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Look, the bottom line is that we want Mankin's to be on the team going forward, but you simply cannot have a guard be one of the highest paid players on your team. That position does not warrant such a lofty salary. There are other positions that can affect the game more than a guard and that is where you spend your money (CB, Pass Rush, DL, LT, QB obviously) It must be a position that can create a game changing play on any given play.

Mankins is looking for a salary in the 8-10 million dollar a year range.

He is clearly one of the best guards in the league, but guard is just not one of the more important positions on the field. All positions are important but you now what I am saying. There are only so many guys you can pay a premium for and you better reserve those spots to the highest impact positions.

Mankins is the equivalent of the "best burger in town", you don't pay a "Rib Eye" price for the best burger in town. No matter how good that burger is you would be crazy to pay more than even $10 for it.

Anyone who's watched teams defeat the Patriots by caving Koppen and the Neal replacement du jour should know better than to make your "best burger" claim.

Furthermore, I look forward to the day when people realize that underpaying for some positions (i.e. LT) allows you to pay actual fair market value, or even to overpay, at other positions.
 
You know, I love Logan and what he brings. Anyone who claims there was no difference in the offensive line once he came back is lying, blind or both. With that said, there comes a time when the whining, threatening to leave act wears thin for me. That time is here. I find it curious that when we all refect upon the play-off loss to the Jets, we cite Crumpler's dropped TD pass, Chung's bungled snap and Brady's over-all ineffectiveness. Anyone else remember Logan's stupid, unsportsmanlike conduct penalty which halted a potential scoring drive just before the end of the first half?
 
If Logan is gone, I think you can call the Pats O-line a mess.
 
Wow! Hm... this really makes me more confident in the conjecture that the Pats offensive line will begin to be addressed on day one of the Draft.
 
Left guards grow on trees. Pay mankins 10M or pay tambi hali that much, have a real pass rush and plug in a guy who can do 90% of what mankins can do?

Bye mankins.
 
Left guards grow on trees. Pay mankins 10M or pay tambi hali that much, have a real pass rush and plug in a guy who can do 90% of what mankins can do?

Bye mankins.
Signing Hali is the only thing that would make me forgive letting Mankins go.
 
Can you blame him? We should have signed him last year when we had the chance.
 
I'll be killed for saying it, but neither of the above will happen because the pats are cheap, despite what others here say.

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You know, I love Logan and what he brings. Anyone who claims there was no difference in the offensive line once he came back is lying, blind or both. With that said, there comes a time when the whining, threatening to leave act wears thin for me. That time is here. I find it curious that when we all refect upon the play-off loss to the Jets, we cite Crumpler's dropped TD pass, Chung's bungled snap and Brady's over-all ineffectiveness. Anyone else remember Logan's stupid, unsportsmanlike conduct penalty which halted a potential scoring drive just before the end of the first half?

Yea but, did you see him wrestle the fumble away from 3-4 jets? The guy plays angry, linemen as good as him are few and far between. We need more of players like him not less. Pats have 3rd lowest payroll in the league. They HAVE to bring him back.
 
Left guards grow on trees. Pay mankins 10M or pay tambi hali that much, have a real pass rush and plug in a guy who can do 90% of what mankins can do?

Bye mankins.

Hali won't be a free agent unless he flat out refuses to re-sign with the chiefs. Chiefs have lowest payroll in the league by 10 mil bucks. I'd be very surprised if they don't tag him then sign him to a long term deal. Or at very least trade him.
 
Here is what it comes down to.

When a guard makes the best play he can make he opens a hole for a running back for an 8 yard gain that continues a drive.

When a OLB/DE makes the best play he can make he sacks the QB for a 10 yard loss with a strip sack that changes field position or possession.

When a CB makes the best play he can make he makes a pick 6 or conversely gives up 6 on a 50 yard pass for a TD.

When a LT does his job he prevents the other team OLB/DE from making a sack with a strip sack that is a game changing play.

The point is that guard play usually does not involve a direct big game changing play, that games between equally matched teams usually comes down to.

You have watched the last 6 years of the Patriots being a couple of plays away from winning 2 or 3 more Superbowls, and I ask you, did guard play have anything to do with making those key 4-5 plays a game that made the difference ?

No. If anything the (game we shall not speak of) against the Giants where was Mankins against Tuck, Strahan and Osi (I am not sure that Mankins is all that great in pass protection) ?

But a reciever that can catch one more ball would have (Reche Caldwell a number one reciever ?), a pash rush from the Patriots Defense would have (this has been the achilles heal the last 6 years and the number one need of the team), just making a couple of simple plays really here and there would have.

What this team has lacked the last 5-6 years is play making and players with the intagiables to make them. They can play with anybody and are obviously one of the best teams in the league, but the problem the last 6 years is not making (or making) 3-5 plays a game and the other team does, and that is it.

I don't see how spending 10 Million a year on one of the positions where it is least likely to make a game changing play makes any sense.
 
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It is clear that the last several SB teams paid their OGs top of the league money. No top 5 cheap money for them. So, we need to do the same and pay Mankins the same as those proven winners and not waste valuable cap money on All-Pro OLBs, CBs and other insignificant positions. Example... repeat SB Champs New Orleans.

