Official Steelers vs. Pats POST game thread

What exactly has Rivers won?I would put Ben ahead of Rivers.Ben never has had a great offensive line.He's a tough guy.Right now Rodgers is the best QB in the league.Brady's right there with him but he needs to start winning playoff games again.

patsfaninpittsburgh said:

Brady and R'berger have one thing in common.

They are on teams that fit their skillsets.

I highly doubt Brady would be successful in Pittsburgh with that line and the dummy receivers.

R'berger could never master the Patriots offense and BB would have him strung up by week 2. I have always wondered what Kevin O'Connell would have been if he was in Pittsburgh.

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Brady managed with Patten/Brown winning a SB, and managed to have a good year with Caldwell/Gaffney. You're trying to tell me he wouldn't be successful with Ward and Wallace? Or back when they had Plaxico or Holmes? Plus the running game that would complement his play-action passes?


Roethelisburger getting constantly sacked is mostly on him holding on to the ball. The guy sits there in the pocket thinking he's got time to make a sandwich. Watch some Steeler games, isn't that your home team?

steelerfaninSf said:

QB playoff Performance rankings (since 2004).

1. Big Ben
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. E Manning
5. P Manning
6. Sanchez
7. Flacco
8. Hasselback
9. Warner
10. Brady

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What are they ranked for? Certainly not QB rating, because Ben is pretty low on that scale.

steelerfaninSf said:

Getting absoultley punked by the jets and the Ravens.

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Just like you guys get absolutely punked by us? (Including playoffs.)

steelerfaninSf said:

Winning and clutch performance. Something Brady can only do in the regular season..

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If you ask for it, you will probably get it...be prepared.

steelerfaninSf said:

I said after spygate! You guys may win again on sunday (you are the regular season kings) But we won't have to worry about you come playoff time, because you'll get knocked of in the 1st round by some team like the Raiders or Chiefs..

Count on it..

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Derp Derp.

condon84 said:

Brady managed with Patten/Brown winning a SB, and managed to have a good year with Caldwell/Gaffney. You're trying to tell me he wouldn't be successful with Ward and Wallace? Or back when they had Plaxico or Holmes? Plus the running game that would complement his play-action passes?

Roethelisburger getting constantly sacked is mostly on him holding on to the ball. The guy sits there in the pocket thinking he's got time to make a sandwich. Watch some Steeler games, isn't that your home team?

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People act like "Ben holds the ball too long" because he's confused and can't find the open guy, or because he doesn't know what he's doing. The truth is Ben purposely holds on to the ball a lot of times because he's taking a risk to make a big play. He passes up a lot of shorter checkdowns waiting for someone downfield to get open, maybe runs around a bit and buys time, often times at the price of his own body getting battered. It may shorten his career but it does make for exciting football!

steelerfaninSf said:

Winning and clutch performance. Something Brady can only do in the regular season..

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He's won three SBs with clutch game winning drives. Had our team in position to win with a game winning TD drive in 07 with less than 2 minutes left.

Those are all in the biggest games of the year. He's had a bad outing the past two playoff games, but then again, no one is perfect. Even Montana had some bad playoff games.

Meanwhile, Roethlisburger went 9 for 21, 123 yards, no TDs and two INTS in his first SB. He was trying to give the game away!

He played great on his second SB win I'll give you that, but what happened last year? He had a chance for a game tying/winning TD and what did he do?

Gatekeeper said:

People act like "Ben holds the ball too long" because he's confused and can't find the open guy, or because he doesn't know what he's doing. The truth is Ben purposely holds on to the ball a lot of times because he's taking a risk to make a big play. He passes up a lot of shorter checkdowns waiting for someone downfield to get open, maybe runs around a bit and buys time, often times at the price of his own body getting battered. It may shorten his career but it does make for exciting football!

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That's what I was saying. Him getting constantly hit is self inflicted. It's not because his OL is as crap as everyone thinks it is.

steelerfaninSf said:

I'm talking about since 2004! You mean the game Brady had to watch from his couch because he choked in the 1st round..

