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The Patriots didn't get knocked out of the playoffs because of the defense. They got knocked out because they couldn't run the ball.

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And now we have 2 huge tackles and 4 RB of different styles. We have 2 big TE's. The game plan Rex had of 7 DB's and daring us to run (which others will copy) should be nullified. We went 14-2 with what we had and now we have even more options

We now have 3 decent CB's, options at the 4th and a possible long term FS. We might have a 1st round QB to learn from the GOAT for 3/4 years

We have 3 rounds to come and FA to address OLB

We have 2 x1s and 2 x2s in a MUCH deeper class next year

Lunatic and Atrocity are words i would use to describe some of the reaction to this draft
 
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Wrong. Describing my statement ~ which only referenced particular acts ~ as declarative of the whole draft is what is dumb.

Perhaps you should pick up a clue before you start calling others' statements "dumb", eh? :rolleyes:


Now you stupid jackass are saying you were "misquoted"? Go Away! Go Far, Far, Far Away!!:eek::eek:
 
I'm starting to wonder if some of you have ever paid attention to how the Pats under BB operate on draft day? The philosophy really hasn't changed... They're gonna draft who they think is the best value player on the board, regardless of position. I wouldn't want it any other way. Don't act like we are a desperate team scraping to regroup. Cunningham and Spikes had very solid rookie campaigns. Mayo is a ****ing baller. Ninkovich proved himself useful. TBC is a solid depth player. We're a FA or two away from having a sick LB group if Cunningham and Spikes continue to develop.

What Bill is addressing is a garbage ball control offense that starts with the offensive line and a very average stable of RBs. This has been a fantastic draft.
 
... we have 2 huge tackles and 4 RB of different styles. We have 2 big TE's. The game plan Rex had of 7 DB's and daring us to run (which others will copy) should be nullified.
Spagnuluo did it against us in the SB when he was the def. coordinator with the Giants.

It's just that Maroney would let himself be tackled by arms. He never could break one to make the attack-brady, sacrifice the run work against them.

Now we have Shane Vereen. I'm excited about the upgrade and infusion of youth and speed at the RB position. We couldn't go into the season with all those old guys, much as I admire Faulk.
 
Does anyone else find it ironic that he's mad despite the huge offensive line we've constructed?

Solder is a grizzly.

Mankins is a grizzly.

Connolly is a grizzly.

Cannon is a grizzly.

Vollmer is a grizzly.

Bill did what you wanted him to do. Wasn't that your MO? Or are you just here to troll and be negative?
 
So ~ in your view ~ I cannot admire the man, yet still find him flawed, and capable of the occasional idiotic move??

That, my friend, is nonsense.

The "In Bill We Trust" club is populated by folks who ~ rather than judge Coach Bill as a mortal ~ simply declare "In Bill We Trust" whenever an insanely stupid move confounds their view of the guy. They abdicate their own judgment, willfully choosing to believe that any given move ~ no matter how clearly and egregiously stupid ~ could not possibly be so.

I choose to live in the real world: Coach Bill is the greatest in all the land, but he does occasionally perform the most unspeakably stupid acts.

Everyone knows it.

Yet so many ~ like you, evidently ~ are incapable of reconciling the brilliant man with the stupid act.

Apparently, you see him as some immortal, perfect being.

I suffer no such delusions.

So, yes: I do not subscribe to the unfathomably vapid notion that Coach Bill is incapable of stupid acts. And I further reserve the right to call him on them, and express my intense displeasure.

But that does in no way mean that I do not greatly admire the man.

And if that concept is beyond your capacities ~ as is clearly the case ~ then that is your failing, not mine.

This is awful. I appreciate that you like to use big words and unique typing styles. That does not wash away that you had an absolute meltdown last night, and I think most of the intelligent people here know why: they didn't take your guys. That's it, right?

I complimented you on your acumen with regards to following the prospects, and I genuinely like most of what you write. But to describe acts as "insanely stupid" and "lunatic" without actually knowing the results of those moves is foolishness. I know that your style is over the top, and you are emotionally attached to the players that you covet. That is fine, it's one of the reasons I enjoy reading your posts. But to attack the intelligence and acumen of people who disagree with your take is foolishness. Are we not entitled to our opinion? When you say you no longer belong to the In Belichick We Trust Club, which means that you believed in what he did until this weekend, what you are essentially saying is that you know better than someone who you acknowledge to be the "best in the land, bar none." THAT IS NOT TRUE. I know you are upset, that is fine. Voice your opinions like an adult. Do not call people names. When people call you names, do not respond in turn. I called you no names, nor degraded or twisted your viewpoint. You say "in your view ~ I cannot admire the man, yet still find him flawed, and capable of the occasional idiotic move??" These are idiotic moves in your opinion. He did not draft a punter in the top ten. He did not pass on selections. To describe a move as "clearly and egregiously stupid" would mean that it would have to be clear to all the level of egregious stupidity involved in the move. How is it clear that taking players who many of us feel can contribute to our favorite team is egregiously stupid? That's clear? Get over yourself man. I like what you contribute, but you are making yourself seem petty, vindictive, and overcompetitive. To say that everyone who agrees with you is stupid, or that I am abdicating my own judgment (as if you would know that I am doing so, that you would know what my judgments are and have past been) is as arrogant as arrogant can be. Take a step back. You called this draft an "atrocity" and said, "THIS is the sort of thing that compelled me to turn in my keys to the In Bill We Trust club." This is the height of arrogance from someone who has not proven himself to know what the people in the front office in Foxboro know.

