Asomugha to JEST a good thing!??!

Deus Irae said:

If you've got Revis and Nnamdi, you've completely shut down the two outside receivers. That allows you to use 9 players to attack the QB and flood the middle of the field.

Of course that changes how the Patriots will have to play them.

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How's that different than before? They didn't help much on Revis or even Cromartie last season. The reason they won the playoff game was b/c the middle of the field was flooded - but whether they have Asomugha or not doesn't change that. We'll still live and die with the weapons on the inside.

jeffbiologist said:

Take off your homer hats for a few minutes and imagine Nnamdi to the Jets. If you are a football purist you gotta love the idea of TB going up against the best secondary in modern history 2-3x a year dontcha?? New York/Boston, Belichick/Ryan, Offense/Defense, so many story lines. There is so much more satisfaction in beating a good team than a crappy team, right? I dont expect everyone to be so bold as to emplore competition, but isnt that what we watch football for to begin with?

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umm, only a jets fan would say that teaming the second best corner in all of football with the best corner in all of football together on the stinking jets would be a good thing.

as a football purist i crap on your idea of a good thing!

goheels22002 said:

Okay. That makes it 9 on 9. You're concerned about....?

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Giving Brady the time to move the offense. It's times like these you hope to have found a gem in either Ridley or Vareeen...hopefull a shifty speed guy that can turn a corner and RUN. That's would loosen defenses up a bit.

BSR said:

Who were they doubling last year, Tate or Branch?

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BradyManny said:

How's that different than before? They didn't help much on Revis or even Cromartie last season. The reason they won the playoff game was b/c the middle of the field was flooded - but whether they have Asomugha or not doesn't change that. We'll still live and die with the weapons on the inside.

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You two are kidding with this, right?

I don't know how anyone can possibly spin this as a good thing. Asomugha is better than Revis.

Deus Irae said:

If you've got Revis and Nnamdi, you've completely shut down the two outside receivers. That allows you to use 9 players to attack the QB and flood the middle of the field.

Of course that changes how the Patriots will have to play them.

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Ahhh....unless there was rule change, 9 guys attacking the QB and 9 guys flooding the field meand 20 guys on defense.

Last time I checked, that meant too many men on the field.

goheels22002 said:

The Jets do have a hell of a defense. But they ought to take it easy with early big signings that will cut down on flexibility in the coming days. I was surprised to learn that Asomugha is 30-years-old. They have $32 million tied up in Revis already. What's the deal with Antonio Cromartie? Don't the Jets have to pay child support for his 10 kids by 12 wives or whatever the hell it is?

If they sign Asomughawawawa, it will be interesting to see who they cut loose to get under the cap. It's risky to tie up so much money with two veteran CBs.

The transactions list is going haywire with good players being released and street free agents being signed to get to 90 players and the floor of the salary cap. This is going to be fun.

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I think if they do sign him, its going to be a matter of how many contracts are restructured more than who is getting cut. They already overpaid for Holmes but it seems like the new CBA is set up nicely for them to keep getting better but 3 years from now it might bite them in the ass.

Deus Irae said:

You two are kidding with this, right?

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Yes and no. It wasn't like those on the outside were exactly drawing a lot of safety help. Can the Jets do more if both corners play on an island the whole game? Sure, but then I think the Patriots faced quite a bit of that last year anyway given who their receivers were. It isn't like this move counteracts what the Patriots do best. However, it does improve the Jets overall.

goheels22002 said:

Yeah, but he's got five big nasty guys (including Logan Mankins, thank God) giving him time to do what he does so well. 2 CBs covering 2 WRs leaves 9 on 9, whatever their positions might be. And we're concerned about....?

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9 on 9. - brady = 9 on 8. - "five big nasty guys" = 9 on 3.

If the Jets rush 3, then each of your "inside players" - say Welker, Gronk and Hernandez, assuming you have no RB in the game - are double covered. If the Jets blitz and send 5 (from odd angles) then you have 4 defenders covering 3 receivers inside the numbers. If they send 6 (meaning someone is coming free) then there's no uncovered WR. No, that won't impact how the Pats play at all.

Brady2Welker said:

I don't know how anyone can possibly spin this as a good thing. Asomugha is better than Revis.

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No he's not.

Revis is the best
Aso is the second best

Lets hope McCourty is in that conversation someday.

BSR said:

Yes and no. It wasn't like those on the outside were exactly drawing a lot of safety help. Can the Jets do more if both corners play on an island the whole game? Sure, but then I think the Patriots faced quite a bit of that last year anyway given who their receivers were. It isn't like this move counteracts what the Patriots do best. However, it does improve the Jets overall.

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Frankly, if they sign Asomugha, it is less about the Pats-Jets match up than the Jets completely taking away the passing game of teams with vastly fewer weapons than the Patriots. But in a Pats game you put Tate and Branch out wide and play inside and short games with the TEs, RBs and Welker and grind away. But two elite corners make long yardage situations complicated and will no doubt create turnover opportunities. But still, how long do corners last in the NFL? Asomugha has lost some tread on his tires.