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Shocking to see the troll setting parameters that are explicitly designed to exclude the best postseasons Brady's had.

steelerfaninSf said:

I'm talking about since 2004!

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It wasn't his fault our D couldn't stop the Giants with less than 2 minutes after his clutch TD drive.

He got hurt in 08. In 09, you could tell he was still recovering from that injury and last year, I'll give the Jets their due, they just whooped our butts. You're gonna sit there and tell me you'll actually pick Ben as your QB if you had one game left to win?

steelerfaninSf said:

Winning and clutch performance. Something Brady can only do in the regular season..

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Brady has more game-winning drives (32) 4th quarter comebacks (23) than any other active QB's. Ben doesn't come anywhere close, and before you say that Ben's career is shorter by 4 years, his numbers are still not proportionate, to Brady, to the number of times his team has been down and he has successfully led a comeback.

condon84 said:

That's what I was saying. Him getting constantly hit is self inflicted. It's not because his OL is as crap as everyone thinks it is.

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That may be the case but let's not make them out to be something great. They are below average at best. And they have been since Faneca left. I don't think there's any argument that Brady has had much better protection throughout his career. Some of Ben's antics are daredevil, some are out of necessity.

Gatekeeper said:

People act like "Ben holds the ball too long" because he's confused and can't find the open guy, or because he doesn't know what he's doing. The truth is Ben purposely holds on to the ball a lot of times because he's taking a risk to make a big play. He passes up a lot of shorter checkdowns waiting for someone downfield to get open, maybe runs around a bit and buys time, often times at the price of his own body getting battered. It may shorten his career but it does make for exciting football!

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If you know how to watch for it, you can tell if a QB is checking down or just scrambling around by the way he reads and how he looks downfield. I've seen him do that so many times and there's no method to his madness. He's just a big version of Favre.

How many years did it take the Steelers to win another SB after their steroid juicing ways in the late 70's?

Patspsycho said:

If you know how to watch for it, you can tell if a QB is checking down or just scrambling around by the way he reads and how he looks downfield. I've seen him do that so many times and there's no method to his madness. He's just a big version of Favre.

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Did you happen to see the Pit - Ten game a few weeks ago? He threw 5 TD's, 4 of which were under ten yards. Going 24/34, he only averaged 6.7 yards per attempt, far below his career average. He showed in that game that he was capable of quick, accurate reads because that was the gameplan due to all of the OL troubles. I'll agree that he gambles a lot like Favre, but that doesn't mean he's mentally lost out there.

Brady
Rodgers
Brees

That's the top trio. Everyone else is vying for 4th. I don't see why we get people coming in crying when we point out that their top 6 guy isn't as good as Brady, when it's obvious that they aren't. It's not as if top 6 is an insult.

It's unfortunate that Steeler trolls are derailing what was a really good thread by Patspyscho.

steelerfaninSf said:

QB playoff Performance rankings (since 2004).

1. Big Ben
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. E Manning
5. P Manning
6. Sanchez
7. Flacco
8. Hasselback
9. Warner
10. Brady

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If this isn't the greatest example of cherry-picking stats, then I don't know what is..

Sure, let's make up a list of the best QB's in the postseason starting with AFTER one guy wins 3 Super Bowls, LOL!!!

And oh yeah, we'll put Aaron Rodgers up there at the top too, because he won the SB last yr, thus going unbeaten in the playoffs.

steelerfaninSf said:

No I wouldn't, Brady is a great QB. However I wanted to prove how stupid it is to judge a Qb who gets to the Superbowl on one performance (Superbowl 40). And not the total body of his work.. I hope you realize Bens career QB rating is comparable to Bradys (92.7 to 95.7. And let me refresh you memory, Brady was considered a game manager through his first 2 Superbowls. Just like Ben.

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I'm not sitting here and pretending Ben isn't a great QB because he's made tons of plays in the clutch. He's had bad performances in the clutch as well but everybody has, just like Brady last year. I was responding to your post about Brady only being clutch in the postseason which is really a misleading comment.

Anywho, I hope it's a good game this Sunday and no major injuries.