S. Holmes to stay a Jet

AndyJohnson said:

Wayne Hutner is starting, because Ducasse isnt ready YET. Rob Turner, wow, I'm impressed.
More than adequately replaced Fancea? How were the rushing stats from 09 to 10?

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2010 yards per carry: 4.4
2009 yards per carry: 4.5

You're right, the loss of Faneca was obviously devastating to the Jets run game. Why, given that the Jets rushed an average of 33.4 times per game, that .1 yard difference in yards per carry means the Jets gave up an average of 3.34 yards per game by downgrading from Faneca to Slauson. Can you imagine what a juggernaut the Jets offense would have been if they'd had those extra 3 yards of rushing offense to play with? I don't think human minds are capable of comprehending the magnitude of the impact losing Faneca had on the Jets' run game.

You are obviously right, I am obviously wrong. I bow to your superior football knowledge. Carry on.

BradyFTW! said:

Even if the Jets get Aso, it remains to be seen who else they'll get from their outstanding free agents. My guess is that Santonio's cap hit will only be $6-7M this year, which pretty much takes care of their free cap space. Could probably make room for Aso by restructuring Sanchez, signing Harris long term, and using the $3M vet exemption on three of their vets. That still makes for $3M that they can borrow from next year, and there's always the guys that they're a pretty sure bet to cut (Tomlinson, maybe Bryan Thomas if they have to), but that will mostly just help them sign their rookies and maybe go replace Damien Woody. Hopefully this means that we can take a shot at Shaun Ellis. I would really like to see him on the Pats.

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For the record, the $3M vet exemption is the $3M they can borrow. People keep thinking they are two seperate things because the word exemption was used in intially describing the option.

There is an additional $3.65M in money available for keeping exisiting veterans. It comes from the former performance pay plan that rewarded players who outplayed their deals after the season.

They still have to pay their rookies, and as of a couple of days ago they had almost 30 players in their top 51 making minimum (so the increase in that hits them to the tune of $1.5M+. They already ate into their free cap space by resigning someone else to replace Woody.

They can absolutely make however much space they need to sign Nnamdi via restrusture. Any team could. The price you pay now if you do is in fielding the rest of your team and the quality of caliber of those players and depth players. And the price you pay going forward for the restructures is what forces you to face the same dilemma going forward... If the cap goes up exponentially going forward, and you have sufficient cash over cap to spend, your cap manipulations may prove survivable. If not, you won't. And as Dan Snyder is living proof of, they may not pan out either way.

I'm not sure how the Jets are gonna pull off Holmes + Asomugha. They must be using lots of smoke + mirrors to make that cap miracle work. but even if they get those two, I don't see how they'll be able to afford anyone else. If they fill the rest of their roster with vet min guys, I think the lack of depth will bite them when it comes to the playoffs. We'll soon see which principle works better - stock the team with the best 'stars' you can afford, or having the 'best 45' on game day.

MoLewisrocks said:

For the record, the $3M vet exemption is the $3M they can borrow. People keep thinking they are two seperate things because the word exemption was used in intially describing the option.

There is an additional $3.65M in money available for keeping exisiting veterans. It comes from the former performance pay plan that rewarded players who outplayed their deals after the season.

They still have to pay their rookies, and as of a couple of days ago they had almost 30 players in their top 51 making minimum (so the increase in that hits them to the tune of $1.5M+. They already ate into their free cap space by resigning someone else to replace Woody.

They can absolutely make however much space they need to sign Nnamdi via restrusture. Any team could. The price you pay now if you do is in fielding the rest of your team and the quality of caliber of those players and depth players. And the price you pay going forward for the restructures is what forces you to face the same dilemma going forward... If the cap goes up exponentially going forward, and you have sufficient cash over cap to spend, your cap manipulations may prove survivable. If not, you won't. And as Dan Snyder is living proof of, they may not pan out either way.

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Thanks for the clarification, that does make more sense.

MoLewisrocks said:

For the record, the $3M vet exemption is the $3M they can borrow. People keep thinking they are two seperate things because the word exemption was used in intially describing the option.

There is an additional $3.65M in money available for keeping exisiting veterans. It comes from the former performance pay plan that rewarded players who outplayed their deals after the season.