Doggin94it said:

9 on 9. - brady = 9 on 8. - "five big nasty guys" = 9 on 3.

If the Jets rush 3, then each of your "inside players" - say Welker, Gronk and Hernandez, assuming you have no RB in the game - are double covered. If the Jets blitz and send 5 (from odd angles) then you have 4 defenders covering 3 receivers inside the numbers. If they send 6 (meaning someone is coming free) then there's no uncovered WR. No, that won't impact how the Pats play at all.

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This is all well and good and true, but the bottom line is match-ups. If the Jets get Osa, the Jets win the top WR/DB battle blindfolded, and yup, it allows the Jets to bring the heat....but I would think that the match-up in the Pats favor would be the TE's against the Jets safeties/LB's. I mean, just because everyone is "covered" doesn't mean it's done well, you know?

TriplecHamp said:

I think if they do sign him, its going to be a matter of how many contracts are restructured more than who is getting cut. They already overpaid for Holmes but it seems like the new CBA is set up nicely for them to keep getting better but 3 years from now it might bite them in the ass.

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I laugh at this argument. So, say G-D forbid the Jets win two SB's in the next 3 years, seems worth to me if it means getting "bit in the ass" later.

Deus Irae said:

You two are kidding with this, right?

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Why would I be kidding? The Jets single covered our outside receivers in the playoff game. Revis & Cro vs. Branch & Tate was a huge advantage in their favor. Revis & Asomugha isn't going to change that advantage. We're still nullified on the outside. And we'll still need to rely on our other weapons.

Garbanza said:

This is all well and good and true, but the bottom line is match-ups. If the Jets get Osa, the Jets win the top WR/DB battle blindfolded, and yup, it allows the Jets to bring the heat....but I would think that the match-up in the Pats favor would be the TE's against the Jets safeties/LB's. I mean, just because everyone is "covered" doesn't mean it's done well, you know?

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Against the Pats, the Jets would likely play Revis on Welker, Asomugha on Hernandez, and double cover Branch and Tate on the outside with Wilson and their No. 4 CB getting safety help. (Wilson is better on the boundary, anyway)

Brady2Welker said:

I don't know how anyone can possibly spin this as a good thing. Asomugha is better than Revis.

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And putting them together will tie up more than 20% of the JETS cap on average over the next couple of years (providing Revis doesn't hold out in 2012 because he wants more). Add that to a QB/WR tandem (who statistically have yet to crack the top ten performers at their positions) that takes up close to 20% of the cap (and the QB will have to be extended in 2013 on top of a lot of existing amortization from his accommodation restructure) and you have 60% of the cap left to field the other 49 players on your roster because 4 are tying up 40%. A situation further exacerbated by the disappointing drafts the team has experienced over the last couple of seasons necessitating over reliance in a lot of veteran FA signings and trades you can no longer afford to maintain.

The only team who has made that top heavy formula work in the last decade is the Colts. And for a time they consistently drafted better. And it still only worked once. And while the QB had less to do with that than luck, Sanchez isn't even in his area code value and performance wise.

atomdomb said:

umm, only a jets fan would say that teaming the second best corner in all of football with the best corner in all of football together on the stinking jets would be a good thing.

as a football purist i crap on your idea of a good thing!

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As a football purist I'd love to have ALL the best players on a single team that we play twice a year to truely test metal. Worst case scenario you are 14-2 and HAVE to beat em in the playoffs. How is that different than last year????? That way I get 2 games I like and 14 games for Homers. PS-I like competitive games because with this team it usually means better quality football play. I'm not talking about St Louis vs Seattle or something.

Doggin94it said:

Against the Pats, the Jets would likely play Revis on Welker, Asomugha on Hernandez, and double cover Branch and Tate on the outside with Wilson and their No. 4 CB getting safety help. (Wilson is better on the boundary, anyway)

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We didn't see Revis move around too much last season - mostly just stayed wide. But either way, the approach by the Jets won't differ much between Cromartie and Asomugha unless you count the cost of child support for the children spawned by Cromartie. The Jets took 2 of 3 against the Pats last season and scored 28 in each of the Jets wins. Sadly, it still boils down to pressuring Sanchez and forcing turnovers. It would be nice to see the Pats counter with a bona fide outside pass rushing threat.

Doggin94it said:

Against the Pats, the Jets would likely play Revis on Welker, Asomugha on Hernandez, and double cover Branch and Tate on the outside with Wilson and their No. 4 CB getting safety help. (Wilson is better on the boundary, anyway)

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This scenario leaves them with five "in the box" vs our line/Brady/ and RB.

Look to the last AFCCG and see the Steelers (inferior line) run it down their throat.

Have to do some smash mouth running then! Would that work?