You, who enjoy saying things like "with all due respect to brother (insert handle here)", who take time to be cheerful and joyous in your posts, react like a spoiled child who did not get what he wanted for his birthday, and you call people names and insult people's intelligence. You put words into people's mouths--I find him an immortal, perfect being? Where did I say that? Saying things are beyond my capacities? You insult the members of the In Bill We Trust Club while acknowledging that you were a member not more than 48 hours before your rant. To hell with that. There's no room for that in intelligent discourse. How can you insult us for not living in the real world while you make up your own names for positions? Can you not see your hypocrisy? Cool it my man, you are not the cosmos.

It is not without precedent for you to get way caught up in excitement, only to backtrack and admit that you got ahead of yourself. For evidence, see the following: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-right-guard-project-super-beast-up-side.html In which you backtrack on what you have said only moments later. I will ask you to stop insulting your fellow members of this board, who tolerate a good deal of things from many posters but will not tolerate being insulted for having a viewpoint that does not mesh with yours. To say things are "clear" is to have a body of evidence attached to an opinion, and we do not yet have the benefit of hindsight to apply this. You have called Belichick a lunatic and declared that you no longer trust him. I can only hope you were drunk when you posted this (I have a sneaking suspicion), otherwise you are coming very close to declaring yourself a superior football mind to he. I assure you, you are not.

I have and will continue to disagree with decisions Belichick has made during his tenure. I do not wear rose-colored glasses. I attempt to figure out why a pick was made, rather than attempt to predict which picks will be made and then run around kicking over other people's sandcastles when the predictions I made do not come to fruition. Or, far worse, insulting people for actually trying to understand what our esteemed front office is attempting to do. The sky is not falling, Off The Grid. The only thing that is falling is your lofty perch as a poster of esteem with every time that you insult, degrade, or name call someone who does not feel like we just pissed in our own cheerios. I ask you to stand down. Your indignation is anything but becoming.
 
Evidently you hadn't heard: We HAVE a Quarter Back.

And he's got about 6-9 more good years left.


Or are you under the impression that a sociopathic and degenerate scum bag like Brett Favre is going to outlast Tom Brady??? :rolleyes:

I seriously doubt Brady is the kind of QB that wishes to play into his 40s. He's more of a Namath-kind of QB than a Unitas-kind of QB. So, maybe 3, 4 more years, from which I guess 2 or 3 will be quality seasons for him.

Still, I don't think this was the moment to pick the successor, and I don't like Mallett. His feat are made of lead, and you need at least some mobility in the pocket like Manning, which he lacks badly. AND he's coming into the NFL with a few concussions.

Next year (Luck if Brees tears his arm, Cousins, Lindley, Pryor, BARKLEY)? Maybe. But not this year. I would've addressed the offensive line more aggressively, picking interior linemen and another tackle (Wisniewski, O'Dowd, Gilbert, Sherrod...) to protect Brady and maybe improve the running game, which is something the Lions, for instance, don't understand.
 
~ WB Jordan Cameron ~ HIDEOUSLY dangerous weapon!!

~ CB Curtis Marsh ~ #1 Corner Potential!!

~ DE Kenrick Ellis ~ Super Beast!!

~ TB Taiwan Jones ~ NIGHTMARE!!!



Honestly, what COULD that lunatic have been THINKING??


Kenrick Ellis??? You mean the guy who is more likely to end up in jail than to see a football field????

OTG - you are severely over-reacting..
 
I find all the prognosticators in this thread (OTG, Criptonite, Keyser Soze, etc) to be pretty laughable. When did you all become the next Ms. Cleo where you can see how these players are going to turn out???

You all need to seriously take a valium and chill out..

While I questioned the Ridley pick initially, I reminded myself that the Pats have their own grading system. So, while the draft pages such as NFLDraftScout and Draftcountdown and Huddlereport are good sources of information, you have to take their rankings with a grain of salt.

Ridley could, very well, end up being the starting RB. Especially if the Pats lose BJGE to free agency. While Ridley is only about .05 to .1 seconds slower than BJGE, Ridley actually has better agility and cutting ability. Ridley's legs are also stronger. The question then becomes whether Ridley can hold onto the ball. And we all know that BB hates it when a player fumbles..

I think that the Mallett pick is a very good one. Mallett has many similar characteristics to Brady. I think that if Mallett comes in with a Chip on his shoulder the way Brady did, he'll excel. He's also got one of the best Mentors and one of the GOATS in Brady and BB. Could Mallett fail? Sure. But I think it's more likely he'll succeed. The degree of that success depends on the Pats and Mallett.
 