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The latter appears to be a one-time thing; if I understand correctly, it does return in 2012.

Doggin94it said:

2010 yards per carry: 4.4
2009 yards per carry: 4.5

You're right, the loss of Faneca was obviously devastating to the Jets run game. Why, given that the Jets rushed an average of 33.4 times per game, that .1 yard difference in yards per carry means the Jets gave up an average of 3.34 yards per game by downgrading from Faneca to Slauson. Can you imagine what a juggernaut the Jets offense would have been if they'd had those extra 3 yards of rushing offense to play with? I don't think human minds are capable of comprehending the magnitude of the impact losing Faneca had on the Jets' run game.

You are obviously right, I am obviously wrong. I bow to your superior football knowledge. Carry on.

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You're overrating that line, and Faneca was definitely missed.


That said, getting Nnamdi, and finding a decent receiver to play opposite Holmes, would probably be enough to make the Jets the favorites to win the division in the eyes of many.

I hope that SF drives up Nnamdi's price to $16M or so, and that the Jets go crazy and top it. Then let's see what happens to Revis' attitude, and to the rest of their roster. Go Woody!

patsinthesnow said:

Well if thats their main competition then crap.

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Keep in mind that Nmandi went to Cal, and has lots of personal connections with the Bay Area.

That may not be the deciding factor, but it could influence his decision. Plus, moving across the Bay would piss off Big Al.

Doggin94it said:

2010 yards per carry: 4.4
2009 yards per carry: 4.5

You're right, the loss of Faneca was obviously devastating to the Jets run game. Why, given that the Jets rushed an average of 33.4 times per game, that .1 yard difference in yards per carry means the Jets gave up an average of 3.34 yards per game by downgrading from Faneca to Slauson. Can you imagine what a juggernaut the Jets offense would have been if they'd had those extra 3 yards of rushing offense to play with? I don't think human minds are capable of comprehending the magnitude of the impact losing Faneca had on the Jets' run game.

You are obviously right, I am obviously wrong. I bow to your superior football knowledge. Carry on.

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Ok
So declining from 2756 to 2374 is 3 yards? Thanks for the knowledge
First downs dropped from 132 to 118
TDS dropped from 21 to 14
The running game, on a team that wants to run as much as it can dropped by 382 yards, about 24 a game and 14%. Aside from the Bills games with 550 rushing yards, the rushing yards per game dropped by 40 a game.
Not to mention that if you actually watched the Jets play, its blantantly clear they did not run the ball as well in 2010 as in 2009.

Ironically you were being sarcastic in stating you were wrong but it was your only real correct statement.

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Moss may be going to Jets...hopefully he won't be too motivated if that happens

Brady_to_Moss said:

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Moss may be going to Jets

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Good. The more they waste, the weaker they get

Brady_to_Moss said:

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Moss may be going to Jets

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Good news! Let's let Rex think he can rehabilitate Moss. I think he will be sorely mistaken. Moss without the ability to fight for the ball is useless as the Pats found out. If dogged it in a contract year with the Pats, I can't see him rebounding a year later with a far inferior QB.

Deus Irae said:

You're overrating that line, and Faneca was definitely missed.


That said, getting Nnamdi, and finding a decent receiver to play opposite Holmes, would probably be enough to make the Jets the favorites to win the division in the eyes of many.

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I watched every game the Jets played. Faneca (well, 2009 Faneca - 2010 Faneca was useless in Arizona) was missed the first 4 or 5 games of the season. After that, Slauson did more than fine as a replacement.

AndyJohnson said:

Ok
So declining from 2756 to 2374 is 3 yards? Thanks for the knowledge
First downs dropped from 132 to 118
TDS dropped from 21 to 14
The running game, on a team that wants to run as much as it can dropped by 382 yards, about 24 a game and 14%. Aside from the Bills games with 550 rushing yards, the rushing yards per game dropped by 40 a game.
Not to mention that if you actually watched the Jets play, its blantantly clear they did not run the ball as well in 2010 as in 2009.

Ironically you were being sarcastic in stating you were wrong but it was your only real correct statement.

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Andy, I'm sure this will come as a surprise to you, but you do realize that the Jets attempted 73 fewer rushes in 2010 than 2009, right? Which wasn't so much because they were less successful on their average rushing play (that whole .1 yard per carry thing), but because they had a better passing offense (Braylon Edwards for a full season, Santonio Holmes for 12 games, Sanchez in year 2, LT out of the backfield) and were passing more by design.

