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Not overrating the guy. He's no pro-bowler. But neither was Faneca in 2009.

Slauson is the Jets version of Dan Connolly. He's a guy who can start and do a serviceable job, but he's also a guy who you are always trying to upgrade. That's who he is. Do you disagree?

As to Woody, the Jets have a problem there. They just paid Wayne Hunter OVER $3MM/year. That alone tells you the Jets aren't counting on Ducasse for ANOTHER year.

Finally I disagree with AJ with the common wisdom that ANYONE can sign ANYONE and make it work cap wise by essentially cooking the books. I acknowledge that the Jets can significantly lower Sanchez's contract by restructuring. However from what I understand Revis' contract is much more difficult for them to do anything with, UNLESS they are prepared to extend him. Also understand that when these guys "restructure" NONE of them are taking LESS money.

Other Jet cap notes. They did massively luck out with the dead money going away, but they ARE going to have to pay the heafty work out bonuses including D'Brick's $750,000. Thats going to be over a Million in cap space gone. They are, by necessity going to have to play with over half their roster playing for the minimum

Here's the test again. the Jets will AGAIN have a lot more "stars" on their team than the Pats, but the Pats will be more talented and deeper in the bottom half of the roster than the Jets. 2 entirely different outlooks to building a roster. Not saying which way is best. Only time will tell.

I know there are lots of reasons that the Jets running game diminished between 09 and 10. Both sides made reasonable points, IMHO. However as BB has often said. Each year is ALWAYs completely different. If you are basing your assessments on what happened the year before, then you most likely will be wrong. As fans we do it all the time, including myself. Fortunately BB doesn't. Each year you end up with 20% of your roster different, and that by definition changes the chemistry of every team and makes each year unique

Will the Pats rushing game be better this year? will the Jets running game be worse? You can't answer those questions now. You won't know until next Jan. The point I'm trying to make is that we ALL have the right to SPECULATE on what might be. But we SHOULD at least acknowledge that all it IS, is speculation. In too many posts that speculation comes off as sounding as fact.

Or in Doggin and AJ's discussion, even using the same stats both parties came up with different conclusions. That should tell us something about stats. ;)
 
For people wondering how the Jets can afford these players, this should help:

@TheJetsStream Manish Mehta
GM Mike Tannenbaum's creativity on display. #Jets Santonio Holmes will only count $2.45M against 2011 cap. $1M base salary, per source. #nyj
 
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For people wondering how the Jets can afford these players, this should help:

@TheJetsStream Manish Mehta
GM Mike Tannenbaum's creativity on display. #Jets Santonio Holmes will only count $2.45M against 2011 cap. $1M base salary, per source. #nyj

Is that allowed? Is there not a 30% rule or something?
 
So..the Rats pay FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS to a player that was on the field and who produced exactly ZERO yards when the Rats had FOUR TRIES from the one yard line against the banged up, crippled Steeler defense...this is some kind of"Mastermove!!!!"...?

who replaces "Kris Jenkins...BEAST!!!!!!"..?

who replaces Woody??

who will Rex "turn around!!!!!!!" this season, like he turned around Goatston last year?

who cares...they just paid Sanphonyo Holmes 50 million dollars...they MUST be the best.:stars2:

Pouha has been replacing jenkins the past 2 seasons and the jets have one of the top run defenses in the league.

wayne hunter replaces woody who played very well in the playoffs

you need to calm down
 
So Holmes's base salary is at 1mil?
 
Slauson is the Jets version of Dan Connolly. He's a guy who can start and do a serviceable job, but he's also a guy who you are always trying to upgrade. That's who he is. Do you disagree?

Maybe. Dan Connolly is who he is. Slauson still has room to grow. Today, he's a decent starter at LG, one who could certainly be upgraded, but doesn't need to be. Is that who he'll be for his entire career? I don't know.

As to Woody, the Jets have a problem there. They just paid Wayne Hunter OVER $3MM/year. That alone tells you the Jets aren't counting on Ducasse for ANOTHER year.

3M/year is not starting RT money. It's also not backup money. It's somewhere in between. The Jets are, wisely, hedging their bets on Ducasse. If Hunter starts, he's a bargain at RT. If Ducasse starts, then its because he won the job in TC, and the OL will be fine with him there. Either way, I'm not worried that the OL will take a real step back.
 
