Do the Ryan's have Brady's number?

Bring back a top 5 ranked defense, allowing the Pats O to make mistakes will do wonders for this team. Yea, Rex is 3-2 against the Pats the last two seasons but what kind of teams have we put on the field? First year it was a post-injury Brady and a team clearly in the early stages of rebuilding. Who thought the Patriots would do as well as they did this season? The defense wasn't good even as much as they should sparks at times, they didn't have it. Give us this draft and BB's offseason to work in new schemes, Rex will be 0-2 against the Pats next season (heard it here first)


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PATRIOTSFANINPA said:

Maybe you should take over BOBs job and be Belichick's consultant,it appears to me that you think your plan would have won the game

Let's be honest here...no matter what the Patriots had devised in that game the Jets D would have countered it and stopped them...the Jets were not going to lose that game,it was in the cards and Ryan beat the Pats game plan with a massive thump.

Only Sanchez's pathetic passes to the turf instead of wide open receivers kept that game from being a 20+ point win

Next time it might change and BB and his staff plan and perform better.

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You have difficulties reading, my friend.

As I said, it was execution that gave them a lead.

They didn't have a lead, is that what you're arguing?

Yeah, if I was coach, I'd say, don't throw an interception, don't go for the fake punt, don't drop the ball in the end zone.

because if you do, the Jets will sit back and not allow you to throw.

Are you really this dense?

If the Patriots score 3 on the interception, if Alge catches that, and Chung doesn't have brain cramp, the Patriots are up 10-7 at the half.

Do you honestly think then the Jets come out and dare the Patriots to run?

Hell no.

Look at the 1st quarter when the Patriots weren't playing from behind. how did they move the ball?

Kid~Brady said:

I hate to say this but the 3 ONLY losses this year came from a Ryan style defense. I know Brady's had trouble with the Rex style defense in the past but he's been a real thorn in the side this season.

The Jets have beaten us 2 out of 3 games this season and even his brother's defense has made Brady look bad this past season. I know there were other components in the Cleveland game...(Hillis) but nonetheless, we took another loss to a Ryan style defense.

What makes their defenses so good against Brady? Any thoughts to this? I'm not trying to be negative but this concerns me a little I guess.

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brady had a 90 rating, 2 tds to 0 ints, and a decent game

the 3 turnovers by NE that game is the big thing

losing the turnover battle usually kills

They lost recently 45-3. Indicative of having someone's number?

Rex had a good defensive game plan, based on exploiting his strength (great corners) and the fact we don't have all outstanding WRs and running backs. That doesn't mean our offensive players haven't been effective, it means he could cover two receivers 1 on 1 and gamble on playing more coverage, less against the run.

Having said that, We still marched down the field with ease on the first two drives, mixing in runs with almost flawless passing. Had we got our 10-14 points, instead of momentum changing blunders, his "number" would have been another 45-3.

Belichick and the Ryans are all great defensive minds. Give them lots of time or reason (45-3) to study an opponent, they will find something that works. If they're lucky it will turn one game around.

If this was basketball, BB would come back with a game plan, beat them by twenty and the series would be tied 1-1. but it's not.

Someone that has your number doesn't get beat 45-3, nor get marched down the field the first two plays. He had a great game plan and the good fortune to have us screw up two drives that would have started another blowout.

Ratgini probably spent a year on that game plan. What else does he have to do beside wait for the delivery of his Jenny Craig meals?

Yes.

Sanchez and Ryan 3 wins
Brady and BB 2 wins

We were 14-3 and Rex Ryan accounts for 66.6% of our losses this season and another first round playoff exit. Pretty safe to say this is trouble for the future, especially with a 34 yo QB undergoing his 2nd surgery in 3 years.

AJY said:

Yes.

Sanchez and Ryan 3 wins
Brady and BB 2 wins

We were 14-3 and Rex Ryan accounts for 66.6% of our losses this season and another first round playoff exit. Pretty safe to say this is trouble for the future, especially with a 34 yo QB undergoing his 2nd surgery in 3 years.

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Surprise, surprise, look who is back: the Jets fan who masquerades on this forum as a Patriots fan.


