Eric Mangini regrets Spygate result

Too little too late piggy pig. Fark off and die now.

JoeSixPat said:

Mangini deserves his share of the blame - but it was Goodell who was the one who decided to feign ignorance of spying in the NFL dating back to George Halas and Lamar Hunt.

Goodell knew that most NFL fans were too stupid to know the NFL allows filming of playcalling (just not from the sidelines) and decided to make himself look good by making Belichick look bad.

That wasn't Mangini's call - that was Goodell's and I lay most of the blame on his lap.

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you know how I feel about Goodell and his role in all this...pretty odd that Mangini admits he had no idea of the damage he would be partly responsible for when Goodell called him into the NFL headquarters the Thursday before that fateful game...it just further accentuates the intentions of one Roger Goodell from the start.

Eric = Benedict Arnold

You are banished for Life.....Don't return ....unless you are willing to stand in front of the Patriot Firing Squad......



He should be called Eric the Loser ....:banned2:

Deus Irae said:

Actions have consequences, Eric. When you call in the Po-Po, the Po-Po are gonna do what the Po-Po do.

It's on you, and "My bad" is not going to bring back that draft pick. Thanks partly to you, we're stuck with the actions of a commissioner who thinks every minor incident is an opportunity to release his inner dictator.

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Exactly. And karma is a biatch. Couple of clowns on the Anti Competition Committee who advised the rookie commissioner about what a heinous act taping defensive signals from a restricted location was are now out of work or really missing their HOF QB... One day Tannenbaum will get his, because he was the driving force behind the po-po involvement since he was the one trying to confiscate the camera as opposed to just insuring the operator left the premisis. I think Eric traded "secrets" of the genius in order to land the HC job he was impatient for, and he never anticipated there would be ramifications including life altering perceptions and consequences.

Eric Mangini. If you're truly sorry as you say you are...

Step 1:

Donate $1,000,000 to the Myra Kraft Giving Back Scholarship Fund with 3 checks. One for $500,000 (Belichick), and two for $250,000 (Mr. Kraft and the Draft Pick).

Step 2:

Explain in detail on ESPN programming exactly what "Spygate" was, and how every team did it - and how it was not nearly as big a deal as it was made out to be.

Step 3:

Call out Roger Goodell by name, and express in strong language just how ridiculous the punishment was.

Get these 3 things done, and the forgiveness discussion can begin.

TommyD4207 said:

Eric Mangini. If you're truly sorry as you say you are...

Step 1:

Donate $1,000,000 to the Myra Kraft Giving Back Scholarship Fund with 3 checks. One for $500,000 (Belichick), and two for $250,000 (Mr. Kraft and the Draft Pick).

Step 2:

Explain in detail on ESPN programming exactly what "Spygate" was, and how every team did it - and how it was not nearly as big a deal as it was made out to be.

Step 3:

Call out Roger Goodell by name, and express in strong language just how ridiculous the punishment was.

Get these 3 things done, and the forgiveness discussion can begin.

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Right, because what we all want is for the topic to be raised and focused on again.
If you got your wish there would be 50 articles, and TV commentaries about how Mangini is just covering for BB is full of crap, and BB is evil.
Let it die. No attention given the topic will end up positive

AndyJohnson said:

Right, because what we all want is for the topic to be raised and focused on again.
If you got your wish there would be 50 articles, and TV commentaries about how Mangini is just covering for BB is full of crap, and BB is evil.
Let it die. No attention given the topic will end up positive

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You think people aren't still talking about it?

DefenseRules said:

F.... Him!!

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That's telling him!!

spygate is an overhyped joke. You'd have to be a complete idiot to think its why we've won 3 SB's, I guess that's why Jest fans cry over it still.

He that studieth revenge keepeth his own wounds green, which otherwise would heal and do well.
John Milton

The entire "Spygate" affair revealed the character of its main protagonists. Mangini stands alone as a man who turned on his mentor to whom "he owed everything" as he himself has acknowledged. That sort of betrayal cuts deep and is irreparable.

By contrast, BB comes across as a man whose character and reputation survived what would have felled a lesser man. The main reason for this is that BB responded forthrightly and truthfully to Goodell once the Commish launched his investigation. That is why the Commish was not surprised when that videographer emerged several months later with his personal copies of videotapes dating back to 2001. No one in the media expected that BB would survive evidence of filming dating back to his early days as Pats coach. Because no one expected that BB himself had disclosed this fully months earlier -- and that the Commish's penalties covered all of BB's activities not just the NYJ game.

