Meriweather to be cut or traded speculation (merged many times)

Brady2Welker · Aug 17, 2011

For the record my anti-Meriweather statements are because he vacates zones, can't tackle, doesn't take proper angles. Not because he's black.

Joker · Aug 17, 2011

Instead of making an ad hominem attack, why not name these posters that you find offensive and link their offensive posts with the remarks you consider racial highlighted. Otherwise, you are casting a broad net over the entire site with your accusations.

Only a very disturbed person with an enormous amount of hostility, jealousy,enmity and hatred of this Patriots board would think of making such a post.

supafly · Aug 17, 2011

Armchair Quarterback said:
Of that list some will be resigned, some will be released (sooner rather than later) some will retire, others are just roster filler.

You're assertion that we are guaranteed a 3rd/4th (comp pick in 2013) for Meriweather is inaccurate. Simply signing Larry Fitzgerald (I can hope) would most likely negate the Pats getting a comp pick.

No use deabting it ACQB. I am just giving you my personal opinion that I think that we would receive a comp pick for Meriweather. You are right in saying that it is not 'guarantedd,' although I do not believe that we would sign Larry Fitzgerald (or that he'll even leave ARZ).

As far as the wording goes about 'next yr' etc---I apologize again. You are certainly more 'right' than I am in that regard. I was just trying to explain the thinking, but you are right. It was poor wording, and those are my words not yours.

The bottom line is that BB will do whatever is best for the team, and if that means trade him before Sept, then that's what will happen and we all have to trust that. I personally would rather keep him for this one last yr, but BB forgets more in a week than I will ever know in a lifetime regarding football.

Nice debate, take care.

supafly · Aug 17, 2011

This thread's getting locked down any min now anyway. And rightfully so.

Kontradiction · Aug 17, 2011

NEP4Life said:
You know, I've watched this thread for a while, and the only conclusion I can reach is that the anti-Meriweather sentiment is racial and cultural in nature.

It was the same with Maroney.

There's a certain contingent on this board that accepts black players as long as they "act white." Short hair, doing what massah Bill says, and working the NFL fields are all signs that a black player is "acting white."

But when a player has dreads, or he otherwise tries to be an individual, he's off the plantation. He's "acting black." The usual suspects on this board don their white hoods, and while maintaining the thinnest veneer of non-racialism, they attack the player mercilessly.

I think some of you anti-Meriweather bigots need to take a look in the mirror at the rot in your soul, and really ask yourself if you like what you see.

And that's real talk.

patman12 · Aug 17, 2011

Thread has gone from ridiculous to insane.

Merriweather is what he is, an above average safety that gets himself out of proper position far too often. He admitted as much last year when he said he was trying to be in places that he shouldn't and that he was working on those issues.

SanAngeloState · Aug 17, 2011

I have no problem with meriweather personally, I even like how he pulled a gun on some fool down in florida. I just think he isn't that good. If people think he's all pro, fine trade him and get some value. Darren Sharper would be better back there, not sure if he acts white though.

Deus Irae · Aug 17, 2011

Reiss weighs in

I don't think Meriweather will get cut.

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BillBelichickFan79 · Aug 17, 2011

Meriweather is not "better" than Chung. That's absurd.

They are two different types of safties.

Meriweather is a FS -- a deep coverage safety who is supposed to roam the field, ball hawk, read the QB's eyes and react to make plays.

Chung is a SS -- more of an in the box type of guy who comes up vs the run, blitzes, imposes his will on you, tries to lay the wood on guys over the middle to set a tone. He was misused when he was used in the slot last year against guys like Davone Bess -- I don't know why Bill continued to do it.

Chung is not a "coverage" safety. To say Meriweather is better because he is "better in coverage" is somewhat ignorant.

Rodney Harrison and Ed Reed are both HOF safeties. To say Reed is better than Rodney just because Reed is better in coverage is ignorant. Rodney was a different type of safety -- their skill sets are a bit different.

If you want to compare Rodney to Ronnie Lott and say that Rodney was better because he was in coverage, then that is fair because they were both SS and both had similar jobs/skillsets.

Chung is better at his job than Meriweather is at his -- that's pretty obvious. That's why Meriweather has been plucking the pine from the bench out of his @$$ at times over the past two years.

We are set at SS with Chung -- he is our next "Rodney Harrison type." We need an upgrade at FS. Meriweather is solid, but just doesn't fit what Belichick wants. Meriweather wants to free-lance because he thinks he's Ed Reed. He's not, but he still doesn't realize that.

Deus Irae · Aug 17, 2011

BillBelichickFan79 said:
Meriweather is not "better" than Chung. That's absurd.

They are two different types of safties.

Meriweather is a FS -- a deep coverage safety who is supposed to roam the field, ball hawk, read the QB's eyes and react to make plays.

Chung is a SS -- more of an in the box type of guy who comes up vs the run, blitzes, imposes his will on you, tries to lay the wood on guys over the middle to set a tone. He was misused when he was used in the slot last year against guys like Davone Bess -- I don't know why Bill continued to do it.

Chung is not a "coverage" safety. To say Meriweather is better because he is "better in coverage" is somewhat ignorant.

Rodney Harrison and Ed Reed are both HOF safeties. To say Reed is better than Rodney just because Reed is better in coverage is ignorant. Rodney was a different type of safety -- their skill sets are a bit different.

If you want to compare Rodney to Ronnie Lott and say that Rodney was better because he was in coverage, then that is fair because they were both SS and both had similar jobs/skillsets.

Chung is better at his job than Meriweather is at his -- that's pretty obvious. That's why Meriweather has been plucking the pine from the bench out of his @$$ at times over the past two years.