For anyone that doubts me, check the first few pages of this thread:
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/702271-stopping-jets-offense.html


Where's Shmessy? I was under the impression that you weren't going to allow AJY to post here anymore unless he apologized to everybody here for fraudulently pretending to be a Patriots fan and admitting the truth - that he is a Jets fan?


If anybody doubts me, just click on AJY's name and check out the nature and timing of his comments.

I don't think they have Brady's number, but Brady does struggle against them. To make life very hard for Brady all you have to do is get a decent pressure up the middle and disguise your coverage

I don't remember the Week 2 game very clearly, but in this last loss against the Jets, we were moving the ball very well in the first two drives against their defense. Ryan and his staff made the correct adjustments and took away the middle of the field with 4-5 zone players and let Revis/Cromartie take on the receivers outside essentially man-to-man.

The best way to attack these soft zones (Cover 2/Cover 3) is to run the ball in between the tackles. This is something the Patriots coaches did not realize or didn't want to do until too late in the game. Like AndyJohnson posted earlier, it's hard for coaches to take the ball out of their best offensive player's hands (Brady) and give it to BJGE or Woodhead. But this is something that needs to be done to win games - especially in a playoff atmosphere.

The Jets and the 'Rex Ryan' defense is known for various blitz schemes and getting after the QB. However, Ryan speculated correctly that the best way to stop the Patriots offense is to completely take away the intermediate passing game and the middle of the field. He did this, in spite of his typical blitzing philosophy. I don't say this often (no one says this often), but the Patriots were flat-out out-coached. Never mind the INT, dropped TD, and botched fake-punt; a 14-3 score at half-time is not overwhelming. The Patriots made their adjustments too late.

patriotscpfc said:

Without wanting to overcongratulate the Jets, how do you beat the gameplan that Rex employed Sunday?
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We needed to run the ball early with Benny and we didn't.

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Yeah, you answered your own question there one way. Another way is to do the plays we had success with on the first two drives. They were awesome - and produced 3 points. Then there was the 4th quarter scoring drive that as much as you want to say 'garbage time' included an uncoverable TD to Branch.

Fencer said:

1. Run against that swarm of DBs.

2. Go 3 TE with Welker and Woodhead, and watch Ryan's head explode as he decides which personnel to counter with.

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Or in #2 sub in Edelman for Algernon.

Sivy said:

I love the attention span of some fans..Remember 45-3?

Do people watch entire games or do they just see the final score? Had Crump held on to that pass, the entire flow of the game would have changed.

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That game was an anomaly. If you look at all the other games versus Rex's defense, they all show a consistent trend.

PATRIOTSFANINPA said:

Maybe you should take over BOBs job and be Belichick's consultant,it appears to me that you think your plan would have won the game

Let's be honest here...no matter what the Patriots had devised in that game the Jets D would have countered it and stopped them...the Jets were not going to lose that game,it was in the cards and Ryan beat the Pats game plan with a massive thump.

Only Sanchez's pathetic passes to the turf instead of wide open receivers kept that game from being a 20+ point win

Next time it might change and BB and his staff plan and perform better.

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Sorry but I have to diagree. Football is ALOT like combat. You have one plan going in but you have to be ready to switch gears quickly. The reason I am still alive is that while in Afganistan I would often change our tactics in the face of the enemy. I needed to keep them guessing. Attack when they thought we would fall back. Fallback and attack from a different position when they thought we would go straight in.

The problem that I see is that this offense only knows one thing. Tom passing the ball. If the Pats came out and ran the ball Ryan would be forced to make changes quickly. Our OC (BOB) is in over his head. Have you looked at his experience. There is a huge difference between college football and the pros.

Last year we got rid of Pees becuase he was clueless. BOB is clueless and we need an experienced OC. This team needs to go back to a balanced attack. Brady has the records its time to go back to winning the SB.

The D does not Blitz. We could use Zone blitzes and we should also consider going to 4-3 on the fly.

This just my take.

NEBG said:

LOL, hold on to 45-3 all you want, it's all you've got. It means nothing. But, if it helps you get through the day, keep that memory alive.

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You could say that the whole season means nothing as far as 2010 and the SB are concerned.. Every win...Every loss

But there is nothing wrong with going back and looking at each game and taking somthing away from it..