Meh . . . arguing with you is morally wrong. Continue with your mindlessness.

Doggin94it said:

Andy, I'm sure this will come as a surprise to you, but you do realize that the Jets attempted 73 fewer rushes in 2010 than 2009, right? Which wasn't so much because they were less successful on their average rushing play (that whole .1 yard per carry thing), but because they had a better passing offense (Braylon Edwards for a full season, Santonio Holmes for 12 games, Sanchez in year 2, LT out of the backfield) and were passing more by design.

Meh . . . arguing with you is morally wrong. Continue with your mindlessness.

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You sound as if you don't watch Jet games. The Jets want to run as much as they can. The 0.1 difference is masked by the 7+ypc from your Wildcat QB.
Do you think Shonn Greene felt the blocking was the same?
There were numerous games in 2009 that the Jets grounded out the clock, and numerous in 2010 when they couldn't.
But as long as you want to bury your head in the sand, feel free. The results will prove me right, as your running game declines even further. But no doubt you will find a solitary statistic that favors your argument and say that is all that matters.

Doggin94it said:

I watched every game the Jets played. Faneca (well, 2009 Faneca - 2010 Faneca was useless in Arizona) was missed the first 4 or 5 games of the season. After that, Slauson did more than fine as a replacement.

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And now the Slauson overrating has begun. It's a worn tread.

Brady_to_Moss said:

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Moss may be going to Jets...hopefully he won't be too motivated if that happens

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The notion that Moss only sucked last year because he wasn't trying isn't really fair to him. There was some element of that, sure, but for the most part I think that he just didn't really have anything there, athletically. He was pretty banged up in '09, so I dunno how much of a role injuries played in 2010. I'm curious to see if an offseason to recover will push him further towards his 2009 level of play or if he's on an irreversible decline. Given that I like him as a player, I hope that the former's the case... as long as he doesn't end up with the Jets, anyways.

Either way, he isn't going to return to anything close to 2007 form, no matter what.

So..the Rats pay FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS to a player that was on the field and who produced exactly ZERO yards when the Rats had FOUR TRIES from the one yard line against the banged up, crippled Steeler defense...this is some kind of"Mastermove!!!!"...?

who replaces "Kris Jenkins...BEAST!!!!!!"..?

who replaces Woody??

who will Rex "turn around!!!!!!!" this season, like he turned around Goatston last year?

who cares...they just paid Sanphonyo Holmes 50 million dollars...they MUST be the best.:stars2:

AndyJohnson said:

You sound as if you don't watch Jet games. The Jets want to run as much as they can. The 0.1 difference is masked by the 7+ypc from your Wildcat QB.

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Excellent point. After all, Wildcat rushing yards have nothing to do with the OL.

Also, Brad Smith had a higher YPC in 2009 (11.5 YPC). So I guess when you say that the team YPC was "masked" by the Wildcat QB, you meant to say "artificially lowered", right?

Wait, now you'll come back and tell me that the drop off in Wildcat YPC means the OL was worse, right?

Do you think Shonn Greene felt the blocking was the same?

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You could ask him. Shonn definitely had a worse year than the year before. Of course, he was getting more carries, and rate stats tend to go down as sample sizes go up, but I'm certain a sophisticated fan like you already knew that. Besides, judging the team's run-blocking prowess by the performance of one player (as opposed to overall performance) is completely ridiculous.

When does your bus get you home?

There were numerous games in 2009 that the Jets grounded out the clock, and numerous in 2010 when they couldn't.

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Really? Name one game where the Jets were sitting on a lead, tried to run out the clock, and failed.

But as long as you want to bury your head in the sand, feel free. The results will prove me right, as your running game declines even further.

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Good luck with that. Too bad the statistics disagree with you.

But no doubt you will find a solitary statistic that favors your argument and say that is all that matters.

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Yeah, stupid me, suggesting that average yards per carry over the course of a season is the best way to measure a running game . . .

Deus Irae said:

And now the Slauson overrating has begun. It's a worn tread.

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Not overrating the guy. He's no pro-bowler. But neither was Faneca in 2009.