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Asking for your support
 

Vote.

  • Yes.

    Votes: 33 30.8%
  • He's not as effective as he once was, but he's still a good playoff QB.

    Votes: 24 22.4%
  • No.

    Votes: 50 46.7%

  • Total voters
    107
  • Poll closed .
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straw man, no one is putting 100% of the blame on Brady.

I believe DaBruinz was pointing out receivers have to catch the ball and run correct routes with situational awareness. Blockers have to make sure the QB isn't drilled 6 or more times a game.

Brady's bad throw resulting in an INT cost them nothing. He is not a runner, so if the receivers are blanketed what should he do? Most of those sacks were coverage sacks, not pressure sacks. The man could be absolute zero solid ice in the pocket and still not have a much better performance. Chokers are defined by poor decisions when they have choices, not by forgettable play when there are no real choices.

Any QB in the game short of Vick, who would likely see plenty of open receivers because he is not a passer, would have had issues the way that game panned out because the only option was running the ball and Brady is not a running QB. The same is true of the performance in SB 42 against the Giants.

In the end, Brady threw for almost 300 yard with an 89 rating and a single pick. In what world is that an awful game for a QB? Not perfect, but certainly not awful. He left plays on the field just as many others did. As the leader of the offense, he will obviously take responsibility for it not performing, but he did not put up that terrible a game against a good defense.
 
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None of those 44 other guys are the highest paid player in NFL history. It's Brady's job to put the team on his shoulders, and he didn't. Nobody's putting 100% of the blame on Brady, but he deserves plenty.

Yup. This. For sure.
 
No.

Granted he had a bad game, but was it his fault we couldn't get any pressure? Was it his fault Chung botched the fake punt? Was it his fault Crumpler dropped the TD and all the other drops we had on the day?
 
No.

Granted he had a bad game, but was it his fault we couldn't get any pressure? Was it his fault Chung botched the fake punt? Was it his fault Crumpler dropped the TD and all the other drops we had on the day?

I was his fault the offense chewed off 7 minutes of clock when they were down by two scores. Where was the fire he had during the Pitt game?

I didn't see ONE player yelling at the team to get going.
 
To the OP,

You need to be biatch slapped for even asking this question.
 
...my only request to the mods is to keep the Trade Brady Thread locked...for the love of god keep it locked....
 
"Trade Brady Thread?"

Holy crap guys, take a farkin valium.

This team lost. When "Brady was winning," this team won. The most important position in all of sports is still one of many positions.

The other team still wants to win just as much as your guys do. Sometimes, arguably, more.

This team was not as good as the Jets when it counted.

You have to fix what you can identify. "Brady has become a playoff choker" is not one of them, because you can't prove the assertion, you can't address the behavior ("Don't choke!!!"), and you're very unlikely to do better by eliminating the variable producing the putative result (i.e., "trade Brady.")

I'm thinkin' yer a few years early with those threads, although I do have it on good authority that the world ends on Dec. 21, 2012 -- so you could spend your time getting right with God rather than posting on a Patsfans board about far more speculative considerations.
 
Tom's not a choker. Chokers are guys who make mindless foolish plays/non-plays that kill their team. What I have noticed is how Brady's demeanor and personna go so quiet. That O needed a yelling, headbutting, hurry up offense Tom Brady to get them going yesterday. Never happened. Brady was quiet and sat on the bench. That is what's most troubling to me.
 
It is not Brady's fault that most of our D Line is on IR and our OLB's are the worst in football and generate next to no pressure on opposing QB's. It's not Brady's fault that Crumpler dropped a TD pass and cost our youngsters their confidence.

Of the elite 8 teams in this year's playoffs, our defense was probably the second worst.

Offense can't win championships (see the 2007 season for the most painful example ever of this fact), defense wins championships and our defense was horrid most of the season.

However IMO this season was the single greatest defensive coaching job by BB in the histopry of the Patriots.
 