Top three? First?

Don't forget the additional cost to get Mankins' jock back from Justin Tuck.
 
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I'll be killed for saying it, but neither of the above will happen because the pats are cheap, despite what others here say.

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Highest payroll in the league.

Patriots fans with no awareness of what a salary cap is should probably root for another team.
 
This team is all about value..

I say sign Mankins, light and sure up that offensive line.. Spend the money now and also bring in some FA..

unless we can get some big time impact players again... i say trade some of our early picks for picks in 2012 and 2013.. I know I hate watching the draft and watching bb trade down trde down and trade down... but this year above all other years I agree with that approach..

I think when the rookie salary cap goes in place it will shift where the money is spent... there will be more room to spend it on proven talents like makins and Light and signing them to day for 3 or 4 years at todays rates seems like good business.. and the picks we get for after there is a rookie cap will cost us much less??

with a guy like Mankins... he is a KNOWN comodity.. there is NO mystery surrounding this guy... you know exactly what you are getting.. I just dont see any logic in letting him go or trading him away..

this team cant afford to lose veteran leaders like those guys

and i am pretty happy with all of our new and young players... all we need to do is tweak it a bit...
 
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I don't know why people are worrying about the situation, Wilfork went through almost the exact same thing minus the debacle with the front office. Wilfork said he hoped a deal would get done and even said it would be a dream come true to play for a Florida team. Did he disrespect the organization? No. Mankins is still frustrated that no deal is even being considered, but the Pats are waiting till a new CBA is reached, it would be pointless to sign someone to a long term deal knowing absolutely nothing about a new CBA. I will be VERY surprised if he is not signed to a long term deal once a new CBA is reached.
 
Here is what it comes down to.

When a guard makes the best play he can make he opens a hole for a running back for an 8 yard gain that continues a drive.

When a OLB/DE makes the best play he can make he sacks the QB for a 10 yard loss with a strip sack that changes field position or possession.

When a CB makes the best play he can make he makes a pick 6 or conversely gives up 6 on a 50 yard pass for a TD.

When a LT does his job he prevents the other team OLB/DE from making a sack with a strip sack that is a game changing play.

The point is that guard play usually does not involve a direct big game changing play, that games between equally matched teams usually comes down to.

You have watched the last 6 years of the Patriots being a couple of plays away from winning 2 or 3 more Superbowls, and I ask you, did guard play have anything to do with making those key 4-5 plays a game that made the difference ?

No. If anything the (game we shall not speak of) against the Giants where was Mankins against Tuck, Strahan and Osi (I am not sure that Mankins is all that great in pass protection) ?

But a reciever that can catch one more ball would have (Reche Caldwell a number one reciever ?), a pash rush from the Patriots Defense would have (this has been the achilles heal the last 6 years and the number one need of the team), just making a couple of simple plays really here and there would have.

What this team has lacked the last 5-6 years is play making and players with the intagiables to make them. They can play with anybody and are obviously one of the best teams in the league, but the problem the last 6 years is not making (or making) 3-5 plays a game and the other team does, and that is it.

I don't see how spending 10 Million a year on one of the positions where it is least likely to make a game changing play makes any sense.

That's a very poor summary of each position's job.
 
You know, I love Logan and what he brings. Anyone who claims there was no difference in the offensive line once he came back is lying, blind or both. With that said, there comes a time when the whining, threatening to leave act wears thin for me. That time is here. I find it curious that when we all refect upon the play-off loss to the Jets, we cite Crumpler's dropped TD pass, Chung's bungled snap and Brady's over-all ineffectiveness. Anyone else remember Logan's stupid, unsportsmanlike conduct penalty which halted a potential scoring drive just before the end of the first half?

You want to use 1 unsportsmanlike penalty as part of an argument that Mankins may be more of a problem than a solution? Not buying it. Rodney would have never stuck around, and Vince would not be a NE Patriot today if cheap shotting was an absolute no-no with BB.

We need more guys like Mankins on this team. I had no problem with whatsoever with that personal foul by Mankins. First, it wasn't that blatant in the first place. Secondly, clearly Mankins was trying to lay down the law in a game where with the cheap-shot, trash talking Jets were starting to win the battle of intimidation. The very first play of the game one the their special teamers, after making Merriweather his b!tch, laughed in his face after throwing him around after the whistle, and that set the tone for the game IMO.
 
Looks like a tag and trade to me... sucks but thats what it looks like.
 
I don't know why people are worrying about the situation, Wilfork went through almost the exact same thing minus the debacle with the front office. Wilfork said he hoped a deal would get done and even said it would be a dream come true to play for a Florida team. Did he disrespect the organization? No. Mankins is still frustrated that no deal is even being considered, but the Pats are waiting till a new CBA is reached, it would be pointless to sign someone to a long term deal knowing absolutely nothing about a new CBA. I will be VERY surprised if he is not signed to a long term deal once a new CBA is reached.

I doubt Mankins wants to sign until theres a new CBA, he may become a free agent with a new CBA.
 
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