Pouha has been replacing jenkins the past 2 seasons and the jets have one of the top run defenses in the league.

wayne hunter replaces woody who played very well in the playoffs

you need to calm down

Hes VERYand I mean VERY fired up today.. I think he forgot to take his meds.
 
a 5 year, $50 million contract with $24 million guaranteed that only counts $2.4 million against the cap this year? Not even going to pretend to know how that works.
 
a 5 year, $50 million contract with $24 million guaranteed that only counts $2.4 million against the cap this year? Not even going to pretend to know how that works.

i'm dying to see the structure of this thing. i'm an accountant and can't even venture a guess as to how they have it spread out
 
a 5 year, $50 million contract with $24 million guaranteed that only counts $2.4 million against the cap this year? Not even going to pretend to know how that works.

Teams continue to make a mockery of the cap. That's why the "cash" part of the CBA was so important.
 
shocking, isn't it? they're preping a run a nmandi, not sure it'll work though. Worst case Jets get Edwards and Cromartie back...

I wouldn't say that's the worst case scenario, but as for CB, at least there are options out there. If the niners sign Aso, then they cut Nate Clements. Is Joseph still out there?

As for Edwards, I really don't think the front office cares for him, but if they can get him cheap enough, I guess they can look past his deficiencies. He really doesn't command much in free agency imo. He was lucky to get away without jailtime.
 
It is clear that the Jets are gambling the 2014 cap will grow exponentially. They may be right (well it should grow quite a bit when the new deals kick in, but will it be as big as they think), but if they aren't they are going to have to blow up that team completely.
 
a 5 year, $50 million contract with $24 million guaranteed that only counts $2.4 million against the cap this year? Not even going to pretend to know how that works.

Per reports, and some insight from Jason:

1M Base salary in 2011.

That means 1.4M in prorated signing bonus to get to 2.4M cap hit this year = 7M signing bonus, total (1.4M*5 years)

= 17M in guaranteed salary and or guaranteed roster/option bonus to get to the total 24M guarantee, probably includes the 1M for 2011 = 16M in future guarantees

It's probably structured to allow them to shift some of that cap hit to 2011 if they don't manage to sign the players they want the cap room for (such as with a clause allowing the payment of a guaranteed roster/option bonus in either 2011 or 2012, at the Jets' election)
 
Perspective/Reality Check:

Santonio Holmes - 5'10" 185 lbs. - WR - NYJ - 2010 (12 Games)

52 rec., 746 yds, 6 TD - Remaining Contract 5 yrs/$50mm - $24mm guaranteed.

Deion Branch - 5'9" 193 lbs. - WR - NE - 2010 (11 Games)

48 rec., 706 yds., 5 TD - Remaining Contract: 1 yr/$2.2mm
 
Perspective/Reality Check:

Santonio Holmes - 5'10" 185 lbs. - WR - NYJ - 2010 (12 Games)

52 rec., 746 yds, 6 TD - Remaining Contract 5 yrs/$50mm - $24mm guaranteed.

Deion Branch - 5'9" 193 lbs. - WR - NE - 2010 (11 Games)

48 rec., 706 yds., 5 TD - Remaining Contract: 1 yr/$2.2mm

Holmes only played 12 games last year. Not a really fair comparison. I would rather have Holmes any day, but probably not at what he is getting.
 
Perspective/Reality Check:

Santonio Holmes - 5'10" 185 lbs. - WR - NYJ - 2010 (12 Games)

52 rec., 746 yds, 6 TD - Remaining Contract 5 yrs/$50mm - $24mm guaranteed.

Deion Branch - 5'9" 193 lbs. - WR - NE - 2010 (11 Games)

48 rec., 706 yds., 5 TD - Remaining Contract: 1 yr/$2.2mm

Brady v. Sanchez


/story
 
Holmes only played 12 games last year. Not a really fair comparison. I would rather have Holmes any day, but probably not at what he is getting.

It's not a fair comparison. Because Branch only played 11 games with NE.
 
I kind of feel bad for Edwards. He just tweeted that he doesn't think he'll be a Jet again. And he wanted to stick around so much.

...and some people call BB heartless.
 
I kind of feel bad for Edwards. He just tweeted that he doesn't think he'll be a Jet again. And he wanted to stick around so much.

...and some people call BB heartless.

I agree - he was happy in NY, and a hell of a player for us. I'll be rooting for him wherever he goes, except when it'd hurt the Jets for him to do well.
 
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