We are set at SS with Chung -- he is our next "Rodney Harrison type." We need an upgrade at FS. Meriweather is solid, but just doesn't fit what Belichick wants. Meriweather wants to free-lance because he thinks he's Ed Reed. He's not, but he still doesn't realize that.

Meriweather was better than Chung last year, no matter how you slice the apple. Moving forward? Time will tell.

condon84 · Aug 17, 2011

NEP4Life said:
You know, I've watched this thread for a while, and the only conclusion I can reach is that the anti-Meriweather sentiment is racial and cultural in nature.

It was the same with Maroney.

There's a certain contingent on this board that accepts black players as long as they "act white." Short hair, doing what massah Bill says, and working the NFL fields are all signs that a black player is "acting white."

But when a player has dreads, or he otherwise tries to be an individual, he's off the plantation. He's "acting black." The usual suspects on this board don their white hoods, and while maintaining the thinnest veneer of non-racialism, they attack the player mercilessly.

I think some of you anti-Meriweather bigots need to take a look in the mirror at the rot in your soul, and really ask yourself if you like what you see.

And that's real talk.

Racism doesn't exist anymore. We have a black president!

Brady2Welker · Aug 17, 2011

Deus Irae said:
Meriweather was better than Chung last year, no matter how you slice the apple. Moving forward? Time will tell.

Meriweather was in no way better than Chung last year. Meriweather took awful angles, blew coverages, and couldn't tackle to save his life. Chung sucked in coverage, sure, but Meriweather isn't much better and his other detrimental aspects are far worse.

Deus Irae · Aug 17, 2011

Brady2Welker said:
Meriweather was in no way better than Chung last year. Meriweather took awful angles, blew coverages, and couldn't tackle to save his life. Chung sucked in coverage, sure, but Meriweather isn't much better and his other detrimental aspects are far worse.

You're wrong. I don't know how else to put it. It's not something that can be quantified, after all. However, for you to say that Meriweather was in no way better than Chung, while admitting that Meriweather was better in coverage, sort of says it all about your position and that of the Chung fans in general, IMO.

supafly · Aug 17, 2011

Deus Irae said:
You're wrong. I don't know how else to put it.

I agree Deus, and I don't even think it's much of a debate (no disrespect to Brady2Welker).

Again, as I posted yesterday--since Meriweather began starting in 2008 he has almost the same number of turnovers as Polamalu in that time span. (17 for Polamalu vs Meriweather's 16).

Granted he's nowhere near the level of TP, but I thought the big-play tendency was worth noting.

Chung is obviously still learning, and has made plenty of 'younger player like' mistakes himself. Meriweather definitely is our strongest position in regards to safety. But as you said, Moving forward--that can possibly change, as it's obvious also that Chung has a high upside.

JoeSixPat · Aug 17, 2011

My feeling about Merriweather is that he's a bit unstable on the field and off.

I know he was cleared in the recent shooting allegation but I get a sense that Belichick isn't too happy that a guy like Merriweather is hanging out at those parties period.

He's a bad headline waiting to happen - perhaps from something on the field, perhaps something off.

Again - just a gut feeling. And I have a gut feeling that Belichick isn't all that keen about those sort of players either.

Now the question becomes, are we currently better off with him? I'd say with, but it's Belichick's call, not mine.

ausbacker · Aug 17, 2011

supafly said:
I agree Deus, and I don't even think it's much of a debate (no disrespect to Brady2Welker).

Again, as I posted yesterday--since Meriweather began starting in 2008 he has almost the same number of turnovers as Polamalu in that time span. (17 for Polamalu vs Meriweather's 16).

Granted he's nowhere near the level of TP, but I thought the big-play tendency was worth noting.

Chung is obviously still learning, and has made plenty of 'younger player like' mistakes himself. Meriweather definitely is our strongest position in regards to safety. But as you said, Moving forward--that can possibly change, as it's obvious also that Chung has a high upside.

Meriweather has become the modern incarnation of Asante Samuel on the Patriots. Poor this poor that yet makes plays.

DropKickFlutie · Aug 17, 2011

ausbacker said:
Meriweather has become the modern incarnation of Asante Samuel on the Patriots. Poor this poor that yet makes plays.

This is a pretty good analogy.

Both make the flashy plays and look good stats wise individually, but they KILL you in terms of being a fundamental defensive unit. Asante Samuel might get 10 picks a year but he won't play press coverage, will play soft and back on 3rd down, and will gamble a lot. It makes him look good but his defense won't play well in key spots as a unit. Same thing with Meriweather - he might have those nice turnover stats, but fundamentally he doesn't do some basic things well like prevent big plays or tackle or take proper angles.

Simkin · Aug 17, 2011

lol @ racial things against Maroney and Meriweather. Maroney is now out of the league and Brandon will be soon enough. So I guess every team has racial issues

Stephen Jackson has dreads, likes rap and its black and its one of the better leaders of the whole league

NinjaZX6R · Aug 17, 2011

Simkin said:
lol @ racial things against Maroney and Meriweather. Maroney is now out of the league and Brandon will be soon enough. So I guess every team has racial issues

Stephen Jackson has dreads, likes rap and its black and its one of the better leaders of the whole league

Didn't he beat up his gf who was carrying his child?

BradyFTW! · Aug 17, 2011

Between Pats' fans perception of Asante and now Meriweather, I can only conclude that some of you hate interceptions. Yeah, neither player was perfect, and they both have significant holes in their games, but causing turnovers makes up for a fair amount. At the very least, Meriweather is clearly our best safety.

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