Thats why the professionals look at film!

As far as THIS thread is concerned I think its very relevent.. You can't call out our QB and team and say the jets have their number... when the two wins the Jets had came on either side of a 45-3 LOSS!

As far as I am concerned.... 45-3 the Jets were out-coached! Our most recent loss... we were out played! Just watch the game...

condon84 said:

That game was an anomaly. If you look at all the other games versus Rex's defense, they all show a consistent trend.

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True. We arent 6-7 Tds better than the Jets, thats just life, we arent. Usually when we play the Jets, its a close loss or a 1-2 TD score more than them in a win.

Maybe I wasn't right in asking if they have Brady's number but Rexy sure knows how to give Brady fits and confuse him. I have to give him credit for that. I havent seen Brady look so confused in a long time. He had no clue where the pressure was coming from and started getting frustrated.

condon84 said:

That game was an anomaly. If you look at all the other games versus Rex's defense, they all show a consistent trend.

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Uh-huh. The Patriots are 6-1 against the Ravens, and 2-3 against the Jets.

Do you even know what the word anomaly means?

Kid~Brady said:

True. We arent 6-7 Tds better than the Jets, thats just life, we arent. Usually when we play the Jets, its a close loss or a 1-2 TD score more than them in a win.

Maybe I wasn't right in asking if they have Brady's number but Rexy sure knows how to give Brady fits and confuse him. I have to give him credit for that. I havent seen Brady look so confused in a long time. He had no clue where the pressure was coming from and started getting frustrated.

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You were watching a different game than I was. That's for sure. The pressure wasn't confusing Brady, he just couldn't throw into the coverages.

Brady was holding the ball for a long time, hell the Jets didn't even blitz him much, a couple DBs off the edge a few times, that's it. Most of the time those were coverage sacks. Brady had plenty of time to throw the ball.

Guess what, when the defense goes light and sends so many men into the zones, you have options. Like abandoning the empty set. The Jaguars did the same thing to Brady in the playoffs a few years back.

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You were watching a different game than I was. That's for sure. The pressure wasn't confusing Brady, he just couldn't throw into the coverages.

Brady was holding the ball for a long time, hell the Jets didn't even blitz him much, a couple DBs off the edge a few times, that's it. Most of the time those were coverage sacks. Brady had plenty of time to throw the ball.

Guess what, when the defense goes light and sends so many men into the zones, you have options. Like abandoning the empty set. The Jaguars did the same thing to Brady in the playoffs a few years back.

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Could be, but either way Brady struggles with this style of defense and it can be cause for concern. You can't just look at one game where we dismantled them and use that as a measuring stick, it was one game.

Lets beat the Jets 2 times straight, at this point lets just beat the jets more times then they beat us and I'll be happy. They are up by 1 game.

Ryan and Ratgini dream about the Patriots more than they dream about sex (even foot sex). Ryan even admits he plans for the Patriots.

With two coaches in the league obsessed with game planning against our team all year, we went 14-2 with a team full of rookies, 2nd year players and street free agents and beat one of those coaches 45-3 in a rematch.

I can live with that.

RayClay said:

Ryan and Ratgini dream about the Patriots more than they dream about sex (even foot sex). Ryan even admits he plans for the Patriots.

With two coaches in the league obsessed with game planning against our team all year, we went 14-2 with a team full of rookies, 2nd year players and street free agents and beat one of those coaches 45-3 in a rematch.

I can live with that.

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I can agree with this, I loved this season. I couldnt complain as I mentioned in the other thread. This was really a transition season and we went 14-2. We have next year. We'll be back.

And yes, I'm sure they do plan for us, they have to but I have to give them credit because they have seemed to plan the best against our team.

Kid~Brady said:

Could be, but either way Brady struggles with this style of defense and it can be cause for concern. You can't just look at one game where we dismantled them and use that as a measuring stick, it was one game.

Lets beat the Jets 2 times straight, at this point lets just beat the jets more times then they beat us and I'll be happy. They are up by 1 game.

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Like I said, it's not like Brady hasn't faced this kind of defense multiple times. You think Ryan is the first to use it? In past years, the Patriots have faced this same type of defense and ripped it apart.