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Re: That LOSS goes on Bill O'Brien

When Brady is off, he's off thru the game! You can bet, like when he throws short into the turf, It's throughout the game. He was off all day! He screwed the pooch. This team is set up to score offensively because as we all know our D sux. Not all Brady's fault but any means, just a part of a dismal performance by most. Another thing you count on is a game of redemtion the following week! And if not?..:beatingcoming:

Off all day?

Did you miss the 1st 45% of the game where he was up 21-0 with no picks yet?

That said, Brady did his team part to ensure the loss.
 
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When O'Brien threw that INT that was returned for a TD, I threw something at my TV screen. Oh wait, that was Brady.

When O'Brien got burnt by Stevie Johnson for a TD, I screamed. No wait! That was Devin McCourty.

O'Brien really blew it when he got flagged for pass interference in the end zone. Nope. That was Sergio Brown.

To blame the loss on O'Brien is ignorant. The O'Brien haters are quick to blame him for the losses, but never give him credit for the wins. This happened when McDaniels was here (RIP maverick04, at least as a poster) and even happened with Weiss.

There were definitely problems with the play calling at times yesterday, but it wasn't the reason the Pats lost. It was A REASON, but there were many more and many that were bigger reasons.

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Hindsight has amazing vision.

Pats have the best quarterback of all-time at the height of his powers in the most heavy passing league ever. And they are moving through the Bills defense liked a hot knife through butter.

Passing was the ticket to win. Bad breaks/decisions/mental errors by the players were the reason for this loss. It happens.
 
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Brady was the main culprit
 
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The real fault with the play calling came when everybody could see that Brady had become rattled, the Bills got a sniff and we kept throwing the ball rather than running the ball to calm the offense down.

I have no issue with throwing the ball given the Patriots dominated the game yesterday and lost it themselves, the issue is offensive balance, something we don't seem interested in creating.

Ridley looked amazing yesterday and we gave him a handful of carries.
 
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As much as I like to beat up on BOB, he doesn't play defense.

He spotted his team a 21-0 halftime lead. You can't ask for more than that.
 
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It's hard to argue with the "run more with a big lead" premise since that's a strategy that at the very least tires the opposing defense.

My issue with this thread is that I'm not entirely sure just how much BOB is calling the shots. There is much speculation and some off-season reporting that suggests that Brady is now like Manning and pretty much runs the offense from the field. BOB can call whatever plays he wants. Doesn't mean squat when it's audible time.

It works. They win. We're nitpicking.
 
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I disagree.

The coaches are the ones who dictate the game. They put the players in position to win or lose.

We were in comfortable position to Win, and OBrien was calling plays that put us in a position to lose.

Did Obrien allow the Bills to drive 174 yards in 7 snaps in 2:33 in the last 2 drives of the game?

The rest of your post is just wrong.
 
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When Brady is off, he's off thru the game! You can bet, like when he throws short into the turf, It's throughout the game. He was off all day! He screwed the pooch. This team is set up to score offensively because as we all know our D sux. Not all Brady's fault but any means, just a part of a dismal performance by most. Another thing you count on is a game of redemtion the following week! And if not?..:beatingcoming:

He completed 30 passes most of which were perfect throws. He threw for 387 yards. What game were you watching?
 
Break out the pitchforks! Is BOB not getting enough heat for this loss?

I mean seriously, there were many series on offense against the Bills that were wasted by BOB. Is our offensive coordinator getting to cute for his own good? The run play to Edelman, a WR that lost us yardage? Using Woodhead on back to back runs up the gut. How about trying to call stretch runs to BJGE who just doesn't have any lateral speed on 2 straight goal line plays which got stuffed? Or how about calling pass after pass at the end of the 1st half when all we have to do is run down the clock and go for a FG after we had gotten into range?

And can someone explain why BOB pulled Ridley after he ripped off 1st down after 1st down on the ground? Not going to the running game more after amassing a 21 point lead doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, I'm not saying fire the guy... yet. But all those little mistakes and nonsensical plays add up. Hate to say it but, I kind of miss the days of Weiss and even Mcdaniels calling the shots at OC. I guess these are the growing pains for a new OC, but COME ON MAN! Show us a completely different and awesome gameplan against Oakland, because if I see 5 wide empty backfield on 3rd and 1 again, I think I might just have to break something!
 
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21-0 with ~37.5 minutes more of football left to be played. Can't really run out the clock there. Especially with the Bills scoring 30+ points the past two weeks (and the huge second half comeback against Oakland the week before). I think BoB was aggressive with his play calling and kept the pedal to the metal.

I do agree that the offense needs to be more balanced. I think the running game would've helped open up the middle of the field, irrespective of whether the team gained significant yardage on run plays (the same could be said for the last playoff loss).

Recently, it seems like after every loss there are 43 threads the next week about Bill O' Brien.
 
Re: Break out the pitchforks! Is BOB not getting enough heat for this loss?

Mr.NathanDrake has a thread on this topic already...
 
Re: Break out the pitchforks! Is BOB not getting enough heat for this loss?

They were definitely getting a little too cute. Granted it was working for most of the game, and Brady was shredding their D for the most part. But cute works for awhile, and then it can quickly lead to stupid. For the most part, it was stupid not to run BJGE/Ridley more, or to not utilize simple high consistency plays like a screen to Woodhead etc

I mean at the end of the day, I felt like this one is on the coaching staff a little bit. They didn't use the right players on offense for particular plays, and they didn't use the right players on defense. It's actually quite puzzling.