Speaking of atrocities....how about this thread?
 
I don't care what Ridley did in the SEC. How much better does he make our team? How much more production do you expect out of him than what we already got out BJGE?

Now we have to accept going into next season with a sorry group of WR's and TBC or Nink as our starting OLB. That is tough to stomach based on the picks we had. I just don't know how BB and the staff can't see, or choose not deal with, our lack of talent in the defensive front seven. All opposing QBs are way too comfortable playing the Pats, and I believe it has very little to do with our DBs. They have zero fear of being pressured. The only player in the front seven that requires a double team is Wilfork, and that is only on running plays. On passing downs/third downs any opposing offense can block every defensive player in our front seven one on one. There is nobody they have to account for. This is how you finish dead freaking last on third down. How has this not been addressed with so many picks in the last few years?

WOW.. We go from having a very solid, deep set of WRs to them being "Sorry"??

Welker - Did an amazing job considering he was coming off ACL/MCL surgery
Branch - He did well, for the most part.
Edelman - By Brady's own admission, Edelman wasn't used enough because of Gronkowski and Hernandez.
Tate - Last year was, basically, his rookie year since he, too, was returning from an ACL injury
Price - He was a rookie. He looked pretty good in the one game he played in.

Gronkowski - 10 TDs in his rookie year.
Hernandez - Played extremely well until his injury..

Now, I agree about TBC. I was very disappointed in his play last year. But, then I remembered that Ty Warren wasn't on the field. The Pats had numerous injuries on the D-line and still managed 36 sacks on the season... That's pretty amazing when you think about it.

The Pats HAVE addressed the 3rd down issue with several picks over the last few years. Spikes, Cunningham, McCourty, Mayo, Chung. Instead of thinking it will be magically fixed over-night, how about you realize that it takes time.

Also, why not let us know how the 3rd down defense did in the 2nd half of the season?
 
Does anyone else find it ironic that he's mad despite the huge offensive line we've constructed?

Solder is a grizzly.

Mankins is a grizzly.

Connolly is a grizzly. <-----------This is a joke, right

Cannon is a grizzly.

Vollmer is a grizzly.

Bill did what you wanted him to do. Wasn't that your MO? Or are you just here to troll and be negative?

Sorry, Connolly isn't a Grizzly. He's ok in run blocking, but below average in pass blocking. Cannon is likely to replace him.

Koppen is still an issue, though having someone on either side who is mean and tough in the run, should help Koppen, in both parts of the game.
 
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Next year (Luck if Brees tears his arm, Cousins, Lindley, Pryor, BARKLEY)? Maybe. But not this year. I would've addressed the offensive line more aggressively, picking interior linemen and another tackle (Wisniewski, O'Dowd, Gilbert, Sherrod...) to rotect Brady and maybe improve the running game, which is something the Lions, for instance, don't understand.

If the Patriots waited till next year, they probably would have to spend a 2nd round pick, and not have gotten as good a prospect as Mallet. This was a value pick,
 
I seriously doubt Brady is the kind of QB that wishes to play into his 40s. He's more of a Namath-kind of QB than a Unitas-kind of QB. So, maybe 3, 4 more years, from which I guess 2 or 3 will be quality seasons for him.

Brady was quoted as saying he wants to play another 10 years.. Whether or not his body or Gisele allow it is another story.

Still, I don't think this was the moment to pick the successor, and I don't like Mallett. His feat are made of lead, and you need at least some mobility in the pocket like Manning, which he lacks badly. AND he's coming into the NFL with a few concussions.

You're evaluation of Mallet lacking pocket mobility is contradictory to many of the scouting reports that say he's got decent pocket mobility.

Next year (Luck if Brees tears his arm, Cousins, Lindley, Pryor, BARKLEY)? Maybe. But not this year. I would've addressed the offensive line more aggressively, picking interior linemen and another tackle (Wisniewski, O'Dowd, Gilbert, Sherrod...) to protect Brady and maybe improve the running game, which is something the Lions, for instance, don't understand.

This draft was know to be weak at Center and Guard. The Pats added an OT in Solder and an OT/OG in Cannon. While I would have liked to have seen Wisniewski, the others were a "MEH" in my book.

Also, there is still free agency and there are several good guards available. Harvey Dahl is one of them. I'd love to see the Pats add him while keeping Mankins. But we've still got a long way to go before FA starts.. And the whole landscape of the NFL could change if players with 3 years of experience are given UFA status instead of RFA status.
 
This was an off-by-one draft. If some guy like Jabaal Sheard had fallen to the Patriots I think that we would all be pretty happy. And for that one whiff we are ripping each others guts out?

I think that the Patriots definitely screwed up either by trading out of 28 or not trading up in the second for someone like Sheard. They got too cute with the trades and did not aggressively go after the guys they wanted. It worked last year with McCourty but not this year.
 
Closing this thread. There are just to many post here that violate the civility code that we want on this site.

I'm just not wasting my Sunday going through this entire thread to hand out infractions and warning.
 
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