The way BB handled himself shows a man with a clear conscience -- not one with a guilty one. It shows a man with the strength to take ownership of what he did.

Crocodile tears not withstanding, Mangini deserves all the approbrium being visited on him -- not least through his own conscience.

Gunnails said:

He that studieth revenge keepeth his own wounds green, which otherwise would heal and do well.
John Milton

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I prefer this Milton quote...

“The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.”

PatsFanStnfrd said:

The entire "Spygate" affair revealed the character of its main protagonists. Mangini stands alone as a man who turned on his mentor to whom "he owed everything" as he himself has acknowledged. That sort of betrayal cuts deep and is irreparable.

By contrast, BB comes across as a man whose character and reputation survived what would have felled a lesser man. The main reason for this is that BB responded forthrightly and truthfully to Goodell once the Commish launched his investigation. That is why the Commish was not surprised when that videographer emerged several months later with his personal copies of videotapes dating back to 2001. No one in the media expected that BB would survive evidence of filming dating back to his early days as Pats coach. Because no one expected that BB himself had disclosed this fully months earlier -- and that the Commish's penalties covered all of BB's activities not just the NYJ game.

The way BB handled himself shows a man with a clear conscience -- not one with a guilty one. It shows a man with the strength to take ownership of what he did.

Crocodile tears not withstanding, Mangini deserves all the approbrium being visited on him -- not least through his own conscience.

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If you are referring to Matt Walsh, he did NOT emerge with personal copies of video tapes. He was given an audience with Goodell and he produced zip, zero, nada, and then slipped back into obscurity.

Unfortunately too many people are under the impression that that WERE tapes of the Rams walkthrough, and the media hasn't made much effort to counter that impression.

Hell, they fostered that impression right up until the kickoff of the SB.

I still don't like him, and hope he rots in football hell. That used to be Detroit, so i'm not sure where he can go right now. Give me a couple weeks to see who really sucks this year.

Bottom line, Goodell, and the media are the ones that really screwed us. Do I wish all these people would die? No, that would be harsh. However, I would be ok with them burning up on a volcanic planet like Anakin Skywalker

I read an article on Mangini earlier this year/late last year and the main point of it was how he had altered his coaching style and approach from NY to Cleveland and how he was hoping that would lead to on-field success and continued employment. One thing that was mentioned about his time coaching the Jets was that he tried to control every detail of running that team. Large or small, Mangini either made, had an opinion on, or was made aware of every decision in that organization.

Based on that, Mangini had to know exactly what was going with the plan to nab the Patriots camera man and turn him in to NFL security. Tannenbaum and others may have embellished the plan, but Mangini would have been aware of it.

As Joker has often pointed out, Mangini met with Goodell during the week before the 2007 season opener. NFL Security was on the scene when Estrella was detained. Based on incidents the year before when the Packers kicked out a NE cameraman and the Patriots kicked out a Jets cameraman, that was not the norm in these situations.

Maybe Mangini is being totally honest when he says he wasn't happy with the end result. Maybe he didn't expect Goodell to come down hard on the Patriots, or for the media to grab their torches and pitchforks, or for people to question the integrity of the league, or for a US Senator to think this was important enough to grandstand about it right before the Super Bowl. Maybe he didn't expect any of those things to happen, but he definitely set things in motion and, apparently, never considered that some of those things could happen.

As far as reconciling with Belichick, it could happen. Belichick and Parcells overcame their differences, after all. In my opinion, the two things that set this situation apart are the tarnish this put on Belichick's reputation and the money involved. Belichick paying a $500K fine may have been the equivalent of me paying a $100 fine, but just having to write a check like that would bother me. I'd be impressed if Belichick can look past all of that and get back on good terms with Mangini.

Joker said:

I prefer this Milton quote...

“The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.”

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Nice, but frankly Milton flies over my head for the most part.

I prefer,,, ,, someone more earthy?

“There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by readin’. The few who learn by observation.
The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.”
― Will Rogers

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Gunnails said:

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Nice, but frankly Milton flies over my head for the most part.

I prefer,,, ,, someone more earthy?

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as do I.....

In the real world, the right thing never happens in the right place and the right time. It is the job of journalists and historians to make it appear that it has.

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Samuel Clemens

What's the beef between the Jets GM and BB?

here's a link, Ninja...explains the whole ridiculous thing

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-thegameface091407

BTW, Tannenbaum was on BB's staff in Cleveland....as I've screamed in the wilderness all these seasons since....smoke?....fire....