I realize its nice once in awhile to throw a misdirection and send Woodhead up the gut, or to I don't know, send BJGE on a pass play. But it can't be every play either, its just not high consistency football.
 
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What it really comes down to is who do you want on the field.....our offense or defense? Even without the interceptions our drives were not designed to keep the defense on the bench. Running a no huddle / hurry up offense with very few running plays works well for us but with the defense struggling the way it was it was probably not the best gameplan.
 
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the one thing the pats were the best at was makeing in game adjustments that has not been the case the last 3 or 4 years they go into to a game with one set game plan and if that dose not work then it's over, they will get a big lead then have a few fast 3 and out's and see the defense can't stop anybody but they will still go right back out and do the same thing,

they will see that prevent defense is leting the team score to fast but they will keep runing it untill a team ties the game up or they will play man coverage with out the help of a pass rush, Bottom line i think this coaching staff as a whole has to get better at in game adjustments if they want to win a SB this year
 
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Originally Posted by MrNathanDrake
We go up 21-0 quickly thanks to 2 INTs by Kyle Arrington.

We have a comfortable lead going into the 2nd half.

We're on the road, against a good offense, with a pumped up crowd.


Instead of killing the clock and taking the crowd out of it.... we continue to pass as if we were DOWN 21-0 and trying to catch up.

The momentum swung when Barnett slammed Woodhead and then someone hit Welker helmet to helmet a couple plays later. Defenses don't get that brave when they've got 300lbs Offensive Linemen pancaking THEM and blocking them. Woodhead then missed a pass from Brady and the Bills get an INT.

We then continued passing. Theres no doubt in my mind that O'Brien was going to record books, with the Win as an afterthought.

Ridley would be brought in for a couple runs, and did good. But Ridley and the OLine were never allowed to get in a groove, because shortly after we'd be passing the ball again and again.

Then BJGE and Woodhead would cycle in. Edelman was even used on some failed runs. We'd try draw plays far too often. None of the RBs were allowed to get in a rhythm.




Did OBrien not watch last weeks game when lined straight up for run plays and closed the game out with our OLine and BJGE in the 4th??


Our offense became PAINFULLY predictable. The pass to Gronkowski that was Intercepted is a play Ive seen us run numerous times this year already. Ofcourse he got doubled late in the game, because it was obvious Brady would be throwing his way.

The short routes underneath were getting cut off late in the game. There was little to no surprise or unpredictability to our attack.



There's no reason Brady shouldve thrown 4 INTs, because he shouldnt have even been passing so much after we went up 21-0.

Brady also has 40+ passes in each of the first 3 games this year. That's a good way to prematurely end a 34 year olds career. Every time he drops back, he puts more wear and tear on his arm. He takes an unnecessary risk of being hit and injured. Theres absolutely NO REASON he shouldve been slinging the ball around so much on the road when we had such a comfortable lead.

We also have on of the best OLine's to pound the ball with Mankins, Light, Waters, and Solder. Yet OBrien insisted on passing the entire game.


All I can say is it's only week 3, and hopefully the coaching staff notices this and the team learns from it. If not, we're going to fail in the playoffs once again.

I get it was a frustrating loss but some of you guys should read what you wrote in anger before hitting the submit post button, you really think O'brien gives a rats ass about the records books?
Maybe he gets a bonus if Brady sets a record, yeah thats it :cool:
 
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Just like the SB42 loss to the Giants was on McDaniels right? That was the common guy to bash at the time for trying to continually go downfield.

BB can't possibly be to blame. He couldn't have been outschemed by Coughlin and Spags. He couldn't have been the one who failed to adjust. Even though he's the head coach, has the final say, can override whatever the offensive/defensive playcallers are doing, etc.
 
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I think Brady has more of an impact on what ultimately gets called... Maybe BB needs to get it through to both BOB and Brady that running with a lead is imperative. It is a little disconcerting to see this team struggle with closing games out since 2009. Especially because it used to be such a strength for the team. I loved hearing the stats about how we never lost after leading at halftime during the earlier 2000's.
 
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read each of the Quarter reviews....

starting in the 2nd Quarter we start blocking differently ( a halftime adjustment) and have ridley run the ball....and he is averaging like 8 yards a carry at this point

we stop using it and go to an empty backfield, we suck, 4th quarter same thing, we do this new run blocking scheme and we gain 6+ yards a pop, but we desert it to go back to the empty set


WHY????? its not like we DIDN'T make halftime adjustments, its not like they DIDN'T work.....we made them, and they were successful, why not KEEP doing it? the blame for this has to go squarely on BOB, or otherwise whoever is making the calls, b/c reading those 4 segments of the tape review shows that we could have easily won if only we cant doing what worked....so why keep passing it??????

stupid, stupid, stupid
 
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Can somebody explain this new allergy we have against the running game? Is Vollmer's absence that creates our lack of confidence in it? And that's not a knock on Solder..I honestly can't believe how good the kid has been taking over that RT spot.

Our defense might be **** but let's be honest..they did have quite a few stops and did put the offense in position to put that game away...when you have a 3 score lead and you are still running the no huddle then that's the only way you allow the opposing team into the game. Just run the ball,control the clock,slow down the pace of the game.

And Ridley? The guy was running over the Bills in the few carries he had...why not feed the ball to the only guy that has success? Running Danny Woodhead between the tackles makes me wonder what the **** are BB and BOB thinking.

This passing on every down bull**** has got to stop because defenses will adjust.
 
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