Official Steelers vs. Pats POST game thread

steelerfaninSf said:

QB playoff Performance rankings (since 2004).

1. Big Ben
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. E Manning
5. P Manning
6. Sanchez
7. Flacco
8. Hasselback
9. Warner
10. Brady

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This is a text book example of trolling!!!

Teh Rapist is a above-average QB on a good team. Just ask Harrison.

BradyManny said:

It's unfortunate that Steeler trolls are derailing what was a really good thread by Patspyscho.

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Who is trolling?

condon84 said:

Brady managed with Patten/Brown winning a SB, and managed to have a good year with Caldwell/Gaffney. You're trying to tell me he wouldn't be successful with Ward and Wallace? Or back when they had Plaxico or Holmes? Plus the running game that would complement his play-action passes?

Roethelisburger getting constantly sacked is mostly on him holding on to the ball. The guy sits there in the pocket thinking he's got time to make a sandwich. Watch some Steeler games, isn't that your home team?

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If Brady had Ward and Wallace, he would be successful. It would not be at the current level. He would have 2006 success.

Ward and Wallace would not be successful in the Pats offense. Neither has the football IQ.

Also, look at the Steelers game in New Orleans last year. They provided the "blueprint" for the Steelers offense. Keep R'berger in the pocket so he has to read the defense.

Brady can read defenses, he's very fluid in the pocket but in not a run around like a Keystone Cop QB.

steelerfaninSf said:

I'm talking about since 2004! You mean the game Brady had to watch from his couch because he choked in the 1st round..

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Believe it or not, but this clown is actually one of the Mensa Steeler fans.

The Steelers only beat the Jets because the Patriots showed what NOT to do the previous week.

In the AFCCG, he was 10-19, a lil over 100 yards and two picks.

Tomlin was prudent to run it down their throats.

QB play was the one thing that actually allowed the Jets to get back into the game.

Any QB but R'berger would have made it a blowout.

Gatekeeper said:

Did you happen to see the Pit - Ten game a few weeks ago? He threw 5 TD's, 4 of which were under ten yards. Going 24/34, he only averaged 6.7 yards per attempt, far below his career average. He showed in that game that he was capable of quick, accurate reads because that was the gameplan due to all of the OL troubles. I'll agree that he gambles a lot like Favre, but that doesn't mean he's mentally lost out there.

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Favre has had a handful of great games but that doesn't make him an elite QB.

Not that it means anything but this video predicts the Steelers to win. I think the Pats will win. Achievement Hunter Predicts: Patriots vs. Steelers - YouTube

Patspsycho said:

Favre has had a handful of great games but that doesn't make him an elite QB.

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If you see my "Brady vs. Ben" thread, you will see that a Favre/Roethlisberger comparison is way off the mark. Ben has a much better career Yards per Attempt and TD to Int ratio than Favre, not to mention more rings already in less than half the years that Favre played. Just because Ben takes chances doesn't mean he is another Favre. (Who I think is the most overrated football player I've ever seen)

Well I see that I certainly summoned up the sports idiot trolls

If you believe Ben is on par with Brady, you, yes YOU are an idiot.

Tom Brady is a top 3 QB in NFL history. Big Ben isn't even top 15 in the NFL today.

steelerfaninSf said:

Name the 15 QBS better than Big Ben..

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I am a Patriots fan living and working in Pittsburgh for the past 13 years. I would argue that Big Ben is a Top-8 QB who plays a high variance game and is in an offense that suits his skill set (improvisation and big vertical routes).

Ahead of him

• Brady
• Rogers
• Brees
• Rivers

Clustered with him/great arguments over lunch

• E. Manning
• M. Ryan
• Vick
• Freeman (he is the mega-binky of the guy across the row from me)

Gatekeeper said:

If you see my "Brady vs. Ben" thread, you will see that a Favre/Roethlisberger comparison is way off the mark. Ben has a much better career Yards per Attempt and TD to Int ratio than Favre, not to mention more rings already in less than half the years that Favre played. Just because Ben takes chances doesn't mean he is another Favre. (Who I think is the most overrated football player I've ever seen)

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Since the overall ranking of a quarterback is in many ways dependent on the makeup of his team (thus affecting his numbers), I think you need to look at the bigger picture, including areas that are in the quarterback's control (such as keeping in shape, studying, and working out). When I look at Ben, I see someone who doesn't really focus in the film room, doesn't hit the weight room, and someone who isn't in shape or focus year around. He always seems to throw a few bricks his first game, every season, as well as getting to camp out of shape.

