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Sporting News: Patriots as only 1 of 2 teams given an A+ grade in the draft


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Especially when you read through the Grades and justifications for other teams. To be fair, it's rubbish journalism that reacts on public opinion.

The medium has become the message..
 
Its nice to read some positive feedback, but as positive as it is sounds its just more baseless guesswork.

Belichick has a very good record at finding guys who fit his system and he's also pretty good at gameday adjustments and playcalling.

Looking forward to watching this group progress into contributors.
 
Tough to argue that the Pats deserve an A+ and the Saints also deserve a grade as high as B.

I don't see the pats draft remotely close to an A+....Now the Saints on the other hand ACED the draft....Jordan? Ingram?......A+ Saints are going to be scary good with the additions they made......
 
I don't get the need people have to either completely trounce or defend this draft or what the Patriots do in general. Three years from now I highly doubt we'll be comparing this class to the 74 Steelers draft class, if we are happy days, and I highly doubt we'll be comparing it to a Matt Millen draft either.

All the name calling and pointless debates on both sides is spam at it's worst. I think it makes much more sense to break it down pick by pick and discuss the merits of the players involved. Even if you want to breakdown the big picture and say the front 7 wasn't addressed so I can never be happy with this draft you can still acknowledge that they gathered a lot of good talent.

Personally I look at every pick and think they got solid value and with Mallet and Cannon picks they took an associated risk at the correct time because of the enormous upside. These two picks could be perennial pro bowlers and they could be out of the league in two years.


I also look at the lack of anybody to push in the front seven and I still cannot believe it. Obviously BB feels the front has the players in place to make that jump to the next level with Ty Warren returning and all the returning players in their 2nd-4th seasons improving. I question if he's right and hope he is. I think this has become a passing league and building a team with the 2003-4 blue print is questionable in my eyes. The Patriots play more in passing sub packages than they do in base so why not a big gun at end or outside to bring the heat and make the offensive account for them?

Bill obviously thought getting younger and more talented on the O-Line and in the backfield was more important. It's hard not to see the merit in this as the O-line has been a smoke and mirrors job by Dante and Brady for a while now. The running game especially has been nearly all about deception. It would be nice to see them put a hat on a hat and crush the other team's D-Line and run it up their ass. I still don't know what the plan at center is to accomplish this as Koppen is a major liability when trying to run the ball. He's still effective in the passing game and vital in the line calls so it's a tough one.

Why does it have to be sports radio hyperbole with no middle ground?

You are right to some degree.....what they do go back and dig up...and rub in your faces of course is the All Pro's that teams "passed up on".....like if I hear one more time how BB passed on Clay Matthews last year and he turned out to be the EXACT PLAYER we are looking for now....I'm going to puke. Yeah....the guy is a beast and he would have been incredible for the Pats.....but lets move on! I am guessing same thing will happen with Ingram and we will have to have that dragged out every year too!!!!
 
I love how we have all the experts after a 14-2 season.
 
A good draft grade is nice, but I don't really care what others think!

If it pans out, that is more important!

I am sure most journalists thought TFB was a strange pick in 2000, and even though I am a Patriots fan, it played out pretty well :rolleyes:
 
FWIW, just saw Charley Casserly on NFL Network say that the Patriots had the best draft in the league. Said their picks were "solid" and they got two high picks for next season.
 
Actually I think their grades are more spot on.......I would have liked to see them give Pats a little credit for Mallett and the RB picks but they are right,......we did NOTHING to address the terrible pass rush/pressure which appears to be a priority!
That's not correct. The Patriots improved pass coverage and have returning or signed players to the front 7 rotation. Plenty has been done to improve the pass rush just not through the sexy notion that you wanted.
 
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Actually I think their grades are more spot on.......I would have liked to see them give Pats a little credit for Mallett and the RB picks but they are right,......we did NOTHING to address the terrible pass rush/pressure which appears to be a priority!


