlackandBlue1111 · Nov 13, 2011

reflexblue said:
How do You know she made him cut his hair?

On his Monday morning stint on WEEI they asked him when he was going to cut his hair over a month ago. His reply, you have to ask my wife.

Paul_Newman · Nov 13, 2011

Lifer said:
I used to think Tom Brady was one of the top 3 QBs in the NFL and one of the top 5 to ever play the game. I used to think the Patriots defense was horrible and that only Brady was keeping them a contender. But knowledgable Patriots fans have turned me around on this. Despite the heroic efforts of our rock solid defense the last few years Tom Brady has held the Patriots back with his sloppy play. I say enough excuses. This organization has given Tom Brady a great defense, terrific receivers,and the best set of running backs in the league and its time to start producing, otherwise it may be time to give Mr Hoyer a shot.

I didn't realize the top 3 QB's in the game, were among the top-5 all-time.

olschool · Nov 13, 2011

reflexblue said:
You forgot to add married to a Super Model, who has sapped his passion and made him grow long hair.

Last year...long hair...league MVP.

This year...short hair...league WTF ?

I always thought Samson and Delilah was just a fable. Now, I'm not so sure.

Bradyfan 75 · Nov 13, 2011

BlackandBlue1111 said:
If Tom throws another 3 INT's vs 2 TD's what the hell, why not.

Another troll with a dumb comment as well the dumbest thread I've ever read keep on hatin don't jump on the bandwagon later Trolls

BradyFTW! · Nov 13, 2011

On one hand.... wow. OTOH, I'm actually kinda surprised that it took this long for someone to make this thread.

Also, how can the third-best QB in the NFL be the fifth-best of all time? Brady was clearly the best QB in the NFL as recently as last year, and even right now I'd still put him comfortably in the top 2 (maybe #1, depending on how how Rodgers fares against the good pass defenses that he'll be playing against soon).

BradyManny · Nov 13, 2011

Patspsycho said:
it was a perfect 60/40 game, 45 pass attempts 30 runs. And it resulted in a win.

I don't get what you're trying to get at. I don't care if it's an aerial attack to set up the run- they still had 40% of the play calls resulting in a run, and that clearly resulted in a W.

The first TD (Moss) came as a result of a play-action (out of a run play) if I'm not wrong: a flea-flicker from BJGE.

My point is, the end result of the game was 60/40 - so it goes down in your stat as a "balanced" game. But look at the box score, Brady had 5TD tosses in the first half. How balanced were they in that first half? Brady threw 34 passes in slightly over 2 quarters in that game. The running was done when Hoyer was in the game.

Thus, your stat is extremely misleading.

Silver Blue&Red · Nov 13, 2011

I hope this is some kind of karma thread. Are we so spoiled that the Pats arent allowed to have few bad games? I'm glad I dont have friends that would bail on me when I'm down! What happens if TB has a GREAT game?

. All aboard the bandwagon!!!! EDIT: I hope no Pats players are reading this forum. Must be great for morale!

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