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"instinctive playmaker like Asante Samuel [stats]."

With all the money and draft picks we've used to replace Asante, it was definitely a mistake to let him go. Yea he didn't tackle that well and sometimes missed on the play.. But considering his replacements have been a lot worse... It makes me cringe thinking if we kept him and used those picks for other areas..

For all the whining about the Hobbs/Samuel duo, that seems like a golden age compared to what's followed.
 
"instinctive playmaker like Asante Samuel [stats]."

With all the money and draft picks we've used to replace Asante, it was definitely a mistake to let him go. Yea he didn't tackle that well and sometimes missed on the play.. But considering his replacements have been a lot worse... It makes me cringe thinking if we kept him and used those picks for other areas..

Yeah, like the Eagles did... He really put them over the top... Guess that's why they been talking about trading him for two years...

People forget that we had Asante in 2007 and he didn't do us a damn bit of good when it mattered... Didn't do us a damn bit of good any other time either unless Rodney Harrison in his prime was out there directing the friggin secondary.
 
Remember in 2009 when people were arguing that Bodden was better than Samuel? Haha.

When Samuel was here, it worked well. No -- he was not a shutdown corner like Revis or Champ Bailey in his prime. But he made plays. He had a nose for the ball. He had elite ball skills.

No one is saying that Samuel is a shutdown corner that can play a guy one on one in press man coverage on an island. He's not that type of guy. Those guys are rare.

Belichick has always run more of a passive zone scheme in the secondary. Aside from when he had Ty Law, he's never relied too heavily on strictly man coverage like a guy like Rex Ryan does or in the manner Jim Johnson did many years ago.

People are angry because you let a guy, in his prime and who had flourished tremendously in Belichick's scheme, walk away for nothing. You have since tried to replace him to no avail with Hobbs, Webster, O'Neal, Bryant, Springs, Bodden, Wheatley, Wilhite, Butler, McCourty, etc.

Had you just kept him in the first place, you could have spent all those other assets/draft capital/free agency money on improving/rebuilding the deteriorating defensive front.

You can say whatever you want about Samuel's play on the Eagles. Who cares? It worked here. His playmaking has been sorely missed on this defense. He was a key cog in the championship defenses. He had a knack for making gamechanging plays in this defense. He is not the reason that Philly hasn't been "put over the top."

How many times have we heard "that guy wouldn't be as good in our defense/offense because of XYZ."??? Plenty of times -- especially on defense. Well maybe Asante isn't a great fit in Philly's defense. Maybe they thought they were getting a Revis-like CB. But in Belichick's defense, Asante was a perfect fit and you let him walk away for nothing more than a compensatory pick. And you had the funds to sign him, so don't bring up cap jail.
 
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The thought that we are the colts of the mid decade makes me sick.:enranged: What makes it even more confusing is we know B.B. is a great defensive coach. :confused:

Doesn't matter how good the coach is when the talent in the secondary (and at LB, for coverage purposes) is this bad.
 
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Yeah, like the Eagles did... He really put them over the top... Guess that's why they been talking about trading him for two years...

People forget that we had Asante in 2007 and he didn't do us a damn bit of good when it mattered... Didn't do us a damn bit of good any other time either unless Rodney Harrison in his prime was out there directing the friggin secondary.

Well that's just a dumb line of reasoning. You can say that about literally every player on the 2007 team. Might as well let Brady, Wilfork and Welker walk too, since they didn't do us a damn bit of good when it mattered. I agree that Asante wasn't worth what the Eagles were paying, but let's at least try to have an intelligent conversation about this.
 
Well that's just a dumb line of reasoning. You can say that about literally every player on the 2007 team. Might as well let Brady, Wilfork and Welker walk too, since they didn't do us a damn bit of good when it mattered. I agree that Asante wasn't worth what the Eagles were paying, but let's at least try to have an intelligent conversation about this.

Also in Asante's case, some forsight could've had him for less. I bet he would've taken 4 years, 32 million over being tagged -- which means we would've had him for 3 more years than we did.

I also never got the hate towards Hobbs -- he wasn't Ty Law but he was still a decent #2, a good #3.
 