We had the 2nd highest number of sacks in the second half of the season with most of our DL injured.

The solution for our terrible pass rush is healthy DL, and the maturing of our current LB corp.

The solution for our 3rd down ststs is a D where all the players understand their roles and read the O the same way, again a matter of experience with such a young D playing this D.
 
I don't know, the other guy having a baseball bat would seem to warrant fairly extreme force -- and a broken nose and jaw could easily be 2 punches from a guy Ellis's size.


I posted this on a Jets site and I think it is an appropriate response.

Legally, that isn't self defense per sea. There are a number of conditions that Ellis must have adhered to to make it self defense. These things are:

1.) He was in imminent danger of body harm or death (this means if he didn't use force, there was no other probable outcome than him being severely physically injured or killed). This is probably the easiest one for him to prove.
2.) The second the other guy no longer became an imment threat, he stopped his attack. If Ellis punched this guy after he dropped his bat or he fell to the ground, it is no longer self defense and it becomes assault. You cannot use excessive force in self defense only enough to get yourself out of danger. Unless he broke the guy's nose and jaw in one hit or the guy somehow continured to hold the bat in a threatening manner after the first hit, it will probably be considered excessive force and negate self defense.
3.) He couldn't fulfill his duty of retreat. In other words, he exasted all other options rather than use of force. So if he could have ran away to avoid the attack or he provoked the attack, he cannot claim self defense. Some states have Castle Doctrines that allow a person to not fullfil the duty of retreat in one's home or place of business, but I don't think Virginia is one of them and I don't think the incident occured in Ellis' home.

Obviously, the burden of proof is on the prosecutor, but If someone swings at you with a bat you cannot just pummel the guy. You can only use force to separate the guy from the bat or restrain him. Use of excess force in self defense is not self defense.

So I think if he broke the guy's nose or jaw with the first punch, he probably was already no longer an imminent threat by the second punch. Also, if Ellis could have gotten away without injury before the first punch, he may not have a self defense claim at all.
 
FWIW, just saw Charley Casserly on NFL Network say that the Patriots had the best draft in the league. Said their picks were "solid" and they got two high picks for next season.



Another professional (unlike the amateurs/journalist like Kiper and McShay) Pat Kirwin thought the Pats had a great first 3 rounds This was written before the Cannon pick).

The New England Patriots' five picks through the first three rounds has produced a starting left tackle (Nate Solder), two running backs who will compete for playing time and a role in the offense (Shane Vereen and Stevan Ridley), a potential starting cornerback (Ras-I Dowling) and the quarterback with the best arm in the draft (Ryan Mallett). Consider the fact that Bill Belichick has stockpiled two first-round and two second-round picks next year, and the Patriots lead the way.
 
We had the 2nd highest number of sacks in the second half of the season with most of our DL injured.

The solution for our terrible pass rush is healthy DL, and the maturing of our current LB corp.

The solution for our 3rd down ststs is a D where all the players understand their roles and read the O the same way, again a matter of experience with such a young D playing this D.

Yup. Patriots have spent a lot of picks on D the last few years and those guys are maturing. Remember, even the Parcells picks of the 90s (McGinest, Law, Bruschi, Ted J) took 5-6 years to actually win a Super Bowl. And the injuries to the D line last year were insane.

I've seen lots of numbers about the Pats second half of the '10 season vs first (such as being second in sacks the second half of the season). Has anyone seen any 3rd down numbers for last 8 games vs first eight games?
 
let's hope this is right
 
Most of these draft 'gurus' want a team to pick the highest ranked player (by them) on the board at a team's position of need (determined by them). It's a big stretch for me to believe that a Kiper knows who the best players are to say nothing of whether they know what the Pats need.
 
I fail to see how this draft has done anything but tread water.

