Broken Glass: Dowling to IR

PATRIOTSFANINPA · Oct 29, 2011

Patjew said:
Let's remember 2004. Scrubs galore in the secondary. Can Chung keep it all together back there like Rodney did?

Still had Bruschi,McGinest,Seymour and Vrabel up front and in the locker room to help those scrubs in the backfield play to the best.

None of those guys are still here....

RussFrancis · Oct 29, 2011

PATRIOTSFANINPA said:
Still had Bruschi,McGinest,Seymour and Vrabel up front and in the locker room to help those scrubs in the backfield play to the best.

None of those guys are still here....

Exactly. We cant ever compare specific units of this D today w/ any of those from the Superbowl years, because the total packages are nothing at all alike. As you said, those teams were stacked w/ players and leaders throughout. This D is in search of answers at just about every level.

Patsrock · Oct 29, 2011

Rob0729 said:
It's too early to label the guy a mistake. It is his rookie year. Not a good start, but there is no reason to not to believe he has the possibility to come back and be a productive member of the team.

I heard Jeff Howe of NECN today on 98.5 and he said that he did research on Dowling after he was drafted and his injury history has been overstated especially his high school career. He played 40 out of a possible 46 games in college.

You know better than to use actual facts. Let the people make up what they want

kudzif · Oct 29, 2011

Patjew said:
Let's remember 2004. Scrubs galore in the secondary. Can Chung keep it all together back there like Rodney did?

NFL rule changes have made scrubs galore secondaries defunct. If the 2004 secondary played in today's NFL they would be torched. 2011 NFL you need good cover guys more so than in any period of the NFL.

Keyser Söze · Oct 29, 2011

Cant wait to see him on the field with Butler, Wilhite and Wheatley.

randomk1 · Oct 29, 2011

RussFrancis said:
Exactly. We cant ever compare specific units of this D today w/ any of those from the Superbowl years, because the total packages are nothing at all alike. As you said, those teams were stacked w/ players and leaders throughout. This D is in search of answers at just about every level.

Not to mention the offense...they could just eat up the clock and play keep away from Manning or just score 41 on the #1 D the next week.

DaBruinz · Oct 29, 2011

BendButDontBreak37 said:
I know there will be Ras I Glass defenders, but as someone mentioned earlier, its so frustrating to watch Belichick constantly waste good picks on defensive backs that can't stay healthy or are soon cut. And with Dowling its not a freak injury, there was an injury history there to read. Then there are of course Butler, Wheatley, Wilhite and Meriweather.

People like yourself need to do more homework on guys like Dowling because when you b!tch and whine about the injury history and then look at the injury he suffered, You know that they aren't related.

ALSO, I am sick and tired of people thinking that BB is supposed to have precognition. Get serious people. Injuries HAPPEN. Deal with it.

Last I looked, Not a single person on this board could do better than BB, otherwise you wouldn't be posting on this board. You'd be part of an NFL Front Office.

mr3putt · Oct 29, 2011

Patsrock said:
You know better than to use actual facts. Let the people make up what they want

Thanks for the facts

Let me list some as well
Missed training camp
1 game played and 15 missed in his first pro season

Mistaken pick

DaBruinz · Oct 29, 2011

mr3putt said:
Thanks for the facts

Let me list some as well
Missed training camp
1 game played and 15 missed in his first pro season

Mistaken pick

The "mistaken pick" is your dumb opinion. That's fact.

dhamz · Oct 29, 2011

Rob0729 said:
Well, that sucks. According to Ian Rapaport, it is a tendon tear with no surgery needed, but 4 plus weeks to heal. Rapaport did point out the Pats only dressed 4 CBs for Super Bowl 39 - Randall Gay, Asante Samuel, Hank Poteat, and Earthwind Mooreland. Other than Samuel none of those guys were especially good. Gay was decent and the other guys were scrubs who stepped up for the Pats for short periods of time.

I scratched my head about Bodden yesterday thinking Dowling could be close, but I guess I was wrong. Too bad.

If someone was playing safety at the level Rodney played it and the front 7 was rotating the 2011 equivalents of Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Colvin, Willie, Vrabel, Brushi, Phifer, and Ted Johnson I think we would all be fine with the current CB crew.

Destroyer · Oct 29, 2011

kudzif said:
NFL rule changes have made scrubs galore secondaries defunct. If the 2004 secondary played in today's NFL they would be torched. 2011 NFL you need good cover guys more so than in any period of the NFL.

You could still mug guys in 2004. In today's NFL, you look at a receiver the wrong way and it's an automatic first down.

Rob0729 · Oct 29, 2011

kudzif said:
NFL rule changes have made scrubs galore secondaries defunct. If the 2004 secondary played in today's NFL they would be torched. 2011 NFL you need good cover guys more so than in any period of the NFL.

Actually, the re-emphasis of the 5 yard chuck rule happened in 2004. It was the AFC Championship game the previous year which caused the rules committee to overreact to the way defenders covered receivers. So the rule that most affects they way CBs can cover receivers was already in effect in 2004.

DaBruinz · Oct 29, 2011

mr3putt said:
Ras was a mistake
Can't wait to see his change of direction next year after a tendon tear from his hip

BTW, it would help you tremendously to have your facts correct. Dowling did not tear a tendon from his hip. The tendon tear is in his LEG.

Clearly, facts are an issue with you..

dhamz · Oct 29, 2011

kudzif said:
NFL rule changes have made scrubs galore secondaries defunct. If the 2004 secondary played in today's NFL they would be torched. 2011 NFL you need good cover guys more so than in any period of the NFL.

The current rules have made cover guys impossible to find. There is exactly 1 guy in the NFL who makes an impact week in, week out as a cover guy. In the 2011 NFL you need pass rushers up front and playmakers in the secondary.

Rob0729 · Oct 29, 2011

Destroyer said:
You could still mug guys in 2004. In today's NFL, you look at a receiver the wrong way and it's an automatic first down.

No you couldn't. You got your years wrong. In 2004, it was the start of the re-emphasis of the 5 yard chuck rule and the increase in pass interference calls. There has been no other rule changes since that affected how defenders can cover receivers down the field.

Here is an article from August of 2004 stating how the rule would change how CBs cover:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview04/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1871679

Lansdowne · Oct 29, 2011

Danny said:
'sup guys?

DO NOT WANT

Rob0729 · Oct 29, 2011

dhamz said:
The current rules have made cover guys impossible to find. There is exactly 1 guy in the NFL who makes an impact week in, week out as a cover guy. In the 2011 NFL you need pass rushers up front and playmakers in the secondary.

The rules in 2004 were the same exact ones we have now.

Keyser Söze · Oct 29, 2011

We need Deltha O'Neal.

Bostonian1962 · Oct 29, 2011

randomk1 said:
That's all we have at this point. Faith in Belichicks judgement. Gonna be very interesting tomorrow...especially with the Steelers since they do have pretty respectable receivers.

If you predicted, way back when, that the Patriots would play the Steelers without Merriweather, Sanders, Dowling, and Bodden, pat yourself on the back.

dhamz · Oct 29, 2011

Rob0729 said:
The rules in 2004 were the same exact ones we have now.

Wrong.

The rules regarding hitting QBs and the way DBs can hit WRs are significantly more restrictive than they were then.

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