That, in my definition, isn't an elite quarterback. That's someone who has enough talent and moxie to get by.

I believe that, judging by historical trends (quarterbacks who get by on talent), once his talent starts to erode, it will erode fast.

Patspsycho said:

Since the overall ranking of a quarterback is in many ways dependent on the makeup of his team (thus affecting his numbers), I think you need to look at the bigger picture, including areas that are in the quarterback's control (such as keeping in shape, studying, and working out). When I look at Ben, I see someone who doesn't really focus in the film room, doesn't hit the weight room, and someone who isn't in shape or focus year around. He always seems to throw a few bricks his first game, every season, as well as getting to camp out of shape.

That, in my definition, isn't an elite quarterback. That's someone who has enough talent and moxie to get by.

I believe that, judging by historical trends (quarterbacks who get by on talent), once his talent starts to erode, it will erode fast.

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That seems fair.

I think that Pitt will beat NE. Teams coming off the bye have been awful this season.

The Steelers are due just like Buffalo was and I dont like the Vegas spread. Something is up.

Triumph said:

I think that Pitt will beat NE. Teams coming off the bye have been awful this season.

The Steelers are due just like Buffalo was and I dont like the Vegas spread. Something is up.

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Thats stupid. You can't compare every other team to the Patriots and BB's record off a bye. There is no such thing as being "due" for a win, you earn each win you take.

Bruschi's Breakdown: New England Patriots vs. Pittsburgh Steelers - ESPN Boston

As usual, some great breakdowns:

Brady and the offense have always had success in this matchup. Even when I was playing, the game plan was to spread out a complex defensive team with all its blitzes, and doing that helped simplify the looks. The player to start with is safety Troy Polamalu, because he can do so much in the box when teams are compressed in their formations. That's why you spread the Steelers out, and Polamalu has to show his hand early in terms of where his responsibility is. If he doesn't, and he's disguising, he'll have more distance to cover. I think that's what you'll see. Last season, Brady was 5-of-7 with two touchdowns when throwing the ball more than 15 yards. You have to stretch this defense and challenge it vertically; if you don't, Polamalu won't respect you and he'll stay in that box.

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That has to be one of the big goals for the Patriots, to try to keep the Steelers' defense off balance. Once an offense becomes predictable, that's when the Steelers' defense is at its best. In obvious passing situations, that's when they can bring the pressure. So you try to keep them off balance, not only with the formation selection and personnel groupings, but also play selection. An example would be spreading them out, but running out of that look with BenJarvus Green-Ellis.

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And regarding Ben, which is what I and most people have been saying:

He keeps plays alive longer than the norm, and the Steelers often are at their best when it's "schoolyard" football and Roethlisberger and Hines Ward can improvise. So it's the type of situation where after the initial structure of the play has broken down -- maybe Roethlisberger has avoided a sack or two -- they're making big plays. A big goal of the Patriots' defense this week will be to finish Roethlisberger like they did last season with five sacks. If you're close, and you have a hand on him, you're not necessarily finished. He can keep that play alive.

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Kid~Brady said:

Thats stupid. You can't compare every other team to the Patriots and BB's record off a bye. There is no such thing as being "due" for a win, you earn each win you take.

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Its not stupid at all.

Teams had a shortened camp and a rusty start. The Pats were just getting in rhythm when the bye week hit. I expect lots of mistakes and the team to be sloppy. The last time Pitt beat NE with Brady was in Pittsburgh on Halloween. Everybody acts like this game is already in the win column because Brady always plays great vs the Steelers, but funny things happen. Especially this season.

Who thought that Jax would beat Baltimore?

Pitt is due to beat NE.

Triumph said:

Its not stupid at all.

Teams had a shortened camp and a rusty start. The Pats were just getting in rhythm when the bye week hit. I expect lots of mistakes and the team to be sloppy. The last time Pitt beat NE with Brady was in Pittsburgh on Halloween. Everybody acts like this game is already in the win column because Brady always plays great vs the Steelers, but funny things happen. Especially this season.

Who thought that Jax would beat Baltimore?

Pitt is due to beat NE.

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This is stupiderer.

Triumph said:

Pitt is due to beat NE.

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Jeepers, now there's a fact that's hard to ignore.

patsfaninpittsburgh said:

This is stupiderer.

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Ha Ha

Priceless.