Solder over Light is a wash at best for the first year. Anyone else feeling good about having a rookie left tackle protecting the blind side from Rex Ryan’s and **** Labeau's defensive schemes? Say what you want about Light, he has seen it all (remember tackles, unlike guards, have to make line calls, they have to read the defense and tell the TE and the G who they have to block on each play), and a rookie, any rookie, regardless of how gifted he is, is going to get fooled every now and again, and every time that happens, the franchise is in danger.

The Pats got good value for the 28th pick, but they will be lucky if that pick is any lower than 28 again next year. This was not a spectacular draft in terms of depth, so I could see this trade (It would have made more sense IF they had address the pass rush first (or at all).

Another CB? Seriously a first or second round pick, what is it five years in a row? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut (McCourtey) now and then. I don't know why they did not trade this pick, move down a few slots and pick up another pick. Dowling wasn't going anywhere.

I like Vareen; I think he is an excellent fit for the Pats system. I think he too could have gone a little lower, but let's face it; he is a back-up/complimentary player.

A second RB, Com'on man.

Mallett?, again the pick makes sense and I would have no problems with it, aside from the fact that this pick could have easily been packaged with #17 to move up a few spots and get Quinn! (I understand that a couple of teams had taken Quinn off their draft boards due to the brain tumor he had in high school), but that is alot of talent to pass up, only time will tell what kind of player he will be. Of course he is going to a 4-3 team, so that might make the comparisons a little difficult.
The beauty of the Mallett pick is not only did the Pats get a steal, they also kept him away from both the Dolphins and the Bills, who are again, without a franchise QB!

Still was anyone hoping that the Pats would turn picks 17, 28, 33, and 60 into a rookie LT, the Saints 2012 first rd. pick, another CB, a third down back-up RB, another back-up RB, and a 3rd round Matt Cassel.

Taking Mr. Burns for his 2nd round pick in 2012, was a good move, although, it did put the Pats on the sidelines for an entire round of the draft.

I like the Cannon pick, he is a steal in the 5th round and hopefully he will be OK, and will slide into Neal's job.

But just when I thought BB had regained his senses:

Lee Smith, TE Marshal?? Is he a TE, are they going to fatten him up and make him a lineman? Is he the new long snapper? Either way, I'm pretty sure he was not on anyone else's draft board for the 5th (or 6th) round.

I liked the Markell Carter pick, hell at least there is a chance that TBC won't start at OLB.

Then ANOTHER CB? I understand that it is the 7th round, so I really don't care, from what I read, this is a Special teams flyer on an athlete.

All and all, wholey unimpressed by the draft, and considering the ammo that they had going in, they AT BEST, have replaced Light, Neal (which was needed and expected), Sammy Morris, Fred Taylor, and Darius Butler, were they the problem? Were they the reason that Dirty Sanchez beat the Pats (twice) last year?

This team is no better today, than it was three days ago, they still have TBC on the edge! They still do not have a pass rush, and I don't care how many CBs you have, the most they can cover anybody is about 4 seconds, after that, the WR is going to get open.
 
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Actually I think their grades are more spot on.......I would have liked to see them give Pats a little credit for Mallett and the RB picks but they are right,......we did NOTHING to address the terrible pass rush/pressure which appears to be a priority!

Is the pass rush truly terrible??? The Pats were 10th in the league with 36 sacks last year. They also had 25 interceptions. Not sure how many QB pressures they had..

But someone else mentioned in another thread numerous positives about the team during the 2nd half of the season.
 
I fail to see how this draft has done anything but tread water.

Solder over Light is a wash at best for the first year. Anyone else feeling good about having a rookie left tackle protecting the blind side from Rex Ryan’s and **** Labeau's defensive schemes? Say what you want about Light, he has seen it all (remember tackles, unlike guards, have to make line calls, they have to read the defense and tell the TE and the G who they have to block on each play), and a rookie, any rookie, regardless of how gifted he is, is going to get fooled every now and again, and every time that happens, the franchise is in danger.