Brady's bad throw resulting in an INT cost them nothing.

Cost them nothing? Really? If that interception had not been thrown, do you think things would have played out the same?
 
Right now, 52 voters say he's a choker or he's not as effective as he once was, compared to 36 saying he's not a choker.
 
I was his fault the offense chewed off 7 minutes of clock when they were down by two scores.

God d%#*!@t, I can't believe what I was witnessing. It was so fu--ing surreal - Brady morphing into McNabb & Belichick into Reid. Good thing I'm not a Conspiracist or my head would explode.
 
Brady's on a 3-game playoff losing streak, and he's looked horrible in two of those three losses. Has he become a choker?

You shouldn't have made this poll "anonymous." If people are calling him a choker, they should have to say it in the open. I voted "No."
 
Right now, 52 voters say he's a choker or he's not as effective as he once was, compared to 36 saying he's not a choker.

The question is wrong. Has he not met expectations (which some would define as choking) in the last 2 (home) playoff games? I think the answer has to be yes. But you'd be hard pressed to convince even a nut that someone with 3 rings is a choker.
 
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Right now, 52 voters say he's a choker or he's not as effective as he once was, compared to 36 saying he's not a choker.

This is a stupid thread. He's a three-time Super Bowl winner, likely MVP, first-ballot HOF lock, and you have the temerity to call him a "choker" or even raise the question? Against New Jersey yesterday he was 29-45 for 299 yards, two touchdowns and one pick. Several balls were dropped. The Patriots outgained the Jets and had 10 minutes more time of possession. A football team is more than just the quarterback. Suggesting that Brady has become a playoff "choker" indicates how very little you really know about the game.
 
The question is wrong, had he not met expectations (which some would define as choking) in the last 2 (home) playoff games? I think the answer has to be yes. But you'd be hard pressed to convine even a nut that someone with 3 rings is a choker.

Well, I used the present perfect tense, and the verb "to become" for a reason. The question therefore assumes that he wasn't a choker, and inquires as to whether that aspect of his game has changed.
 
This is a stupid thread.
Ad hominem.

He's a three-time Super Bowl winner,
Irrelevant to yesterday's performance.

likely MVP
Irrelevant to yesterday's performance.

, first-ballot HOF lock,
Irrelevant to yesterday's performance.

Ad hominem.

raise the question?
It's a discussion board.

Against New Jersey yesterday he was 29-45 for 299 yards, two touchdowns and one pick.
Numbers aren't the sole determinant of quarterback effectiveness. In fact, when Manning vs. Brady is discussed on this board, they matter much less than winning games, which Brady didn't do yesterday.

Several balls were dropped.
And several were caught. So what?

The Patriots outgained the Jets and had 10 minutes more time of possession.
Vague, mostly irrelevant, and to the extent the comment is relevant, it makes Brady look even worse.

A football team is more than just the quarterback.
Brilliant insight.

how very little you really know about the game.
And another ad hominem.

:cool:
 
Ad hominem.

Irrelevant to yesterday's performance.

Irrelevant to yesterday's performance.

Irrelevant to yesterday's performance.

Ad hominem.

It's a discussion board.

Numbers aren't the sole determinant of quarterback effectiveness. In fact, when Manning vs. Brady is discussed on this board, they matter much less than winning games, which Brady didn't do yesterday.

And several were caught. So what?

Vague, mostly irrelevant, and to the extent the comment is relevant, it makes Brady look even worse.

Brilliant insight.

And another ad hominem.

:cool:

What's YOUR "brilliant insight" other than suggesting that because the Patriots have lost their last three playoff games, it's Brady's fault? You're a tool.
 
Ad hominem.

And, if you don't like the thread, I encourage you not to participate in it.

Screw your "ad hominem" b.s. I encourage you to stop cluttering this message board with moronic referendums on star players. Brady, Woodhead -- who do you want to skewer next? Vince Wilfork? Mankins? McCourty?
 
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