We need Rodney now...or at least some attitude
 
Well that's just a dumb line of reasoning. You can say that about literally every player on the 2007 team. Might as well let Brady, Wilfork and Welker walk too, since they didn't do us a damn bit of good when it mattered. I agree that Asante wasn't worth what the Eagles were paying, but let's at least try to have an intelligent conversation about this.

I would take that CB duo over this one every day of the week and twice on sunday. McCourty was our saving grace but he has come down from that amazing rookie campaign he turned in. Granted he has looked better since we returned to zone which coincidentally enough is the same knock on asante. Man vs Zone abilities. Asante was/is a great zone CB, problem is he reeks in man.
 
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agreed with everything, this team could really use a physical corner who could play bump and run.
 
Give it time. The over-the-top homers have been slowly building their courage back up and have begun their propoganda campaign about last week's game. Pretty soon someone will rail at Rodney for not keeping it "in house", or for being out of touch, or for just being a media guy now, or something along those lines.

And there must be some stat that puts this defense in the Top 10. Least points allowed when entering the red zone from the east?
 
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We have big problems and we've made some horrible decisions with personnel-specifically in the secondary. We've opted for quicker players...but it seems they lack the aggressiveness of (last 10 yrs)-Otis Smith Tebucky Jones, Ty Law, Wilson, Hobbs, Samuels etc....etc......list goes on

I'm really disappointed and angry at the Bodden move. That was stupid.

I'm not a coach and I don't see the practices daily either-so I don't know what's best for the team to win.

Buffalo looks great right now....

Love BB but...

Bumble B. is not a good DB coach.

Who did he have come in to help a couple of yrs. ago? Dom Capers?

We drafted :

1.Butler CB (2nd round)-gone.
2.Merriweather S (1st)-gone!
3.Wilhite CB (4th)-gone
4. Wheatley CB (2nd)-gone
5.McGowan S (CHI)-gone
6. Sanders S -gone!
7. Bodden (DET(- gone!
8. McCourty CB (1)- ACTIVE
9. Dowling CB (Top 2nd)- OUT
10. Chung S (2nd)- ACTIVE (gotta stay healthy or we're done!)

The issue is developing our DB's...better coaching.
Bill needs help

Not to mention all the drafted/undrafted linebackers...Crable, Woods,Alexander and all the other....Adalius ...Burgess etc etcThomas and even further back to Beisel and Chad Brown
 
It must be very hard for this offense to improve in practice against this defense. I imagine that the stuff they run works fantastically against a group of DB's that can't play man and safeties that don't have a clue where they are going.

Good point. And on the flip side would this D be worse if it weren't getting the looks that Brady & co. give it during the week or are they so shell shocked by weeks end that the result is what we see on Sunday?
 
Agree with Harrison completely. I would much rather see them play aggressively and get beat than jus sit back and get abused the way they have been.
 
For one, I think the recovery rate of onside kicks is significantly less than 10%

I don't know what all the confusion is about. You are right, which means Belichick, after seeing the Steelers not punt once in the game, figured his defense had less than a 10% chance of stopping the Steelers. I'm sure he also factored in the possibility of kicking a field goal in that stadium & the Steelers needing at least two 1st downs even if they failed to recover the onside kick. Bottom line - he has a major lack of faith in this defense, which was same reason he went for it against the Colts from his 20 a year or two ago.
 
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Two words for Rodney Harrison

David Tyree
 
Given the state of the secondary, don't understand why they are not looking more seriously at some of the veterans that are out there. Where are the calls to Darren Sharper? Lito Sheppard was available up until recently. The secondary is a mess and guys like that could only help. The Bodden release is still a head scratcher for me, esp with the rook going on IR.
 
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I have three:

Hall of Fame
 
Re: Two words for Rodney Harrison

David Tyree

he wasn't covering Tyree on that crap-shot play. that coverage was blown by the safety who was shipped off to the bears
 
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he wasn't covering Tyree on that crap-shot play. that coverage was blown by the safety who was shipped off to the bears

No..it was Asante Shamuel. He had man to man coverage on Tyree and proceeded to check out what all the hoopla was out at the LOS and David went over the middle.
 
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