The Pats got good value for the 28th pick, but they will be lucky if that pick is any lower than 28 again next year. This was not a spectacular draft in terms of depth, so I could see this trade (It would have made more sense IF they had address the pass rush first (or at all).

Another CB? Seriously a first or second round pick, what is it five years in a row? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut (McCourtey) now and then. I don't know why they did not trade this pick, move down a few slots and pick up another pick. Dowling wasn't going anywhere.

I like Vareen; I think he is an excellent fit for the Pats system. I think he too could have gone a little lower, but let's face it; he is a back-up/complimentary player.

A second RB, Com'on man.

Mallett?, again the pick makes sense and I would have no problems with it, aside from the fact that this pick could have easily been packaged with #17 to move up a few spots and get Quinn! (I understand that a couple of teams had taken Quinn off their draft boards due to the brain tumor he had in high school), but that is alot of talent to pass up, only time will tell what kind of player he will be. Of course he is going to a 4-3 team, so that might make the comparisons a little difficult.
The beauty of the Mallett pick is not only did the Pats get a steal, they also kept him away from both the Dolphins and the Bills, who are again, without a franchise QB!

Still was anyone hoping that the Pats would turn picks 17, 28, 33, and 60 into a rookie LT, the Saints 2012 first rd. pick, another CB, a third down back-up RB, another back-up RB, and a 3rd round Matt Cassel.

Taking Mr. Burns for his 2nd round pick in 2012, was a good move, although, it did put the Pats on the sidelines for an entire round of the draft.

I like the Cannon pick, he is a steal in the 5th round and hopefully he will be OK, and will slide into Neal's job.

But just when I thought BB had regained his senses:

Lee Smith, TE Marshal?? Is he a TE, are they going to fatten him up and make him a lineman? Is he the new long snapper? Either way, I'm pretty sure he was not on anyone else's draft board for the 5th (or 6th) round.

I liked the Markell Carter pick, hell at least there is a chance that TBC won't start at OLB.

Then ANOTHER CB? I understand that it is the 7th round, so I really don't care, from what I read, this is a Special teams flyer on an athlete.

All and all, wholey unimpressed by the draft, and considering the ammo that they had going in, they AT BEST, have replaced Light, Neal (which was needed and expected), Sammy Morris, Fred Taylor, and Darius Butler, were they the problem? Were they the reason that Dirty Sanchez beat the Pats (twice) last year?

This team is no better today, than it was three days ago, they still have TBC on the edge! They still do not have a pass rush, and I don't care how many CBs you have, the most they can cover anybody is about 4 seconds, after that, the WR is going to get open.


FTW - You need to do some more research.

1) Dowling played SAFETY before moving to CB at Virginia. Most people have him moving back to safety for the Pats next year. Could the Pats have traded down? Sure. But there is no guarantee he'd have been there for the Pats. Especially since the Bills turned around and took Aaron Williams right after the Pats.

2) The Pats RB situation, prior to the draft, was Woodhead and Clayton under contract and BJGE under a 2nd round tender (but possilby a UFA depending on what happens with the CBA). So the Pats needed to add 2 RBs. At first, I questioned it also. But then I read up more on Ridley and realized that he could be a very good short-yardage back for the Pats. Heck, he could actually develop into a bonifide starting RB similar to Corey Dillon. And that is something a lot of people have been whining for.

3) Quinn - clearly the Pats didn't think that the cost to move up to get Quinn was worth it. OR, and this is something people forget, The Rams wanted Quinn more than they wanted extra picks. That does happen.

4) Lee Smith - TE - He's a work in progress, but supposedly a tremendous blocker who actually had very good hands. The down side of him is that he's slow. He doesn't have a lot of explosion. BTW, are you really complaining about a 6th round pick???


Now, I suggest you go back and do some more research because this idea that the Pats don't have a pass rush is simply silly. How does a team get 36 sacks if they don't have a pass rush?? How do they get 25 interceptions if they don't have a pass rush??
 
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